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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:16:01 PM EDT
[#1]
Gas stations are paying $15/hr to do essentially nothing. Unemployment was $18/hr. And you expect qualified folks to take $13?
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:16:29 PM EDT
[#2]
A good welder makes way more than that.
A private ship welder here is going to cost you $100 an hour. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:17:12 PM EDT
[#3]
That's low starting pay for a qualified welder.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:17:38 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted: Wife works HR and is having a massive problem filling welder/fitter positions. They have trained on the job for years, but that may be over as the the last trainee took 2 years to get up to speed and then quit because he can’t have painted nails on the job. Up to $35 an hour max, fair promotions. One guy started at $13 and within a year was at $25 because he learned so much so fast. 5 paid sick days per year after 90 days 2 weeks of vacation time per year as well after 1 year 3 weeks after 5 years 4 weeks after 15 years So basically 5 weeks of paid time off after 15 years. 401k with great match. Medical, dental, and life insurance, LI is employer paid and medical and dental is 60% covered by the company. Vehicles are provided to get to job sites $100 a year tool allowance 40-50% travel is possible (can also work locally most of the year, just depends) and your hotel is paid as well as a $35 dollar per day per diem as well as an extra dollar per hour when traveling. All the overtime you can handle if you want it. They can’t find a soul who’s qualified. Welder / fitters in Ohio must be making bank everywhere else. After everything I've heard about "learn to weld and you're set" that $35/hr had better be for a trainee who knows nothing about welding. 
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:18:33 PM EDT
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Because $35/hr. is very close to the going rate for field welders right now open shop in the OH to South East region for many open shop contractors, so to say you start someone at less than that and can't figure it out means you aren't paying attention to the massive inflation to field wages in the past year for open shop jobs. In the Mid-US to South East the wages for in the field have inflated $5 to $6/hr. with per diem varying based on if they supply rooms.
ETA: $35/day per diem is also completely horrible |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:19:18 PM EDT
[#6]
Why no painted nails? Customer interaction concerns or chemical issues?
Kharn |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:19:18 PM EDT
[#7]
A Weldor/Fitter at top pay after 4 years should be above $40. That Vac/Sick is meh as is the tool allowance. Uniforms/Boots? They need to look @ Peers wage schedules.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:19:27 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A good welder makes way more than that. A private ship welder here is going to cost you $100 an hour. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:20:28 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A good welder makes way more than that. A private ship welder here is going to cost you $100 an hour. Yep. A lot of the good welders in my area go pipeline or aerospace. Both make bank. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:20:54 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why no painted nails? Customer interaction concerns or chemical issues? Kharn |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:20:55 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: After everything I've heard about "learn to weld and you're set" that $35/hr had better be for a trainee who knows nothing about welding. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/fVw58iP-49.gif You can make $15 an hour working fast-food and when you get fired for not showing up to work you can just go work at a different fast-food joint. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:21:26 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gas stations are paying $15/hr to do essentially nothing. Unemployment was $18/hr. And you expect qualified folks to take $13? Yup. A competent welder makes far more than that. I guess it depends were that is but here you ain't filling that with someone you would actually want doing the job. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:21:52 PM EDT
[#13]
We're paying forklift drivers like $18/hour and salaried people OT to unpack trucks on weekends.
The "up to $35/hour" and at 15 years getting 4 weeks of vacation with shitty dental is lame. Especially with travel. Can't afford child support when my wife leaves me for someone that was actually home (my home even  ). |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:22:37 PM EDT
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Traveling and staying out of town in motels whenever, wherever the company sends you...that takes a special kind of guy IMO and that is going to make it even harder to fill the position.
