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Posted: 4/28/2024 7:26:33 PM EDT
Looking for an iwc benelli m4 light mount. Willing to pay $200 for one.
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Damn. No one seems to have them. Their website says 10 days.
I got mine from Freedom Fighter Tactical for $70. For $200 I'm half-tempted to sell you mine. |
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Originally Posted By intheburbs: Damn. No one seems to have them. Their website says 10 days. I got mine from Freedom Fighter Tactical for $70. For $200 I'm half-tempted to sell you mine. View Quote The owner of IWC passed away several months ago. The family suspended sales via the IWC website - wax supposed to be shut down a couple weeks but it’s been months. Website states they are only fulfilling dealer orders at this time but all their dealers have been OOS. |
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Originally Posted By HCM3156: The owner of IWC passed away several months ago. The family suspended sales via the IWC website - wax supposed to be shut down a couple weeks but it’s been months. Website states they are only fulfilling dealer orders at this time but all their dealers have been OOS. View Quote Crap, I love that company and was getting ready to order a qd sling mount…. |
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Great light mount… hope you find one in stock.
Pic of one I’ve been using for 5 years or so. Attached File |
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RX Arms should make one of these light/sling mounts considering no one else is making them at the moment. They've already done most of the work because their Benelli M4 Heat Shield uses a similar attachment.
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Originally Posted By ARgonot: RX Arms should make one of these light/sling mounts considering no one else is making them at the moment. They've already done most of the work because their Benelli M4 Heat Shield uses a similar attachment. View Quote Rx has been saying it will release.But still hasnt.He getting to late to the party |
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In the interim until you can get an IWC mount which I think it probably the best and cleanest mount made for the M4, GG&G makes an M4 light and sling mount. It is okay. https://www.gggaz.com/benelli-m4-quick-detach-sling-and-flashlight-mount.html
Hopefully someone will either buy IWC or start producing some of IWCs better designs if they aren’t patented. It seems his wife isn’t interested or is not capable of running IWC. No criticism though, I can’t even imagine how hard this has been on her. It’s a sad situation. IWC has been the go to solution if you needed a sling or light mount. IWC seemed to have a solution for every problem and for a lot of platforms. I have a few of their Surefire M series light mounts. They bring the big M951 light up and in close to the rail. It is still my most favorite mount for that light. |
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So unfortunate about the owner. I really hope the company gets into the right hands and continues. I have a mount of theirs for the Magpul MOE handguard and its such an amazing mount. They have fantastic products.
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Freedom fighter working on a version of iwc mount also. I'm just kinda holding out to see what it's about for now.
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Oh no kidding, I wouldn’t mind seeing their take on it at all. Any release date for it yet?
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His youtube video made it sound like possible released this year
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View Quote That is an awesome shotgun, what product are you using to attach your single-point sling near the pistol grip? On thread topic: Let me be another to vouch for the GG&G flashlight mount. It's a little rattly, but for the price it offers a lot of functionality. I was originally holding out for the IWC but at this point I've settled with the GG&G and it works great. |
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Originally Posted By Tyrok: That is an awesome shotgun, what product are you using to attach your single-point sling near the pistol grip? On thread topic: Let me be another to vouch for the GG&G flashlight mount. It's a little rattly, but for the price it offers a lot of functionality. I was originally holding out for the IWC but at this point I've settled with the GG&G and it works great. View Quote Can’t remember who turned me onto the plate… may be made by KSI…? Unsure. I added a ring from a flashbang. Single point is not ideal but my use is unique. For takedowns I wear the sling in my vehicle detached from gun. Allows quick snag free exit. When I get a chance I’ll link up to the gun…. If need be I’ll attach at front for 2 point to climb or cuff |
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Gg&g also makes sling mounts that mount between reciever and stock just recently mounted hk hook style on mine for single point mount
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Mounting solutions plus now has there version of iwc mount.
