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Posted: 4/19/2022 6:59:11 PM EDT
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In.
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:00:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:01:00 PM EDT
[#3]
Interesting.
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:01:13 PM EDT
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I wonder how much these payoffs are. They must be YUGE
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:01:46 PM EDT
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My gut feel says this will be a failure and in <10 years we will be looking for a replacement.
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:02:03 PM EDT
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want
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:02:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how much these payoffs are. They must be YUGE Fuckin' A man. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:03:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: I wonder how much these payoffs are. They must be YUGE 10% |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:04:01 PM EDT
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I kinda want an MPX but I’m afraid sig will drop them in a few years like everything else.
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:04:02 PM EDT
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I think the cool but weird ammo is going to kill this program in the long run. It is too different from what everyone else is tooled up to produce. No doubt in my mind that if we designed the AR today it would be in a 6/6.5 caliber, but probably something more akin to a 6ARC or 6.5G. New ammo tech that still carries like an intermediate cartridge but blurs the line with battle rifle like performance down range.
I think we would be smart to start looking at newer calibers in our current platforms but not steel headed cases. Even with the amazing pressures they can achieve. NATO isn’t going to follow us down the caliber rabbit hole like they did with the 7.62 when they had a perfectly good caliber and weapon in the FAL and 280 Brit. -Mike |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:04:03 PM EDT
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Their reps gave the best blow jobs.
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:05:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how much these payoffs are. They must be YUGE Probably not needed when the competition was a bullpup, and a cased telescope design. Both are too European and would never been adopted by Americans. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:06:37 PM EDT
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Why are we going back to a battle rifle?
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:07:53 PM EDT
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Joglee thread?
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:08:03 PM EDT
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I am sure SIG will get to the MPX conversion kits after this contract
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:09:43 PM EDT
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i bet that it will get dropped. . .
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:09:49 PM EDT
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Will we ever see commercial ammo loaded to the full 80k psi spec?
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:10:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the cool but weird ammo is going to kill this program in the long run. It is too different from what everyone else is tooled up to produce. No doubt in my mind that if we designed the AR today it would be in a 6/6.5 caliber, but probably something more akin to a 6ARC or 6.5G. New ammo tech that still carries like an intermediate cartridge but blurs the line with battle rifle like performance down range. I think we would be smart to start looking at newer calibers in our current platforms but not steel headed cases. Even with the amazing pressures they can achieve. NATO isn’t going to follow us down the caliber rabbit hole like they did with the 7.62 when they had a perfectly good caliber and weapon in the FAL and 280 Brit. -Mike It can shoot regular ammo too… Brass cased 277 |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:11:38 PM EDT
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lets gooooo
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:12:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:12:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are we going back to a battle rifle? To kill Chinese at long range. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:12:57 PM EDT
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No way big green will depart from 5.56.
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:13:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how much these payoffs are. They must be YUGE it seems Sig is really really good at govt lobbying. incredibly good. no other mfr even comes close to Sig's govt marketing & lobbying corp. They are slick. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:14:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think the cool but weird ammo is going to kill this program in the long run. It is too different from what everyone else is tooled up to produce. No doubt in my mind that if we designed the AR today it would be in a 6/6.5 caliber, but probably something more akin to a 6ARC or 6.5G. New ammo tech that still carries like an intermediate cartridge but blurs the line with battle rifle like performance down range. I think we would be smart to start looking at newer calibers in our current platforms but not steel headed cases. Even with the amazing pressures they can achieve. NATO isn’t going to follow us down the caliber rabbit hole like they did with the 7.62 when they had a perfectly good caliber and weapon in the FAL and 280 Brit. -Mike It can shoot regular ammo too… Brass cased 277 Sure, at 250 fps slower velocities. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:14:31 PM EDT
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Is this why @narphenal left ARFCOM for a while?
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:14:58 PM EDT
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As usual, @Narphenal is on the cutting edge.
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:15:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: it seems Sig is really really good at govt lobbying. incredibly good. no other mfr even comes close to Sig's govt marketing & lobbying corp. They are slick. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder how much these payoffs are. They must be YUGE it seems Sig is really really good at govt lobbying. incredibly good. no other mfr even comes close to Sig's govt marketing & lobbying corp. They are slick. This. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:15:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryInteresting, they wouldn't see the gains in performance obviously… but I would expect a much easier sell to Allies. -Mike |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:16:33 PM EDT
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I foresee some casehead separations and unreliable function with the high chamber pressure in extraction and cycling with various length gas systems.