Over a decade ago I knew guys doing that kind of job building scoreboards for college and NFL and they made over 50 an hour even then. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:23:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: Wife works HR and is having a massive problem filling welder/fitter positions. They have trained on the job for years, but that may be over as the the last trainee took 2 years to get up to speed and then quit because he can’t have painted nails on the job. Up to $35 an hour max, fair promotions. One guy started at $13 and within a year was at $25 because he learned so much so fast. 5 paid sick days per year after 90 days 2 weeks of vacation time per year as well after 1 year 3 weeks after 5 years 4 weeks after 15 years So basically 5 weeks of paid time off after 15 years. 401k with great match. Medical, dental, and life insurance, LI is employer paid and medical and dental is 60% covered by the company. Vehicles are provided to get to job sites $100 a year tool allowance 40-50% travel is possible (can also work locally most of the year, just depends) and your hotel is paid as well as a $35 dollar per day per diem as well as an extra dollar per hour when traveling. All the overtime you can handle if you want it. They can’t find a soul who’s qualified. Welder / fitters in Ohio must be making bank everywhere else. Let’s see Top end pay is way too low Training pay is too low by half And that is for a guy working an 8hr shift and then going home, you are asking for the guy to be away from the wife and kids for at least 2 weeks of every month. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:24:07 PM EDT
[#16]
Started at a fab shop as a helper/tacker in the poor south (as they say) in 1990 at $15. Your pay scale sucks. I now manage some high end welders, we pay very well. Those that can pass a drug test, 99% or close to it on multiple weld test destructive and non destructive. Weld high nickel alloys like hastalloy, incanel, monel and be able to supervice others by setting the machine etc...Submerged arc welding on plates up to 5x8' for 40' wide pieces. Paid very well, very good benefits, AND best of all an air conditioned shop 95% of the time.
Guarantee you none of those guys started at $13 when they first got into welding or just a fitter helper/tacker. We currently pay more than $15 to sweep up up the shop floor, empty the trash cans, and pick up miscellanous junk. In Louisiana, not exactly a high pay state. Basically a gofer. Go for this go for that. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:24:09 PM EDT
[#17]
Everything is too low: Pay, per diem, tool allowance, etc.
No wonder no one is biting. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:24:32 PM EDT
[#18]
No vacation for a year then only 2 weeks is pretty shitty in addition to what has already been mentioned. I'm a welder that now works in healthcare administration.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:25:34 PM EDT
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Hold on guys, I think I understand what is going on here: management has some sort of Brilliant Plan, but they can't implement it if things are going well. So they are trying to hire some methed out corpse who will take that insult of a job and when the inevitable disaster strikes the Brilliant Plan can be implemented.
Or management is just insane. That works too. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:25:51 PM EDT
[#20]
$35 per diem is 1/2 what it should be.
If no overtime after 8, it's too cheap. If no OT on Saturday/ Double time on Sunday, it's too cheap. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:26:11 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let’s see Top end pay is way too low Training pay is too low by half And that is for a guy working an 8hr shift and then going home, you are asking for the guy to be away from the wife and kids for at least 2 weeks of every month. Let's not forget the expectation that someone will stay with the job for over 15 years. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:26:58 PM EDT
[#22]
They're use to working in Oil and Gas making $100 an hour in E Ohio.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:27:38 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted: Wife works HR and is having a massive problem filling welder/fitter positions. They have trained on the job for years, but that may be over as the the last trainee took 2 years to get up to speed and then quit because he can’t have painted nails on the job. Why does it matter what color nails they have?  Up to $35 an hour max, fair promotions. One guy started at $13 and within a year was at $25 because he learned so much so fast. Pretty low pay for welder/fitter. 5 paid sick days per year after 90 days 2 weeks of vacation time per year as well after 1 year 3 weeks after 5 years 4 weeks after 15 years Vacation time isn't that attractive. Realisticly most aren't going to be planning on staying there 5-15+ years, especially with sub-par pay, so at best they're offering 2 weeks after a year. So basically 5 weeks of paid time off after 15 years. 401k with great match. What constitutes "great match"? Medical, dental, and life insurance, LI is employer paid and medical and dental is 60% covered by the company. Vehicles are provided to get to job sites $100 a year tool allowance $100 doesn't go far at all on tools and clothing. Hell $100 a year just for a boot allowance would be ok. 40-50% travel is possible (can also work locally most of the year, just depends) and your hotel is paid as well as a $35 dollar per day per diem as well as an extra dollar per hour when traveling. Weak per diem and an extra $1 doesn't mean much. All the overtime you can handle if you want it. They can’t find a soul who’s qualified. Welder / fitters in Ohio must be making bank everywhere else. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:28:02 PM EDT
[#24]
The common rate to have your car worked on by a mechanic is around $90-$100 per hour labor. This company is offering $13 an hour pay.