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Originally Posted By painterman: Mounting solutions plus now has there version of iwc mount. View Quote Looks like they made a copy of the IWC mount which I don’t have a problem with since IWC isn’t producing them anymore. I just question if MSP will uphold IWCs high standards. I’d like to see them make one set up specifically for the newer Surefire Pro mount. Surefire doesn’t even use the legacy scout mount anymore. All of their newer lights come with the pro mount. While you can attach it to the pic rail you are adding more failure points. https://www.mountsplus.com/benelli-m4-light-mount-picatinny.html https://www.mountsplus.com/msp-scout-light-mount-for-benelli-m4.html |
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Thanks for the link! I just ordered an MSP... Seems like it's identical, should work just fine for me!
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Will do!!
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Any update? I ordered one but it's on backorder |
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The S&J hardware light mount (or GG&G) is better with less weight and bulk
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Originally Posted By 03RN: I don't like mounts like that. The lights on the wrong side and gets pushed out to far. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By Blain: The S&J hardware light mount (or GG&G) is better with less weight and bulk I don't like mounts like that. The lights on the wrong side and gets pushed out to far. If you are right hand dominant, you want the light on the right side of the gun, esp for rounding corners. |
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Originally Posted By Blain: If you are right hand dominant, you want the light on the right side of the gun, esp for rounding corners. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Blain: Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By Blain: The S&J hardware light mount (or GG&G) is better with less weight and bulk I don't like mounts like that. The lights on the wrong side and gets pushed out to far. If you are right hand dominant, you want the light on the right side of the gun, esp for rounding corners. You can't always go the same way so it's a moot point. Plus I don't like wires and how far out that mount places the light. |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: You can't always go the same way so it's a moot point. Plus I don't like wires and how far out that mount places the light. View Quote It puts the light just as close as the other mount. It also allows the light to not bang against you / get hung up on shit when the weapon is slung. |
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Originally Posted By TheKurnal: Looks like FreedomFighterTactical has their new IWC QD/ light mount up. Only $234 https://freedomfightertactical.com/collections/most-popular-benelli-m4-upgrades/products/freedom-fighter-tactical-multi-light-mount-with-1913-picatinny-rail?utm_source=Freedom+Fighter+Tactical&utm_campaign=08289df57d-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_01_30_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a478b1680f-08289df57d-374969013&mc_cid=08289df57d&mc_eid=684f1f9475 View Quote $234 Attached File |
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I hate FFT and their rip off prices. Anyone who pays that much for that (IMHO) inferior light mount, deserves to pay that. The obsession people have for this vastly inferior light mount is beyond me.
Hell, for the price of that mount you could buy one of the expensive Mlok handguards for the M4. |
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Originally Posted By Blain: It puts the light just as close as the other mount. It also allows the light to not bang against you / get hung up on shit when the weapon is slung. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Blain: Originally Posted By 03RN: You can't always go the same way so it's a moot point. Plus I don't like wires and how far out that mount places the light. It puts the light just as close as the other mount. It also allows the light to not bang against you / get hung up on shit when the weapon is slung. No, it sits farther out as apposed to being tucked up to the barrel. It's pretty significant and that's why I don't use that style anymore. I keep the rear stock mount at 3 o'clock which facilitates support side shooting much better. That also means if I need to stow my long gun it hangs ejection port towards me. Also since it's tucked in tighter it's not getting hung up on shit if it is hanging towards me. |
