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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:52:58 PM EDT
A judge in Canada has cleared the way for a 27-year-old autistic woman to be euthanized despite objections from her dad, who says she's 'healthy' — just 'vulnerable' due to her mental health problems. In his ruling, Justice Colin Feasby acknowledged that the doctor-assisted death would cause the father 'profound grief,' but said the young woman's right to end her own life trumped his feelings. A publication ban protects the identities of the dad, the daughter, and her doctors. The father is referred to as WV, and she as MV. 'MV's dignity and right to self-determination outweighs the important matters raised by WV and the harm that he will suffer in losing MV,' Feasby wrote in his 34-page ruling, which was issued this week. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13244691/Alberta-judge-greenlights-euthanasia-autistic-woman-DESPITE-objection-dad.html |
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*EXTREMELY* torn on this! on one hand, I can see how someone might realize that they are truly fucked on having any form of normal life... on the other, the anguish of knowing that you are going to lose a loved one, regardless of how screwed they might be.
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It’s almost like the government is encouraging people to opt out of life. That free healthcare sure is awesome.
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Quoted: *EXTREMELY* torn on this! on one hand, I can see how someone might realize that they are truly fucked on having any form of normal life... on the other, the anguish of knowing that you are going to lose a loved one, regardless of how screwed they might be. View Quote I disagree. If they can recognize thier condition enough to want to kill themselves they are more high functioning than they think and are in a no different position than a "normal" person in a depressed state. |
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Title is wrong. The judge didn't make any judgement on what justifies the woman's suicide. Canadian law says you can get assisted-dying if you go through the certification process, which this woman had already done successfully. There is no legal mechanism for reviewing that certification (the judge was critical of this fact, suggesting it's an oversight in the system), so the judge had no option to rule that her reasons for assisted dying were insufficient. All he had to decide was whether a father could prevent his adult daughter from doing what she is otherwise legally entitled to do on the basis that he would be personally harmed in the form of grief. Judge said no.
We don't even know what the reasons were that she gave in the assisted dying certification process; we just know that she happens to have autism and ADHD and the father claims she doesn't have any other health conditions. |
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Quoted: *EXTREMELY* torn on this! on one hand, I can see how someone might realize that they are truly fucked on having any form of normal life... on the other, the anguish of knowing that you are going to lose a loved one, regardless of how screwed they might be. View Quote Thing is, no one considers that all of us have our challenges and "tests" on this planet where maybe our "test" and challenge is how we aid the less fortunate (this autistic woman) to be part of our society - not to kill it cuz it's gonna be an inconvenience. Evil, just pure evil out there.... |
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Quoted: Thing is, no one considers that all of us have our challenges and "tests" on this planet where maybe our "test" and challenge is how we aid the less fortunate (this autistic woman) to be part of our society - not to kill it cuz it's gonna be an inconvenience. Evil, just pure evil out there.... View Quote I am on the autistic spectrum, I have read of such people in Europe doing this. You can judge her, this situation, and yet at the same time you can’t because really, you don’t known what it’s like and the misery that comes from such a state. I myself consider my plight a curse, but for now, I keep going on, despite going through inhuman misery over these last few years, but I won’t judge this woman. |
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Quoted: I am on the autistic spectrum, I have read of such people in Europe doing this. You can judge her, this situation, and yet at the same time you can’t because really, you don’t known what it’s like and the misery that comes from such a state. I myself consider my plight a curse, but for now, I keep going on, despite going through inhuman misery over these last few years, but I won’t judge this woman. View Quote The right government agent psychologist could easily talk these folks into this... |