I can make $15 with no experience and on the job training, flipping burgers 10 minutes from house, inside of comfortable building and out of the weather. Literally saw it on a sign yesterday, plus a $500 sign on bonus. This company is having trouble getting employees, because nobody can afford to work there. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:28:19 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A good welder makes way more than that. A private ship welder here is going to cost you $100 an hour. That’s a pretty good wage for being in Somalia. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:28:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:29:17 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A good welder makes way more than that. A private ship welder here is going to cost you $100 an hour. Yep. That pays a joke. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:29:24 PM EDT
[#28]
The welding program at the school I'm attending is turning guys out making $25+/hr and they don't have to deal with moving to Ohio. That pay scale needs a serious look.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:29:51 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's low starting pay for a qualified welder. You could promise someone $100 an hour raise i. T he next year and you will have ZERO takers starting at $13hr. That’s under fast food employee level pay. You’ll keep it unfilled. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:30:16 PM EDT
[#30]
Better to hire at $20-25 hr and get rid of the slackers. It’s a game of numbers and your numbers need increasing. In the long run the unfilled jobs will also be marginal in importance. Good luck.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:31:41 PM EDT
[#31]
A whole 100 dollars a year tool allowance
 13 dollars an hour starting to a whole 35 an hour max?
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:33:13 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s a pretty good wage for being in Somalia. Hazardous pay. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:33:29 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: Wife works HR and is having a massive problem filling welder/fitter positions. They have trained on the job for years, but that may be over as the the last trainee took 2 years to get up to speed and then quit because he can’t have painted nails on the job. Up to $35 an hour max, fair promotions. One guy started at $13 and within a year was at $25 because he learned so much so fast. 5 paid sick days per year after 90 days 2 weeks of vacation time per year as well after 1 year 3 weeks after 5 years 4 weeks after 15 years So basically 5 weeks of paid time off after 15 years. 401k with great match. Medical, dental, and life insurance, LI is employer paid and medical and dental is 60% covered by the company. Vehicles are provided to get to job sites $100 a year tool allowance 40-50% travel is possible (can also work locally most of the year, just depends) and your hotel is paid as well as a $35 dollar per day per diem as well as an extra dollar per hour when traveling. All the overtime you can handle if you want it. They can’t find a soul who’s qualified. Welder / fitters in Ohio must be making bank everywhere else. Is this a troll thread? |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:33:38 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A whole 100 dollars a year tool allowance The boss ain’t paying for box cutter blades and sharpie markers! |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:34:53 PM EDT
[#35]
Low pay and the travel would be an instant pass for a lot of people.
When I worked construction in the early '90s the welders/fitters were making more than that. My wife's plant can't get any applicants for a maintenance technician position. $30 an hour plus good benefits. 3rd shift differential and no travel. Good, reputable company. They have been getting production people from nearby plants because they are a better place to work and pay more but maintenance people are hard to come by for some reason. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:35:06 PM EDT
[#36]
Quoted: Wife works HR and is having a massive problem filling welder/fitter positions. They have trained on the job for years, but that may be over as the the last trainee took 2 years to get up to speed and then quit because he can’t have painted nails on the job. Up to $35 an hour max, fair promotions. One guy started at $13 and within a year was at $25 because he learned so much so fast. 5 paid sick days per year after 90 days 2 weeks of vacation time per year as well after 1 year 3 weeks after 5 years 4 weeks after 15 years So basically 5 weeks of paid time off after 15 years. 401k with great match. Medical, dental, and life insurance, LI is employer paid and medical and dental is 60% covered by the company. Vehicles are provided to get to job sites $100 a year tool allowance 40-50% travel is possible (can also work locally most of the year, just depends) and your hotel is paid as well as a $35 dollar per day per diem as well as an extra dollar per hour when traveling. All the overtime you can handle if you want it. They can’t find a soul who’s qualified. Welder / fitters in Ohio must be making bank everywhere else. I'm not a welder. But at 3 years experience, I was accruing ~5-6 weeks vacation for that year. And why would anyone want to weld at 13 an hour? Especially when there is at least some cost on you. You can flip burgers around here for 15-18 and not have to deal with that and a more consistent schedule that has you closer to home. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:36:35 PM EDT
[#37]
Why would anyone start at $13 an hour doing actual work when they can make $15 an hour at Toxic Smell making shitty tacos and doing bong rips for Jesus?