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Originally Posted By Blain: I don't get what you mean by rear stock mount. The S&J Hardware mount is literally less than half an inch from the gun (as pictured). You can't get any closer than that, and if one wants to quibble about something being a quarter inch closer, the fact that you have a big bulky light rubbing against you (no matter how close it is, most people still have the bulk of the light rubbing against you). You might not if you have it slung some special way, but most people would. Also, like I mentioned, as a right handed shooter, in terms of cover, and rounding corners to keep yourself covered / concealed, you don't want the light blocked by the obstacle you're using for cover / concealment. You want it on the other side. https://imgur.com/gallery/1NvpRyZ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Blain: Originally Posted By 03RN: No, it sits farther out as apposed to being tucked up to the barrel. It's pretty significant and that's why I don't use that style anymore. I keep the rear stock mount at 3 o'clock which facilitates support side shooting much better. That also means if I need to stow my long gun it hangs ejection port towards me. Also since it's tucked in tighter it's not getting hung up on shit if it is hanging towards me. I don't get what you mean by rear stock mount. The S&J Hardware mount is literally less than half an inch from the gun (as pictured). You can't get any closer than that, and if one wants to quibble about something being a quarter inch closer, the fact that you have a big bulky light rubbing against you (no matter how close it is, most people still have the bulk of the light rubbing against you). You might not if you have it slung some special way, but most people would. Also, like I mentioned, as a right handed shooter, in terms of cover, and rounding corners to keep yourself covered / concealed, you don't want the light blocked by the obstacle you're using for cover / concealment. You want it on the other side. https://imgur.com/gallery/1NvpRyZ What are you going to do if you have to turn right? Anyway you look at it half the corners in this world are right. Unless you're operating on a Nascar track. The difference in width is pretty significant but if you haven’t used something that tucks the light in tighter then I understand your confusion. It's like using a scope ring on the side of a quadrail vs a surefire 640 on the top rail setting a 11 oclock on an AR. Slings go like this. It's pretty much been industry standard for 15 years Attached File Attached File |
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The iwc mount will have the light tucked in about an inch more vs what you just showed
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Originally Posted By 03RN: What are you going to do if you have to turn right? Anyway you look at it half the corners in this world are right. Unless you're operating on a Nascar track. The difference in width is pretty significant but if you haven’t used something that tucks the light in tighter then I understand your confusion. It's like using a scope ring on the side of a quadrail vs a surefire 640 on the top rail setting a 11 oclock on an AR. Slings go like this. It's pretty much been industry standard for 15 years https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/1000001493_jpg-3321896.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20231128_141918_jpg-3321900.JPG View Quote I am not familiar with that sling set up and would like to see it in operation. I wear my slings the traditional way and have no problems with it. Also, aside from rounding corners if you are outside, like the pictures you posted, are you going to be using cover / concealment at all? I sure as hell am. I sure as hell don't want the barrier I use to cover / conceal me to also block the light of my weapon either. |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: The iwc mount will have the light tucked in about an inch more vs what you just showed https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/1000001499_jpg-3321906.JPG View Quote No it won't. It's not physically possible. The mount I have is less than a half inch away from the gun... It's not a game changer anyway if the light mount is slightly closer to the weapon. Both project the beam just fine. |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: What are you going to do if you have to turn right? Anyway you look at it half the corners in this world are right. Unless you're operating on a Nascar track. The difference in width is pretty significant but if you haven’t used something that tucks the light in tighter then I understand your confusion. It's like using a scope ring on the side of a quadrail vs a surefire 640 on the top rail setting a 11 oclock on an AR. Slings go like this. It's pretty much been industry standard for 15 years https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/1000001493_jpg-3321896.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20231128_141918_jpg-3321900.JPG View Quote The light on your AR has more offset to the barrel than the light on my Benelli does. Does that mean your AR set up is no good? |
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Originally Posted By Blain: No it won't. It's not physically possible. The mount I have is less than a half inch away from the gun... It's not a game changer anyway if the light mount is slightly closer to the weapon. Both project the beam just fine. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Blain: Originally Posted By 03RN: The iwc mount will have the light tucked in about an inch more vs what you just showed https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/1000001499_jpg-3321906.JPG No it won't. It's not physically possible. The mount I have is less than a half inch away from the gun... It's not a game changer anyway if the light mount is slightly closer to the weapon. Both project the beam just fine. It is because your mount has to clear the forend |
