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It's a dupe...but I like it!

Does it use p30 mags?

Do want - in a "Tactical" version with suppressor sights, and a threaded o-ring barrel.

Would be an awesome host for my suppressor.

Yes

Interesting

Available in 2 years?

I'm guessing July.

General discussion thread link for reference:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1630894_HK_VP9.html

Finally Striker Perfection.....Not a Striker Fired kinda guy but this one might change my mind.

I wonder if they'll have a version in .40?

I love how their trigger comparison is only against the 2 most popular options, I am guessing Glock and M&P, I am sure they left Walther out for a reason

Apparently the HK rep brought one in to our store today in Eden Prairie MN, of course it was one of the times I WASN'T there. We were told we'd be able to get our first order in a month.

Don't toy with me woman!

I can't wait to get one of these in my hands! Hopefully I'll like it better than the PPQ, which messed up when they got rid of the paddle mag release...

They still make and offer the PPQ M1 with paddles

6mm trigger travel with 3mm reset?! Yes please!

eh...I'll still wait for the VP9...

Waiting for VP9SD

My "ultimate" version, if you will, would be one with a long slide, tall suppressor sites, a threaded barrel, and maybe a different color frame.  That would be a neat pistol.  Or maybe a compact one.

No toying around at all, pricing at our store will also be sub 700. Unfortunately, it sounds like they're shortening up the slide rails quite a bit, hopefully it still performs on par with my other HK's. If no one else beats me to it, I can do an in depth review and comparison to one of my USPs if people want.

Mine was $653 with 3 mags and night sights. Should be here in august and I can't wait!

1. Lower slide profile: Yay!


2. Lower bore axis: Yay!


3. Browning Buckmark Slide Ears: OK...


4. Glock style trigger safety: OK...


5. Service length grip with compact slide: Yuck!


6. Trigger trough: Ouch! Why?


7. Price: Yay!

Close, but no cigar. If the grip was as short as a Glock 19 and the trigger guard didn't have that trough in it, I'd be waiting cash-in-hand to buy one.



As it sits, I'll keep my P7, Glock 19/26 and Walther P99. If I need another 9mm (doubtful) I'll lean towards the PPQ.

I really hope they make this in a compact version.

Order placed, let the waiting game begin

It's not that compact of a slide. It's longer than the P30 and PPQ which I prefer and I'd take a HK product over a Walther any day. That compact slide on a fullsize grip is a dumb European thing.

The barrel is 4.09 vs the Glock 19's 4.06 inches. I think the shooting world agrees that the Glock 19 is a "compact" firearm.





I've owned several HKs. I love 9mms. So far the only HK 9mm that has been worth keeping, for me, has been the P7. All the rest have fell short for one reason or the other, and they've gone downstream as a result.





Walther is no slouch; my 2014 P99 is fully proofed, fantastically built, and well within the $600 price point. HK has been stuck on the USP framework for too long, and it's getting a bit long in the tooth.



Just my opinion based on my experiences, nothing more.





 

The barrel length is close but the slide is still longer by design. For me, I'm just happy they made it longer period as yeah I agree, I hate the European P30/PPQ/FNS style of a compact slide on a full-size frame.

I enjoy a compact slide on a full size frame. Colt Combat Commander anyone?

 

Is that an LE/MIL price?

Yes it is. Other wise it comes with 2 magazines with night sights being a $57 option.

Not bad at all. Thanks!

I REALLY want people to start getting these and making videos/write ups about them.  I can't wait.

This.
Same for me.
The only HK I have kept is the HK45 and I am eyeballing what could be it's replacement.
I have had USP's for years until it slowly dawned on me that the triggers were never ever going to get better.
After shooting Sigs with the SRT and now a Walter PPQ Navy, I have little tolerance for icky triggers.
Also, I can't stand the trough and the paddle's up when you don't have a mag in the HK45.

Well you're in for a treat, then.  The VP9 has fixed all the things in your post.  You're going to dig it, I promise.

The trough is there.

USP's didn't put the slide stop right in the middle of your grip, and the HK45/P30s could be modded. Out of luck with the VP9.

Interestingly enough, the slide release location on the VP9 doesn't bother me. I never had a problem running afoul of the slide lock with SIGs, Glocks, M&Ps or the Walthers. I went through a stint with 1911s and when I came back to shooting the aforementioned guns, I found that I had developed a bad habit of riding my thumb up high. Where it was on top of the safety with the 1911, it caused a problem with the Glocks, Sigs, M&Ps & Walthers. I finally swore off 1911s and got back on track with the 21st Century; all my slide lock errors have disappeared.