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:38:09 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this a troll thread? Probably. Doubt OP returns. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:39:02 PM EDT
[#39]
We used to hire welders 10 years ago to start @ $15, but turnover was really high and most of those had very questionable paperwork
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:39:28 PM EDT
[#40]
LOL. It's not 1985 anymore.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:40:25 PM EDT
[#41]
Supermarkets here START at $18/hr and you can work the graveyard shift stocking shelves whilst listening to music on headphones.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:41:30 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this a troll thread? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wife works HR and is having a massive problem filling welder/fitter positions. They have trained on the job for years, but that may be over as the the last trainee took 2 years to get up to speed and then quit because he can’t have painted nails on the job. Up to $35 an hour max, fair promotions. One guy started at $13 and within a year was at $25 because he learned so much so fast. 5 paid sick days per year after 90 days 2 weeks of vacation time per year as well after 1 year 3 weeks after 5 years 4 weeks after 15 years So basically 5 weeks of paid time off after 15 years. 401k with great match. Medical, dental, and life insurance, LI is employer paid and medical and dental is 60% covered by the company. Vehicles are provided to get to job sites $100 a year tool allowance 40-50% travel is possible (can also work locally most of the year, just depends) and your hotel is paid as well as a $35 dollar per day per diem as well as an extra dollar per hour when traveling. All the overtime you can handle if you want it. They can’t find a soul who’s qualified. Welder / fitters in Ohio must be making bank everywhere else. Is this a troll thread? No, there’s a lot of places that think they can compete with marginally skilled labor pools for skilled technical positions. And treat those employees with contempt. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:42:56 PM EDT
[#43]
Am I reading this right that the starting wage would be <$20/hr?
I'm in extremely rural ohio and that's a laughable starting wage for anything other than completely unskilled labor. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:44:32 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, there's a lot of places that think they can compete with marginally skilled labor pools for skilled technical positions. And treat those employees with contempt. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:44:33 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Supermarkets here START at $18/hr and you can work the graveyard shift stocking shelves whilst listening to music on headphones. With painted nails. It sounds like this outfit is demanding a middle class employee with middle class values. Well, there’s a price tag on that. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:45:31 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What...you don't want to work skilled labor for $27K a year? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, there's a lot of places that think they can compete with marginally skilled labor pools for skilled technical positions. And treat those employees with contempt. Not for the whole year.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:45:47 PM EDT
[#47]
That seems kind of low or at least not great for a good welder. They'd be better off doing their own biz and making more.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:46:25 PM EDT
[#48]
My company has had a hell of a time hiring for basically no skills required positions that start at 19/hr full time with full benefits and two or three weeks vacation to start. The positions are in clean air conditioned work areas and is simply not hard work.
One guy started and missed 15 days in the first month, and before he could be terminated, he just quit coming in. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:47:57 PM EDT
[#49]
Walmart here pays $18.50/hr and you want a welder to start at $13/hr? That’s $26,000 a year.
If you double it you might get some applicants. Maybe. |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 3:48:09 PM EDT
[#50]
I think it’s rather absurd to think that all welding jobs are equal.
How could a company manage to do something like produce affordable utility trailers if they had to pay the same as someone welding power plant piping? It couldn’t be done. |
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