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Originally Posted By Blain: The light on your AR has more offset to the barrel than the light on my Benelli does. Does that mean your AR set up is no good? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Blain: Originally Posted By 03RN: What are you going to do if you have to turn right? Anyway you look at it half the corners in this world are right. Unless you're operating on a Nascar track. The difference in width is pretty significant but if you haven’t used something that tucks the light in tighter then I understand your confusion. It's like using a scope ring on the side of a quadrail vs a surefire 640 on the top rail setting a 11 oclock on an AR. Slings go like this. It's pretty much been industry standard for 15 years https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/1000001493_jpg-3321896.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20231128_141918_jpg-3321900.JPG The light on your AR has more offset to the barrel than the light on my Benelli does. Does that mean your AR set up is no good? Dude, wtf are you going on about? It's less then 2 inches from the outside edge of the barrel. It's 1.5" from the centerline. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Blain: I am not familiar with that sling set up and would like to see it in operation. I wear my slings the traditional way and have no problems with it. Also, aside from rounding corners if you are outside, like the pictures you posted, are you going to be using cover / concealment at all? I sure as hell am. I sure as hell don't want the barrier I use to cover / conceal me to also block the light of my weapon either. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Blain: Originally Posted By 03RN: What are you going to do if you have to turn right? Anyway you look at it half the corners in this world are right. Unless you're operating on a Nascar track. The difference in width is pretty significant but if you haven’t used something that tucks the light in tighter then I understand your confusion. It's like using a scope ring on the side of a quadrail vs a surefire 640 on the top rail setting a 11 oclock on an AR. Slings go like this. It's pretty much been industry standard for 15 years https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/1000001493_jpg-3321896.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20231128_141918_jpg-3321900.JPG I am not familiar with that sling set up and would like to see it in operation. I wear my slings the traditional way and have no problems with it. Also, aside from rounding corners if you are outside, like the pictures you posted, are you going to be using cover / concealment at all? I sure as hell am. I sure as hell don't want the barrier I use to cover / conceal me to also block the light of my weapon either. The light is close enough to the barrel it's not an issue. And again. Things typically have 2 sides. If you need a light when rounding a tree use the other side. |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: The light is close enough to the barrel it's not an issue. And again. Things typically have 2 sides. If you need a light when rounding a tree use the other side. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By Blain: Originally Posted By 03RN: What are you going to do if you have to turn right? Anyway you look at it half the corners in this world are right. Unless you're operating on a Nascar track. The difference in width is pretty significant but if you haven’t used something that tucks the light in tighter then I understand your confusion. It's like using a scope ring on the side of a quadrail vs a surefire 640 on the top rail setting a 11 oclock on an AR. Slings go like this. It's pretty much been industry standard for 15 years https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/1000001493_jpg-3321896.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20231128_141918_jpg-3321900.JPG I am not familiar with that sling set up and would like to see it in operation. I wear my slings the traditional way and have no problems with it. Also, aside from rounding corners if you are outside, like the pictures you posted, are you going to be using cover / concealment at all? I sure as hell am. I sure as hell don't want the barrier I use to cover / conceal me to also block the light of my weapon either. The light is close enough to the barrel it's not an issue. And again. Things typically have 2 sides. If you need a light when rounding a tree use the other side. You’re pissing into the wind going round and round with that dude. |
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I have an m4, I like it. Why is a flashlight mount 200+ bucks? With all the bullshit accessories they make for this gun, you could buy the 1301 tactical mod.2 and still probably have a better shotgun.
