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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:04:44 PM EDT
I've caught the carbine bug and want one for some plinking and to take on occasional backpacking/hiking/camping expeditions.
I considered the Mini-14 for known reliability and ammo compatibility but let's face it, it's not an M1 carbine. That said, I'm torn between getting an old GI carbine or a NIB Kahr/AO carbine if said carbine is going to be a beater. The Fulton Armory and James River carbines a little out of my budget right now. What does ARFCOM think? Anyone know how the newer Kahr/AO carbines stack up? I heard they fixed some of the problems from the older carbines. |
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I've caught the carbine bug and want one for some plinking and to take on occasional backpacking/hiking/camping expeditions. I considered the Mini-14 for known reliability and ammo compatibility but let's face it, it's not an M1 carbine. That said, I'm torn between getting an old GI carbine or a NIB Kahr/AO carbine if said carbine is going to be a beater. The Fulton Armory and James River carbines a little out of my budget right now. What does ARFCOM think? Anyone know how the newer Kahr/AO carbines stack up? I heard they fixed some of the problems from the older carbines. View Quote The mini will be more cost effective to shoot, unless you reload. Either one of them are going to be Very Noticeable in the field. I'd buy a 4 - 6" .357 or 44 mag for camping / hiking before a carbine, of any caliber. |
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My m1a1 (usgi w/ repro stock) was my camping gun for many a year
Now its either a 590 or my ar If you want a camping/truck gun, and don't want to use an ar, a mini 14 would be my choice If i was looking to buy an m1 carbine, usgi or bust |
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The mini will be more cost effective to shoot, unless you reload. Either one of them are going to be Very Noticeable in the field. I'd buy a 4 - 6" .357 or 44 mag for camping / hiking before a carbine, of any caliber. View Quote My brain is telling me to get a mini for that reason haha, but my heart is telling me to an M1 carbine because nostalgia. But at the same time, I don't want to use and abuse an potentially collectable USGI carbine, hence my question about the Kahr/AO reproduction. I've got a Glock 20 on the way for my go-to camping gun. The carbine would be for shits and giggles |
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My brain is telling me to get a mini for that reason haha, but my heart is telling me to an M1 carbine because nostalgia. But at the same time, I don't want to use and abuse an potentially collectable USGI carbine, hence my question about the Kahr/AO reproduction. I've got a Glock 20 on the way for my go-to camping gun. The carbine would be for shits and giggles View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The mini will be more cost effective to shoot, unless you reload. Either one of them are going to be Very Noticeable in the field. I'd buy a 4 - 6" .357 or 44 mag for camping / hiking before a carbine, of any caliber. My brain is telling me to get a mini for that reason haha, but my heart is telling me to an M1 carbine because nostalgia. But at the same time, I don't want to use and abuse an potentially collectable USGI carbine, hence my question about the Kahr/AO reproduction. I've got a Glock 20 on the way for my go-to camping gun. The carbine would be for shits and giggles Shits n giggles guns get fired, a lot. Buy at least 1K of 30 carbine. A guy we shoot with is very happy with the 110gr tula. He has a generic / commercial, universal. It runs 99.5% of the time with it. Actually better results than the surplus stuff he has. Buy a mini with a side folder. If you don't like it, there's a better sell to base for a mini than commercial 30 carbine. |
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The further Kahr gets away from the K9/K40, the more issues you will have with it.
Their M1 carbine is pretty far away from either pistol. Fulton, James, USGI in good shape, or just go for the Mini (which have their own issues). |
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Have you seen the prices lately for an original, nice condition USGI walnut stock? Ferchrissakes, even a nice birch one is $100 plus bucks...
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I have had no complaints with my Kahr/ Auto Ordinance for about 5 years now.