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Quoted: I am on the autistic spectrum, I have read of such people in Europe doing this. You can judge her, this situation, and yet at the same time you can’t because really, you don’t known what it’s like and the misery that comes from such a state. I myself consider my plight a curse, but for now, I keep going on, despite going through inhuman misery over these last few years, but I won’t judge this woman. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Thing is, no one considers that all of us have our challenges and "tests" on this planet where maybe our "test" and challenge is how we aid the less fortunate (this autistic woman) to be part of our society - not to kill it cuz it's gonna be an inconvenience. Evil, just pure evil out there.... I am on the autistic spectrum, I have read of such people in Europe doing this. You can judge her, this situation, and yet at the same time you can’t because really, you don’t known what it’s like and the misery that comes from such a state. I myself consider my plight a curse, but for now, I keep going on, despite going through inhuman misery over these last few years, but I won’t judge this woman. Sir, you’re in GD. One of the very few things our membership is well qualified to speak to is autism. That and CPAPs. |
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Quoted: A judge in Canada has cleared the way for a 27-year-old autistic woman to be euthanized despite objections from her dad, who says she's 'healthy' just 'vulnerable' due to her mental health problems. In his ruling, Justice Colin Feasby acknowledged that the doctor-assisted death would cause the father 'profound grief,' but said the young woman's right to end her own life trumped his feelings. A publication ban protects the identities of the dad, the daughter, and her doctors. The father is referred to as WV, and she as MV. 'MV's dignity and right to self-determination outweighs the important matters raised by WV and the harm that he will suffer in losing MV,' Feasby wrote in his 34-page ruling, which was issued this week. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13244691/Alberta-judge-greenlights-euthanasia-autistic-woman-DESPITE-objection-dad.html View Quote |
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Quoted: Its a necessary component of free healthcare. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: It's almost like the government is encouraging people to opt out of life. That free healthcare sure is awesome. Its a necessary component of free healthcare. |
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I can't judge someone else because I can't live in their head. I can however judge someone that leads a vulnerable person down the wrong path.
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As the father of an autistic child, I cannot comment on what I would do to that doctor and judge
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Her life, her rules?
If she ate a bullet or some pills, nobody here would know of it. Only because it’s assisted is it even here. I disagree with her choice but it’s her choice to make. I feel absolutely heartbroken for her father though. I hope he can make some inroads before it goes much further |
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Quoted: Her life, her rules? If she ate a bullet or some pills, nobody here would know of it. Only because it’s assisted is it even here. I disagree with her choice but it’s her choice to make. I feel absolutely heartbroken for her father though. I hope he can make some inroads before it goes much further View Quote If she ate a bullet, Canada would arrest her father for allowing access to the gun. |
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Quoted: Her life, her rules? If she ate a bullet or some pills, nobody here would know of it. Only because it’s assisted is it even here. I disagree with her choice but it’s her choice to make. I feel absolutely heartbroken for her father though. I hope he can make some inroads before it goes much further View Quote You can't kill yourself. That's illegal. |
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Quoted: I am on the autistic spectrum, I have read of such people in Europe doing this. You can judge her, this situation, and yet at the same time you can’t because really, you don’t known what it’s like and the misery that comes from such a state. I myself consider my plight a curse, but for now, I keep going on, despite going through inhuman misery over these last few years, but I won’t judge this woman. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Thing is, no one considers that all of us have our challenges and "tests" on this planet where maybe our "test" and challenge is how we aid the less fortunate (this autistic woman) to be part of our society - not to kill it cuz it's gonna be an inconvenience. Evil, just pure evil out there.... I am on the autistic spectrum, I have read of such people in Europe doing this. You can judge her, this situation, and yet at the same time you can’t because really, you don’t known what it’s like and the misery that comes from such a state. I myself consider my plight a curse, but for now, I keep going on, despite going through inhuman misery over these last few years, but I won’t judge this woman. Helen Keller was def/blind - yet, she found a way to exist without blowing her brains out....back in a time when we didn't have the technology, medicine, etc. we have now. I get it, unless you're in someone's shoes you can't know what's going on with them - but this is freakin' 2024. While modern medicine can't save everyone, I don't believe so casually throwing suicide as a resolution to everything. |