That said, looking at the VP9 closely, it looks like the slide lock sits a little lower than all the guns I just mentioned. Hopefully that doesn't cause problems with locking back on an empty mag because your hand just so happens to be a C-hair closer to it.



At the end of the day, I would have liked to see this gun adopt more of the concepts we saw in the Caracal, such as a low-mass, low profile slide and an even lower bore axis. I would have also liked a shorter grip. I completely understand that H&K is heavily invested in the P30 design and that polymer molds cost a shit-ton of cashola, not to mention the R&D and T&E costs of a completely new design.



I'm far from an HK hater, but in all honesty my ugly, soul-less, odd-angled, pre-BTF Glocks work just fine. They are extremely efficient in terms of size, capacity and weight. They can be detail stripped with a door nail in 60 seconds. Parts are cheap as shit and they're everywhere. There are lots of guns out there that have more soul and class than the run of the mill plastic guns. I just wish this one was a real-deal G19 killer. From the looks of things, it isn't.



 

Price point seems good on these.  I hope the 45 APC version is similar in price.  

Anyone know if they plan on offering threaded barrel models?

Hopefully HK or RCM will have metric threaded barrels available soon. If that happens and the trigger is as good as I hope my Glock will probably gather a lot of dust in the safe.

Looks like the going price on a HKpro group buy right now is 550 without night sights. I'd be willing to bet we see them around 500 once they hit the shelves. Pretty awesome price point...

Can you put up a link to that? I didn't see it in the consolidated VP9 thread or in the Group Buy forum.

The amount of takeup on the trigger doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.  The PPQ trigger also has a lot of takeup, it's apparently some kind of German requirement.

With night sights and 3 mags mine was $624 delivered. HK group buys are usually a good bit lower than the street price so I'd expect on seeing the for at least 575-600.

Obviously we'll need to shoot one first, but If they're going to such lengths to talk up their trigger it leads me to think it will be a pleasant surprise.

Apparently the HK competition team captain doesn't know much about HK's history and I can't figure out what's up with that Miami Vice grip Keefe has but here it is:

NRA HK Vid

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/gmp-parts-company/201208-vp9-group-buy-batch-1-2-final-cost-details.html

Sweet, thanks.

Well, it’s been very difficult keeping my mouth shut the last couple of years with this project in development, and an NDA was required to keep me quiet, but now with the official release, I can talk about the pistol.

First things first—I wasn’t involved in the development. The credit for the end product goes to the HK design team, and Jason, the HK shooting team captain—he has a lot of time invested in the project. But I have shot the VP9 quite a bit, and can probably answer some of your questions. Now much of this will be subjective, as everyone perceives things differently, so most of this post is considered ‘in my opinion.’

Let me preface all of the following by saying this: I like GLOCKs. My duty gun is a G21. My EDC was (was) a G19. I am not a ‘fan boy’ of anything, but I appreciate things that work.

The biggest thing: The trigger. Yes, it’s as good as the reports. I don’t have a ton of time behind a Walther trigger, but in my opinion, it’s as good as or possibly just a little bit better than the Walther. What I can reliably compare it to are stock and modified triggers in M&P and GLOCK handguns. It is easily better than stock offerings in the M&P and GLOCK line, and better than some of the aftermarket upgraded triggers found in the same.

The trigger in the VP9 has a light, short and smooth take-up, with no staging or gritty feel, a break that is very crisp and clean and is better than the SA portion of most DA/SA guns I have fired. It has a short and very positive reset. Compared to aftermarket triggers, I’d say the stock VP9 trigger gives many of them a run for their money. I have an M&P Pro 9 that my wife uses for 3-gun, and it has an APEX competition sear kit in it. Comparing the two, the APEX trigger pull is lighter than the stock VP9 trigger, but doesn’t break as clean, has more total travel, and has nowhere near the positive reset that the VP9 does. My G34s both have 3.5# connectors, and spring kits in them (GLOCKWORX, I think). Again, the actual trigger pull weight on the modified G34 is less than the VP9, but the break is cleaner, and you don’t have the staging that is often present in the GLOCK trigger.

Also, and this is one of the things I dislike about my P30 triggers, the VP9 trigger breaks much further forward and doesn’t travel nearly as far. I always disliked how the trigger on the P30 doesn’t break until the trigger is all the way back to the frame—I always felt like it was difficult to consistently pull my trigger finger straight to the rear, because the trigger had to move so far back. Not so with the VP9. All in all, I feel it’s the best stock striker trigger on the market.