I also looked at the "new" Inland Mfg LLC M1s at the NRA show and thought they looked nice. Inland M1 |
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I've caught the carbine bug and want one for some plinking and to take on occasional backpacking/hiking/camping expeditions. I considered the Mini-14 for known reliability and ammo compatibility but let's face it, it's not an M1 carbine. That said, I'm torn between getting an old GI carbine or a NIB Kahr/AO carbine if said carbine is going to be a beater. The Fulton Armory and James River carbines a little out of my budget right now. What does ARFCOM think? Anyone know how the newer Kahr/AO carbines stack up? I heard they fixed some of the problems from the older carbines. View Quote Neither are any of the aftermarket copies. That said, the Mini uses more effective and more available ammo. Not saying that the .30 Carbine round is ineffective. I have two Inlands and they are quite effective but I believe that 5.56 is more effective. |
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My brain is telling me to get a mini for that reason haha, but my heart is telling me to an M1 carbine because nostalgia. But at the same time, I don't want to use and abuse an potentially collectable USGI carbine, hence my question about the Kahr/AO reproduction. I've got a Glock 20 on the way for my go-to camping gun. The carbine would be for shits and giggles View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The mini will be more cost effective to shoot, unless you reload. Either one of them are going to be Very Noticeable in the field. I'd buy a 4 - 6" .357 or 44 mag for camping / hiking before a carbine, of any caliber. My brain is telling me to get a mini for that reason haha, but my heart is telling me to an M1 carbine because nostalgia. But at the same time, I don't want to use and abuse an potentially collectable USGI carbine, hence my question about the Kahr/AO reproduction. I've got a Glock 20 on the way for my go-to camping gun. The carbine would be for shits and giggles No nostalgia attached to an aftermarket M1 Carbine, Garand, or M14 clones such as the M1A. |
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Quoted: I have had no complaints with my Kahr/ Auto Ordinance for about 5 years now. I also looked at the "new" Inland Mfg LLC M1s at the NRA show and thought they looked nice. Inland M1 View Quote Are they being sold yet? |
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No nostalgia attached to an aftermarket M1 Carbine, Garand, or M14 clones such as the M1A. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The mini will be more cost effective to shoot, unless you reload. Either one of them are going to be Very Noticeable in the field. I'd buy a 4 - 6" .357 or 44 mag for camping / hiking before a carbine, of any caliber. My brain is telling me to get a mini for that reason haha, but my heart is telling me to an M1 carbine because nostalgia. But at the same time, I don't want to use and abuse an potentially collectable USGI carbine, hence my question about the Kahr/AO reproduction. I've got a Glock 20 on the way for my go-to camping gun. The carbine would be for shits and giggles No nostalgia attached to an aftermarket M1 Carbine, Garand, or M14 clones such as the M1A. Disagree to a point. While it's reduced, you can still get nostalgic from shooting other old repro or new production "old" guns. |
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Disagree to a point. While it's reduced, you can still get nostalgic from shooting other old repro or new production "old" guns. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No nostalgia attached to an aftermarket M1 Carbine, Garand, or M14 clones such as the M1A. Disagree to a point. While it's reduced, you can still get nostalgic from shooting other old repro or new production "old" guns. I think vellnueve's thinking is in-line with my own. I want a carbine like the ones of WW2, Korea, Vietnam without feeling bad if I shot the shit out of it. I mulled it over and I think I'm going to get a new barreled action and drop it in a USGI stock with some character. Thanks everyone! |
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I think vellnueve's thinking is in-line with my own. I want a carbine like the ones of WW2, Korea, Vietnam without feeling bad if I shot the shit out of it. I mulled it over and I think I'm going to get a new barreled action and drop it in a USGI stock with some character. Thanks everyone! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No nostalgia attached to an aftermarket M1 Carbine, Garand, or M14 clones such as the M1A. Disagree to a point. While it's reduced, you can still get nostalgic from shooting other old repro or new production "old" guns. I think vellnueve's thinking is in-line with my own. I want a carbine like the ones of WW2, Korea, Vietnam without feeling bad if I shot the shit out of it. I mulled it over and I think I'm going to get a new barreled action and drop it in a USGI stock with some character. Thanks everyone! There is no nostalgia attached to any aftermarket replica of anything. A kit car Cobra or GT 40 certainly has no nostalgia as they are reproductions of the original items, some of them executed very poorly. M1 Carbine repros were never carried into combat, no GI ever used one to defend himself. Not hating on you guys and you can, or course, buy what you want but just expressing my opinion that they are not M1 Carbines just as a kit car Cobra is not a Cobra. |
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As long as the gun runs well (surplus or commercial) I think it's a great idea.