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Quoted: Helen Keller was def/blind - yet, she found a way to exist without blowing her brains out....back in a time when we didn't have the technology, medicine, etc. we have now. I get it, unless you're in someone's shoes you can't know what's going on with them - but this is freakin' 2024. While modern medicine can't save everyone, I don't believe so casually throwing suicide as a resolution to everything. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Thing is, no one considers that all of us have our challenges and "tests" on this planet where maybe our "test" and challenge is how we aid the less fortunate (this autistic woman) to be part of our society - not to kill it cuz it's gonna be an inconvenience. Evil, just pure evil out there.... I am on the autistic spectrum, I have read of such people in Europe doing this. You can judge her, this situation, and yet at the same time you can’t because really, you don’t known what it’s like and the misery that comes from such a state. I myself consider my plight a curse, but for now, I keep going on, despite going through inhuman misery over these last few years, but I won’t judge this woman. Helen Keller was def/blind - yet, she found a way to exist without blowing her brains out....back in a time when we didn't have the technology, medicine, etc. we have now. I get it, unless you're in someone's shoes you can't know what's going on with them - but this is freakin' 2024. While modern medicine can't save everyone, I don't believe so casually throwing suicide as a resolution to everything. You had to go and bring up Helen Keller, didn't you. There goes this thread. |
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Jesus… That’s just awful all around.
Y’all remember the south park episode where stan’s grandpa was trying to kill himself? The one where the kids ask several people about assisted suicide, until they decided to ask Jesus, whom answered, “My son… I’m not touching that with a sixty foot pole.” This kind of situation is exactly why. |
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Quoted: Helen Keller was def/blind - yet, she found a way to exist without blowing her brains out....back in a time when we didn't have the technology, medicine, etc. we have now. I get it, unless you're in someone's shoes you can't know what's going on with them - but this is freakin' 2024. While modern medicine can't save everyone, I don't believe so casually throwing suicide as a resolution to everything. View Quote I think you have a point, just at the same time, so few people are on that spectrum, they don't know what it's like. There is variance even among people who are on the autistic spectrum of course, that's why it is called a spectrum. |
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Quoted: Her life, her rules? If she ate a bullet or some pills, nobody here would know of it. Only because it’s assisted is it even here. I disagree with her choice but it’s her choice to make. I feel absolutely heartbroken for her father though. I hope he can make some inroads before it goes much further View Quote Fucking beautiful. The notion that the state’s doctors can talk your mentally challenged children into killing themselves and then helping them along framed as freedom. Chef kiss. Just perfection. |
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Quoted: How soon until the involuntary killings? It's the next step. View Quote Eventually the only people the Canadian health care system will cover will be the young and fit. If you're old, sick, or it costs too much to keep you alive, then you'll be on your own. |
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At one point in my life I begged God to kill me. Bad times ensued. I nearly ended up homeless. My health was horrible.
But 7 years after my pleading, He blessed me with a wonderful wife and a wonderful life. |
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Quoted: Fucking beautiful. The notion that the state’s doctors can talk your mentally challenged children into killing themselves and then helping them along framed as freedom. Chef kiss. Just perfection. View Quote The article says she's autistic, not non-functionally retarded. I don't agree with her decision, but she was deemed capable of making it. |
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View Quote Indeed. Ironically, Hans Asperger was involved. I find this story sad. People fight, give up, look to end it, hunker down and endure it. Here is a woman who feels like her best option is death. That's on society. Euthanasia is not support. |
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Quoted: Canada will soon mandate end-of-care for the "terminally ill". If you have something the doctors don't think you will be able to easily recover from then they will pull the plug by cutting off the money. Eventually the only people the Canadian health care system will cover will be the young and fit. If you're old, sick, or it costs too much to keep you alive, then you'll be on your own. View Quote Hopefully the young and fit realize what their fate is and make some political changes. |
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Jack Kevorkian may have worked out of a van. But he at least only “worked with” terminally ill patients
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As someone raising a son on the spectrum......I would go scorched earth.
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