The ‘trough’: Until a poster on AR15.com pointed it out, and voiced his dislike for it, I honestly didn’t even realize it was there. I never noticed the trough in the trigger guard when firing the VP9, but I also never felt it on my HK45 or P30s—so, YMMV, I guess.

Sights: The sights share the same dovetail as the P30 / HK45, so aftermarket sights for any of those guns should fit. I have a set of Dawson sights on order to find out if the same height front sight that the P30 uses will work for the VP9.

Charging Supports: The first time we all saw the prototype gun with the charging supports we were all like WTF? I didn’t think they really needed to be there, but HK liked them, and they weren’t going anywhere. But here’s the funny thing—when I actually got to shoot the gun, I used them every time without even thinking. They work as advertised, and I think they will be a huge plus for those with reduced hand strength who have trouble manipulating the slide—especially when their hands get wet. They really don’t get in the way of anything, and when CCing the VP9, they don’t protrude enough that you could feel them on your side. Plus, if you really don’t like them, you can drift the rear sight off and replace it with flat inserts that should be available from the web-shop.
Mags: It takes P30 mags, and works fine with the Taylor Freelance extensions, so a tight 20 + 1or an easy 19 + 1 is already available.

The magazine release paddles: The geometry of the VP9 is a little different than the P30, and the magazine sits further up in the gun. Because of this, the mag release paddles sit up slightly higher and further to the rear than the P30, making it a little easier to hit the magazine release paddles. It also makes it so that the paddles don’t rest below the trigger guard when there isn’t a magazine inserted, which can irritate the hand.

Holsters: This is a brand new gun, and I’m sure samples are at holster makers as we speak getting holster blanks made up. I tried the VP9 in a leather holster made for a P30, and it fit fine, but the nose hung out a quarter inch or so. I think a leather holster for a P30L should work just fine. But a word of caution on kydex holsters—during the video shoot, I made a couple of draws and the magazine fell out as I presented the gun. It took two iterations of this to figure out that because the magazine release paddles sit further up on the grip that the indented portion (where the trigger guard is) of the holster (which was molded for a P30) was touching the mag release paddles. So when I was driving my hand down on the grip, I was activating the paddles and ejecting the magazine. I make my own kydex holsters, so I just made my own, but companies are going to have make VP9-specific kydex holsters—a P30 holster may not work.

The grip: The VP9 grip is very similar to, and is just as ridiculously comfortable as, the P30 grip. Even more so, though—since the slide is a hair longer in the back than a P30, there is a little more ‘beavertail’ than a P30, and it feels like your hand ‘locks in’ to the grip. The panels come off and go back on the same way as a P30—although I’m not sure if they are identical to and interchangeable with the P30 panels. I’ll check on that as soon as I can. Also, the bore axis of the VP9 is a little lower than the P30, so it should theoretically recoil softer than a P30. The bore axis thing never bothered me too much with other guns, however, so again—YMMV. Felt recoil is a pretty subjective thing. Bottom line is that the VP9 is very easy to shoot well.

To the best of my knowledge, the VP9 uses the same recoil spring (not guide rod) as the P30. As such, you can probably expect to shoot some warm 124grn ammo for the first hundred or so rounds to break the gun in.

Disassembly is easy, and requires no tools, and pulling the trigger is not required. There is no magazine safety (for firing) but there is a lever that prevents further disassembly of the gun unless the magazine is removed.

Well, that’s all I can think of off the top of my head. If you have any questions, fire away. Oh, and I hope you enjoyed the video. It was a lot of fun to make, and the HK marketing team, along with the videographers and photographers were very professional.

Oh, and maybe cut Jason and the NRA guy a little slack--they were well aware of the VP70--in fact he and I discussed it not a week before the interview. They were referring to the modern HK line, and it came out sounding the way it did probably due to editing.

That's going to be a smoking price depending upon cost to do the transfer. It also appears that is a LEO only option. The 550 shipped for one is a killer deal. Seeing what my distributors are charging for this gun I won't be able to touch that price.

We must have the same rep

He came into  our store in Woodbury and I snap a few pictures and my coworker attached them to his blog.


I will be buying this gun!  It felt great and while it is not an HKp30, it is much cheaper than the P30.


http://www.romeotangobravo.net/2014/06/hk-vp9-first-impressions.html

Do you feel it's inferior to the P30 line? Or more 'it's not better or worse, just different'?