It's going to be slimmer and lighter than a Mini. And for the intended use that is important. And 30 Carbine is super easy to reload for so ammo isn't really a concern. ETA: do you really want to take an original Carbine on a canoe trip??????? |
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I bought an AutoOrd to SBR
The finish on the receiver was a little rough The thing is reliable with the factory and surplus 15 round mags and surplus 30 round mags, so my SBR project is a "GO" |
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M1 Carbine repros were never carried into combat, no GI ever used one to defend himself. View Quote Chances are your "USGI" M1 carbine was never carried into combat, or used by a GI either. It either sat in a warehouse during WWII, or was rebuilt to the point that none of the original parts remain. |
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There is no nostalgia attached to any aftermarket replica of anything. A kit car Cobra or GT 40 certainly has no nostalgia as they are reproductions of the original items, some of them executed very poorly. M1 Carbine repros were never carried into combat, no GI ever used one to defend himself. Not hating on you guys and you can, or course, buy what you want but just expressing my opinion that they are not M1 Carbines just as a kit car Cobra is not a Cobra. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No nostalgia attached to an aftermarket M1 Carbine, Garand, or M14 clones such as the M1A. Disagree to a point. While it's reduced, you can still get nostalgic from shooting other old repro or new production "old" guns. I think vellnueve's thinking is in-line with my own. I want a carbine like the ones of WW2, Korea, Vietnam without feeling bad if I shot the shit out of it. I mulled it over and I think I'm going to get a new barreled action and drop it in a USGI stock with some character. Thanks everyone! There is no nostalgia attached to any aftermarket replica of anything. A kit car Cobra or GT 40 certainly has no nostalgia as they are reproductions of the original items, some of them executed very poorly. M1 Carbine repros were never carried into combat, no GI ever used one to defend himself. Not hating on you guys and you can, or course, buy what you want but just expressing my opinion that they are not M1 Carbines just as a kit car Cobra is not a Cobra. Nostalgia is nothing more than a feeling for the past. Any replica of something else can cause, or cure, nostalgia. It has nothing to do with authenticity. |
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Nostalgia is nothing more than a feeling for the past. Any replica of something else can cause, or cure, nostalgia. It has nothing to do with authenticity. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No nostalgia attached to an aftermarket M1 Carbine, Garand, or M14 clones such as the M1A. Disagree to a point. While it's reduced, you can still get nostalgic from shooting other old repro or new production "old" guns. I think vellnueve's thinking is in-line with my own. I want a carbine like the ones of WW2, Korea, Vietnam without feeling bad if I shot the shit out of it. I mulled it over and I think I'm going to get a new barreled action and drop it in a USGI stock with some character. Thanks everyone! There is no nostalgia attached to any aftermarket replica of anything. A kit car Cobra or GT 40 certainly has no nostalgia as they are reproductions of the original items, some of them executed very poorly. M1 Carbine repros were never carried into combat, no GI ever used one to defend himself. Not hating on you guys and you can, or course, buy what you want but just expressing my opinion that they are not M1 Carbines just as a kit car Cobra is not a Cobra. Nostalgia is nothing more than a feeling for the past. Any replica of something else can cause, or cure, nostalgia. It has nothing to do with authenticity. Yep, I know a great deal of Cowboy Action Shooters who would vehemently disagree with that statement. To say they can't feel nostalgic if they can't shoot an original Colt peacemaker and 1874 Winchester is simply absurd. Nostalgia is a feeling. While it very well may. Do nothing for you, that is about all you can say. Doc |
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Chances are your "USGI" M1 carbine was never carried into combat, or used by a GI either. It either sat in a warehouse during WWII, or was rebuilt to the point that none of the original parts remain. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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M1 Carbine repros were never carried into combat, no GI ever used one to defend himself. Chances are your "USGI" M1 carbine was never carried into combat, or used by a GI either. It either sat in a warehouse during WWII, or was rebuilt to the point that none of the original parts remain. M1 Carbines did not sit in warehouses during WWII. Both of mine still have the original parts. What you spout is nothing but pure speculation........"chances are"...........but what I posted contained no speculation and is absolute fact. |