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:16:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this why @narphenal left ARFCOM for a while? He was a prophet. He told you all it was better than the AR15 and some of you didn't listen. Now here is the proof. Will everyone now fall in line with how wonderful Tay Tay is? |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:16:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: it seems Sig is really really good at govt lobbying. incredibly good. no other mfr even comes close to Sig's govt marketing & lobbying corp. They are slick. I mean the SPEAR is better than the competition IMO |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:17:51 PM EDT
[#32]
Nice
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:18:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I kinda want an MPX but I’m afraid sig will drop them in a few years like everything else. Get one. You will love it. Even if they drop it, they commit to repairs and warranty anyhow. Love mine. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:18:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting, they wouldn't see the gains in performance obviously but I would expect a much easier sell to Allies. -Mike Currently OOS https://www.sigsauer.com/accubond-277-sig-fury-hybrid.html |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:19:17 PM EDT
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I feel like this isn’t going to go anywhere and will die before it gets off the ground. It’s a cool concept, but the rifle is massive and heavy, and NATO and our Allie’s likely won’t follow us into this change. I bet it’ll be gone in 10 years max
A cartridge like the 224 Valkyrie necked up to 6mm would be interesting as a 556 replacement, and with 80-90gr bullets the armor penetration should be good, while keeping weight and cost down |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:21:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting, they wouldn't see the gains in performance obviously but I would expect a much easier sell to Allies. -Mike Currently OOS https://www.sigsauer.com/accubond-277-sig-fury-hybrid.html Sig likes to develop products that never really come in stock. Although at that price point the profit might be enough to keep their attention for a while. -Mike |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:22:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I foresee some casehead separations and unreliable function with the high chamber pressure in extraction and cycling with various length gas systems. That's the whole reason for the hybrid case. The high strength steel casehead doesn't swell under high pressure, yet the brass front half is ductile to stretch within a safe headspace range to prevent case head seperation and difficult extraction. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:23:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I feel like this isn’t going to go anywhere and will die before it gets off the ground. It’s a cool concept, but the rifle is massive and heavy, and NATO and our Allie’s likely won’t follow us into this change. I bet it’ll be gone in 10 years max A cartridge like the 224 Valkyrie necked up to 6mm would be interesting as a 556 replacement, and with 80-90gr bullets the armor penetration should be good, while keeping weight and cost down I'm glad someone else thinks a 6mm Valkyrie would be ideal. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:23:39 PM EDT
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Next month they will announce plans for EV MBTs.
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:25:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the whole reason for the hybrid case. The high strength steel casehead doesn't swell under high pressure, yet the brass front half is ductile to stretch within a safe headspace range to prevent case head seperation and difficult extraction. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:26:32 PM EDT
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Are they still making shit that they don’t support two years after launch?
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:27:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get one. You will love it. Even if they drop it, they commit to repairs and warranty anyhow. Love mine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I kinda want an MPX but I’m afraid sig will drop them in a few years like everything else. Get one. You will love it. Even if they drop it, they commit to repairs and warranty anyhow. Love mine. Only 4” barrels now. Would rather have the 8” for the extra velocity. Will just have to think on it. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:28:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To kill Chinese at long range. Do islands get long range? I know if we went mainland, it could be useful, but at the same time, it's got the largest metro's in the world. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:28:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm glad someone else thinks a 6mm Valkyrie would be ideal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I feel like this isn’t going to go anywhere and will die before it gets off the ground. It’s a cool concept, but the rifle is massive and heavy, and NATO and our Allie’s likely won’t follow us into this change. I bet it’ll be gone in 10 years max A cartridge like the 224 Valkyrie necked up to 6mm would be interesting as a 556 replacement, and with 80-90gr bullets the armor penetration should be good, while keeping weight and cost down I'm glad someone else thinks a 6mm Valkyrie would be ideal. Why don’t we have this? Valkyrie was never attractive to me in 224 but I am curious what it would look like in 6mm -Mike |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:30:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I feel like this isn’t going to go anywhere and will die before it gets off the ground. It’s a cool concept, but the rifle is massive and heavy, and NATO and our Allie’s likely won’t follow us into this change. I bet it’ll be gone in 10 years max A cartridge like the 224 Valkyrie necked up to 6mm would be interesting as a 556 replacement, and with 80-90gr bullets the armor penetration should be good, while keeping weight and cost down The Army has put way too much effort into the development of the 6.8 projectiles. There is no way this is going away. Fielding may not end up being as widespread as planned but it is not going away, and M240s will end up being converted to 6.8 also. 5.56 may stay around, but this is a 7.62 killer even though it was sold as an M4/M249 replacement. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:31:23 PM EDT
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That sucks, the True Velocity ammunition is much more compelling.
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:32:03 PM EDT
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Yuck, fuck SIG, I'm not joining the Army now!
The M4 isn't going away, this won't happen. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:34:38 PM EDT
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These will called the M5 and M250?
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:35:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And you don't think there will be any looseness between 3 components of the case? No issues with headspacing? With the high chamber pressures, everything better be perfect and in sync. The 3 piece case design is more forgiving to headspace variation than a one piece high strength steel case, with high pressures. The hybrid case gives a strong case head to withstand the pressure while having a ductile body to prevent case separation within a reasonable headspace range. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:36:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That sucks, the True Velocity ammunition is much more compelling. Maybe, but they teamed up with a Bullpup design. |
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