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Posted: 5/10/2024 1:23:25 AM EDT
I finally saw a police video where a cop popped a few tires with his knife. I've seen so many different videos where it looked like that would be a simple thing to do but I assume that it's not allowed and that's why I never see it. Reminds me of the convincing I had to do to get permission to pop tires with the Halligan instead of using pliers to pull the valve stem.
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BikerNut:
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles. People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird. |
That tends to make the tow truck driver unhappy.
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Yes... and I've done it to help assist in/attempting to disable a stolen vehicle... or at least make it more difficult to drive.
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Double post...
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We do it when necessary during extrications. Step chocks and a stab. I keep a knife in my coat pocket pretty much just for that.
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Everything like that is situational.
Just about anything is “allowed” under the right circumstances. Generally speaking it’s not allowed. Like that one guy on your squad that keeps taking FMLA, and claims he can’t work weekend nights because he has sleep apnea and PTSD from his time as a non-deployed National Guard supply clerk? You pop that guys POV tires with a knife one time and it’s a criminal IA. Ridiculous. |
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Asa Phelps has died.
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Originally Posted By Yankee-Carpet-Bagger: There are mini stop-sticks, but they destroy the tire and you have to remember to retrieve them if your bad guy doesn't go mobile. If you have the time, a valve stem removal tool is the best $3 you can spend. Loosen or remove the schrader valve depending on your time frame. When done, tighten it or put it back in and pump up the tire, no damage. Check the auto section @ walmart. https://cdn-tp3.mozu.com/24645-37138/cms/37138/files/e5b5585f-2e97-4a50-8f83-4120f7ce7fd9?quality=60&max=480&_mzcb=_1703879152693 View Quote I am aware and have tools for pulling valve stems I just don't see that as a good solution for an active situation. Originally Posted By FightingHellfish: Everything like that is situational. Just about anything is “allowed” under the right circumstances. Generally speaking it’s not allowed. Like that one guy on your squad that keeps taking FMLA, and claims he can’t work weekend nights because he has sleep apnea and PTSD from his time as a non-deployed National Guard supply clerk? You pop that guys POV tires with a knife one time and it’s a criminal IA. Ridiculous. View Quote That's why I was asking. I've seen talk about safety concerns as well as damage concerns. It's pretty simple to do on most tires but I never see it done in the videos I watch so I wanted to know what's up. |
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BikerNut:
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles. People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird. |
BikerNut:
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles. People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird. |
Our policy was silent on that, but I cant see any of the CLEOs I worked for ever approving of it. Sounds about as smart as the trend a couple of years ago of shooting your gun through your windshield while in motion.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy: Sounds about as smart as the trend a couple of years ago of shooting your gun through your windshield while in motion. View Quote ETA- my posts are from a LE application perspective. When it comes to tactical problem solving, nothing is off the table per se. Sometimes things that seem "odd" or "stupid"... just might work under a specific set of circumstances. Then again, a man has to know his limitations and abilities to think creatively and on the fly to get things done. Some people are good at thinking under pressure and some are not. In my case, we had a stolen vehicle pinned but we didn't know how long we would be able maintain control. Under distraction from others, I slipped up behind the vehicle undetected and punctured both rear tires. The attempted path of escape continued to be forward so we sure as hell were not going to put stop sticks in front of the car and putting them in the rear would most likely been useless. As far as "approving" a specific practice, the possibilities are way too vast to cover every possible situation. A GOOD policy contains a general provixion that allows for creative thinking that solves problems without needlessly limiting options so long as they are lawful acts and not reckless in nature. |
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Originally Posted By Bowhntr6pt: ETA- my posts are from a LE application perspective. When it comes to tactical problem solving, nothing is off the table per se. Sometimes things that seem "odd" or "stupid"... just might work under a specific set of circumstances. Then again, a man has to know his limitations and abilities to think creatively and on the fly to get things done. Some people are good at thinking under pressure and some are not. In my case, we had a stolen vehicle pinned but we didn't know how long we would be able maintain control. Under distraction from others, I slipped up behind the vehicle undetected and punctured both rear tires. The attempted path of escape continued to be forward so we sure as hell were not going to put stop sticks in front of the car and putting them in the rear would most likely been useless. As far as "approving" a specific practice, the possibilities are way too vast to cover every possible situation. A GOOD policy contains a general provixion that allows for creative thinking that solves problems without needlessly limiting options so long as they are lawful acts and not reckless in nature. View Quote I assumed that it was in a LE scenario. I still dont think that any of my agencies would have looked kindly on puncturing tires. I understand your comment about the policies. Unfortunately about half of the CLEOs I worked for over the years would have found something in policy to nail us to the wall for damaging tires. I'm sure of that. |
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Originally Posted By tc556guy: I assumed that it was in a LE scenario. I still dont think that any of my agencies would have looked kindly on puncturing tires. I understand your comment about the policies. Unfortunately about half of the CLEOs I worked for over the years would have found something in policy to nail us to the wall for damaging tires. I'm sure of that. View Quote So no stop sticks or similar? |
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BikerNut:
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles. People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird. |
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GOs be damned
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An Adventurer from the Internet
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When I was a local I would knife bike tires constantly when they dumped a bike and ran. One day I stuck one they must have used "fix a flat" on.....I was a sticky mess. I learned to stand on the other side when I stuck them after that.
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Not a normal thing, but I know on one occasion a member of command staff got lost in the office and somehow wound up in a major scene, where he decided to knife the tires. It was tactically a valid decision, and no one ever questioned it.
On the flip side, I had a supervisor try to stab a tire using the pocket spike strip box. Catch is, you have to pull the box off the spikes to let the air flow out properly. After we extricated the driver, the damn spikes kept hissing air our for a solid 5-10 minutes...it would have been far smarter to just knife the damn tire: faster acting, free (no spikes used up), and way less annoying. |
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Channel locks on the valve stems works.
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"Don't Ride Like An Asshole"
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BikerNut:
Normal people like motorcycles. Real people like motorcycles. People who don't like motorcycles are just... weird. |
Many of us carried tools.
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"Don't Ride Like An Asshole"
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“Allowed”……….depends on the dept.
Have I done it? Yep. Was it “allowed” by my dept? It’s better to ask for forgiveness than permission….. J- |
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Tire stem deflator on Amazon is the best tool. No damage and you don’t remove the valve stem. It does take a minute or so.
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