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Nostalgia is nothing more than a feeling for the past. Any replica of something else can cause, or cure, nostalgia. It has nothing to do with authenticity. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No nostalgia attached to an aftermarket M1 Carbine, Garand, or M14 clones such as the M1A. Disagree to a point. While it's reduced, you can still get nostalgic from shooting other old repro or new production "old" guns. I think vellnueve's thinking is in-line with my own. I want a carbine like the ones of WW2, Korea, Vietnam without feeling bad if I shot the shit out of it. I mulled it over and I think I'm going to get a new barreled action and drop it in a USGI stock with some character. Thanks everyone! There is no nostalgia attached to any aftermarket replica of anything. A kit car Cobra or GT 40 certainly has no nostalgia as they are reproductions of the original items, some of them executed very poorly. M1 Carbine repros were never carried into combat, no GI ever used one to defend himself. Not hating on you guys and you can, or course, buy what you want but just expressing my opinion that they are not M1 Carbines just as a kit car Cobra is not a Cobra. Nostalgia is nothing more than a feeling for the past. Any replica of something else can cause, or cure, nostalgia. It has nothing to do with authenticity. Maybe for you. Not for those that appreciate the history of the real things. |
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As long as the gun runs well (surplus or commercial) I think it's a great idea. It's going to be slimmer and lighter than a Mini. And for the intended use that is important. And 30 Carbine is super easy to reload for so ammo isn't really a concern. ETA: do you really want to take an original Carbine on a canoe trip??????? View Quote I have Its a gun, getting some dirt on it isn't going to kill it just dont needlessly abuse it and it will do fine That said, if you want a gun that is more practical, mini or ar |
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Maybe for you. Not for those that appreciate the history of the real things. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think vellnueve's thinking is in-line with my own. I want a carbine like the ones of WW2, Korea, Vietnam without feeling bad if I shot the shit out of it. I mulled it over and I think I'm going to get a new barreled action and drop it in a USGI stock with some character. Thanks everyone! There is no nostalgia attached to any aftermarket replica of anything. A kit car Cobra or GT 40 certainly has no nostalgia as they are reproductions of the original items, some of them executed very poorly. M1 Carbine repros were never carried into combat, no GI ever used one to defend himself. Not hating on you guys and you can, or course, buy what you want but just expressing my opinion that they are not M1 Carbines just as a kit car Cobra is not a Cobra. Nostalgia is nothing more than a feeling for the past. Any replica of something else can cause, or cure, nostalgia. It has nothing to do with authenticity. Maybe for you. Not for those that appreciate the history of the real things. I've got six of the real things and I still think you can feel nostalgic with a reproduction. |
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No, not maybe for me. You obviously can't tell the difference between nostalgic and authentic collectible. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe for you. Not for those that appreciate the history of the real things. No, not maybe for me. You obviously can't tell the difference between nostalgic and authentic collectible. I am not the one who doesn't know the difference. Fakes do not induce nostalgia. |
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I am not the one who doesn't know the difference. Fakes do not induce nostalgia. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe for you. Not for those that appreciate the history of the real things. No, not maybe for me. You obviously can't tell the difference between nostalgic and authentic collectible. I am not the one who doesn't know the difference. Fakes do not induce nostalgia. I commend the authority with which you state objectively on a subjective matter. OP, original Carbines can be had for $700-$900. I see little reason to bother with the AO version. |
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I am not the one who doesn't know the difference. Fakes do not induce nostalgia. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe for you. Not for those that appreciate the history of the real things. No, not maybe for me. You obviously can't tell the difference between nostalgic and authentic collectible. I am not the one who doesn't know the difference. Fakes do not induce nostalgia. How the hell could you possibly know what evokes nostalgia in someone else's mind? Even looking at a picture or a drawing of something from the past can induce nostalgia. Hell, it doesn't even have to be visual. You could read something someone wrote. |
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How the hell could you possibly know what evokes nostalgia in someone else's mind? Even looking at a picture or a drawing of something from the past can induce nostalgia. Hell, it doesn't even have to be visual. You could read something someone wrote. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe for you. Not for those that appreciate the history of the real things. No, not maybe for me. You obviously can't tell the difference between nostalgic and authentic collectible. I am not the one who doesn't know the difference. Fakes do not induce nostalgia. How the hell could you possibly know what evokes nostalgia in someone else's mind? Even looking at a picture or a drawing of something from the past can induce nostalgia. Hell, it doesn't even have to be visual. You could read something someone wrote. Don't bother trying to argue with Larry G. He once said I should be killed because I had a Garand in .308 and not 30-06. He trolls this forum for any mention of M14 or AR10 so he can come into a thread and act superior on his "knowledge" of what these terms mean, while everyone quietly laughs and ignores him. |