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Originally Posted By 03RN: The light is close enough to the barrel it's not an issue. And again. Things typically have 2 sides. If you need a light when rounding a tree use the other side. View Quote Exactly my point. The M4 light mount I use works great, doesn't have to screw on to the gun, etc. Do you need to take that mount off in order to disassemble the gun? And what side you can / should use for cover is very situational dependent based on the circumstances of the engagement. The strong side may be the safer side (and will leave less of you exposed to boot). Also, some obstacles you won't have a choice of sides (dwelling, cliff face, etc). If you are a lefty, I can see you setting your light up that way though. |
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Originally Posted By Blain: Exactly my point. The M4 light mount I use works great, doesn't have to screw on to the gun, etc. Do you need to take that mount off in order to disassemble the gun? And what side you can / should use for cover is very situational dependent based on the circumstances of the engagement. The strong side may be the safer side (and will leave less of you exposed to boot). Also, some obstacles you won't have a choice of sides (dwelling, cliff face, etc). If you are a lefty, I can see you setting your light up that way though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Blain: Originally Posted By 03RN: The light is close enough to the barrel it's not an issue. And again. Things typically have 2 sides. If you need a light when rounding a tree use the other side. Exactly my point. The M4 light mount I use works great, doesn't have to screw on to the gun, etc. Do you need to take that mount off in order to disassemble the gun? And what side you can / should use for cover is very situational dependent based on the circumstances of the engagement. The strong side may be the safer side (and will leave less of you exposed to boot). Also, some obstacles you won't have a choice of sides (dwelling, cliff face, etc). If you are a lefty, I can see you setting your light up that way though. It's not a very good point because that type of mount needlessly pushes the light farther out than necessary. It will make it harder to clear obstacles if needed. It may work fine for you because you have never actually used it. By pushing the light farther out on either side it means you need to clear obstacles by pushing the weapon/light farther into the danger zone. Being righty or lefty is irrelevant because half the corners in the world favor one side or another The IWC light does not need to be removed. The closer to centerline the better |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: It's not a very good point because that type of mount needlessly pushes the light farther out than necessary. It will make it harder to clear obstacles if needed. It may work fine for you because you have never actually used it. By pushing the light farther out on either side it means you need to clear obstacles by pushing the weapon/light farther into the danger zone. Being righty or lefty is irrelevant because half the corners in the world favor one side or another The IWC light does not need to be removed. View Quote I've used it plenty, and it works great. Closer to centerline is better, but one inch is a negligable difference all things considered. It's about the same distance from centerline as the light on your AR, which you find perfectably servicable. And left are half the corners but no need to fully expose yourself for right corners because your light is mounted on your weak side. That makes you fully exposed to 100% of corners vs only 50. And when I can pick the corner, it's going to be the one that shields me as much as possible. My light also won't be blocked when I do it. That is a much bigger difference than a light being mounted an inch farther away from the center line. |
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Originally Posted By Blain: I've used it plenty, and it works great. Closer to centerline is better, but one inch is a negligable difference all things considered. It's about the same distance from centerline as the light on your AR, which you find perfectably servicable. And left are half the corners but no need to fully expose yourself for right corners because your light is mounted on your weak side. That makes you fully exposed to 100% of corners vs only 50. And when I can pick the corner, it's going to be the one that shields me as much as possible. My light also won't be blocked when I do it. That is a much bigger difference than a light being mounted an inch farther away from the center line. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Blain: Originally Posted By 03RN: It's not a very good point because that type of mount needlessly pushes the light farther out than necessary. It will make it harder to clear obstacles if needed. It may work fine for you because you have never actually used it. By pushing the light farther out on either side it means you need to clear obstacles by pushing the weapon/light farther into the danger zone. Being righty or lefty is irrelevant because half the corners in the world favor one side or another The IWC light does not need to be removed. I've used it plenty, and it works great. Closer to centerline is better, but one inch is a negligable difference all things considered. It's about the same distance from centerline as the light on your AR, which you find perfectably servicable. And left are half the corners but no need to fully expose yourself for right corners because your light is mounted on your weak side. That makes you fully exposed to 100% of corners vs only 50. And when I can pick the corner, it's going to be the one that shields me as much as possible. My light also won't be blocked when I do it. That is a much bigger difference than a light being mounted an inch farther away from the center line. It's not about the same. It's an inch farther. You wouldn't be fully exposing yourself on right corners. Like really, I'm having a hard time having this conversation because nothing you're saying makes sense. Like why would I ever be 100% exposed. Having a light closer to center line helps you not be exposed at all. And when it's farther out it will be blocked more often. Or it will be exposed and your muzzle will be blocked. |
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