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How the hell could you possibly know what evokes nostalgia in someone else's mind? Even looking at a picture or a drawing of something from the past can induce nostalgia. Hell, it doesn't even have to be visual. You could read something someone wrote. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe for you. Not for those that appreciate the history of the real things. No, not maybe for me. You obviously can't tell the difference between nostalgic and authentic collectible. I am not the one who doesn't know the difference. Fakes do not induce nostalgia. How the hell could you possibly know what evokes nostalgia in someone else's mind? Even looking at a picture or a drawing of something from the past can induce nostalgia. Hell, it doesn't even have to be visual. You could read something someone wrote. Because if a fake "evokes nostalgia" in someone's mind, they should just give up because they just don't get it. |
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Don't bother trying to argue with Larry G. He once said I should be killed because I had a Garand in .308 and not 30-06. He trolls this forum for any mention of M14 or AR10 so he can come into a thread and act superior on his "knowledge" of what these terms mean, while everyone quietly laughs and ignores him. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe for you. Not for those that appreciate the history of the real things. No, not maybe for me. You obviously can't tell the difference between nostalgic and authentic collectible. I am not the one who doesn't know the difference. Fakes do not induce nostalgia. How the hell could you possibly know what evokes nostalgia in someone else's mind? Even looking at a picture or a drawing of something from the past can induce nostalgia. Hell, it doesn't even have to be visual. You could read something someone wrote. Don't bother trying to argue with Larry G. He once said I should be killed because I had a Garand in .308 and not 30-06. He trolls this forum for any mention of M14 or AR10 so he can come into a thread and act superior on his "knowledge" of what these terms mean, while everyone quietly laughs and ignores him. Oh, you mean people that love to defend their stupidity and seem to be real proud of it. As for trolling this forum for any mention of AR10 or M14, you are absolutely full of shit, Talk about acting superior while really knowing nothing.........that would be you. As for saying you should be killed, that was a fucking joke. And you criticize me. And I do have more knowledge of what these terms mean. I can see why you would resent that. What, you follow me around with your bullshit because I hurt your widdle feelings once upon a time. Aw, poor baby. |
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Noatalgia : a sentimental longing or wistful affection for the past, typically for a place or period with happy associations.
The only possible person you can say what does and does not evoke nostalgia for is yourself. Everything else is just diarrhea of the mouth. Doc |
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Noatalgia : a sentimental longing or wistful affection for the past, typically for a place or period with happy associations. The only possible person you can say what does and does not evoke nostalgia for is yourself. Everything else is just diarrhea of the mouth. Doc View Quote No dude. Larry tells YOU what you feel. |
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A lot of purse swinging for a technical forum Surprised this one hasn't been nuked Go for the carbine. Lighter, handier, less noise than the Mini 14 |
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Wow A lot of purse swinging for a technical forum Surprised this one hasn't been nuked Go for the carbine. Lighter, handier, less noise than the Mini 14 View Quote Yep, sorry, shouldn't have gotten sucked into that one. Won't again. 30 cal carbine would make a dandy little self defense weapon. As long as the price is comparable for a new vs a "real" one, I think I would pick the WWII vintage. Doc |
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I have no idea, but I have had an urge to SBR an M1 carbine and would rather not use an original so this interests me somewhat. Something like this. <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ddr223/media/advisorscarbine1_zps8c095f62.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ddr223/advisorscarbine1_zps8c095f62.jpg</a> View Quote THAT is EXACTLY what I'm doing. It's already wearing the folder. As soon as the stamp arrives, into the headstock goes the barrel. Cut down to 11.5", then threaded 1/2x28 for a YHM 30 cal mount. Add the Phantom Ti, and much fun will result |
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OP, if you're worried about using a collectible carbine, find yourself an original is that is import marked. The collectors hate 'em for some reason. Only hing to watch is bore condition as some of them were abused pretty hard. I have a Century import (Israeli I think) Inland that with a mint bore that I love very much, even with the import mark.
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Thank you all for the input. I've been looking at a few USGI carbines local to me so hopefully I'll have one in my hands soon.
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