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Posted: 6/21/2006 4:00:54 PM EDT
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I bought two of the stainless mags. One I've been babying and the other I've been trying to destroy. I've dropped it, kicked it across the range, tossed it into the air, intentionally dropped it repeatedly on the feed lips and have driven over it with an Excursion. I have to say that I'm impressed with how much abuse this mag has taken. It won't drop free from the rifle and the follower doesn't run as smoothly as it did originally. But the mag still works fine in both semi- and full-auto and still locks the bolt back, etc.
After I abuse the mag some more, I'll start a new thread detailing what I've done. |
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Posted: 6/21/2006 4:11:17 PM EDT
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I guess my favorite part about these (beside the spring, follower and finish common to all CP mags) is that they are strong SS but MUUUUCH lighter than my SA80 mags, either pre-ban or HK.
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Posted: 6/22/2006 5:59:22 PM EDT
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Dude, those are some really pretty rocks!!
Oh, I'm sorry, is this a mag thread? 
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Posted: 6/22/2006 6:37:53 PM EDT
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I've seen it all now! Look at that water bead!
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Posted: 6/23/2006 4:57:18 AM EDT
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No kidding. They kind of look like a pile of jelly beans.  
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Posted: 6/23/2006 11:00:48 AM EDT
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I just finished a 5 day class. I used 3 of these mags wiothout any problems. They held up to quite a beating. I highly recommend them
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Posted: 6/23/2006 12:03:31 PM EDT
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now I wish I had gotten in on that father's day special
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Posted: 6/23/2006 1:05:00 PM EDT
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Me too! TS |
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Posted: 6/23/2006 1:07:18 PM EDT
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when is mother's day? |
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Posted: 6/23/2006 7:51:20 PM EDT
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About 11 months away or something. Surely there's a holiday between now and then...  TS |
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Posted: 6/24/2006 3:18:57 AM EDT
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Is there a way to tell the SS mags from the Aluminum mags. I ordered 10 aluminum amgs and one SS to check it out. Its hard for me to tell the diff. I ordered all of them with the Black marlube finnish and grey followers. There is one follower marked different. It has 5.56 across the front of the follower. Is that my SS mag. The weight is really close for me to tell the differance. Honestly. I got heavy hands I guess. TIA WarDawg
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Posted: 6/24/2006 3:40:45 AM EDT
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Check for the steel mags with a magnet. |
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Posted: 6/24/2006 3:57:09 AM EDT
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Is there a way to tell the SS mags from the Aluminum mags. I ordered 10 aluminum amgs and one SS to check it out. Its hard for me to tell the diff. I ordered all of them with the Black marlube finnish and grey followers. There is one follower marked different. It has 5.56 across the front of the follower. Is that my SS mag. The weight is really close for me to tell the differance. Honestly. I got heavy hands I guess. TIA WarDawg
The follower marked "5.56" is the stainless steel. That is the new Gen II follower being made by Magpul exclusively for the C Products stainless steel magazine. Larry C Products |
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Posted: 6/24/2006 3:58:52 AM EDT
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About 11 months away or something. Surely there's a holiday between now and then...
TS TS, There's July 4th and a sale is going on. Larry C Products |
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Posted: 6/24/2006 5:21:19 AM EDT
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Thank you for the replys. I thought the 5.56 follower was it. They are still in the wrap . But they sure look good. WarDawg |
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Posted: 6/24/2006 6:08:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2006 8:56:39 AM EDT
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Midway USA has these mags in stock for $17.99 each.
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Posted: 6/24/2006 1:04:25 PM EDT
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I might have to take part in the celebration with a few more SS mags! TS |
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Posted: 6/24/2006 9:43:14 PM EDT
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I got my six SS mags in the other day. These are STELLAR!! A bargin at the price!
Thanks Larry! Great product! |
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Posted: 6/25/2006 1:35:19 PM EDT
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You can't beat aluminum. I have some D&H that are cheap and work perfect.
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Posted: 6/25/2006 4:16:19 PM EDT
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These are only slightly more expensive than a new aluminum mag but are much more durable. These new steel mags seem to be ideal for duty/service use. |
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Posted: 6/25/2006 4:29:20 PM EDT
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Stainless about $18 / Aluminum about $10
Stainless cost more, weight more and tend to crack. |
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Posted: 6/25/2006 5:28:09 PM EDT
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Uh, no... TS |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 2:12:26 AM EDT
[#24]
There has been a problem with stainless cracking and they do weight more.
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Posted: 6/26/2006 3:08:19 AM EDT
[#25]
There has been a problem with stainless cracking and they do weight more.
Steve, C Products, at least to my knowledge, is the only company to have ever made a stainless steel 5.56/.223 - 30 round magazine. We have never experienced or heard of one of our magazines cracking, NEVER! You are correct with one thing, that they weigh more...1.6 ounces, barely noticable. Larry C Products |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 3:56:38 AM EDT
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Hi Larry,
Cracking in the feed lip area has been a problem with stainless mags due to the hardness of the steel. What grade of stainless do you use for your magazines ? An aluminum mag weights about 3.7 oz. What does your mag weight ? Thanks |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 4:21:36 AM EDT
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The vaunted HK mags will crack with some abuse. So far, no cracks in my C Products mag. And I've been trying to crack it! |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 4:42:38 AM EDT
[#28]
And HK mags aren't stainless. TS |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 4:58:14 AM EDT
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Hi Larry,
Cracking in the feed lip area has been a problem with stainless mags due to the hardness of the steel. What grade of stainless do you use for your magazines ? An aluminum mag weights about 3.7 oz. What does your mag weight ? Thanks Steve, Our 30 round aluminum magazines weigh 4.2 ounces. It will vary due to the tolerance in thickness of material. The SS magazine weigh 5.8-6.0. They are a 400 series. Heat treated to 38 Rc. The objection I have to your post is that maybe some other stainless steel magazine had problems with cracking, but ours never have and I don't ever see it happening. One agencies test is to drop our magazine fully loaded 6 foot on the feed lips. So far we have never had a failure. They have even driven over it unloaded with a truck and it fired flawlessly when reloaded. Larry C Products |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 8:53:24 AM EDT
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If the Border Patrol can't break one, nobody can!
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Posted: 6/26/2006 12:25:50 PM EDT
[#31]
Hi Larry,
The objection I have to your reply is not specifying the grade of stainless. 400 series does not tell me much. That could be from good to not so good. There has been cracking of feed lips and cracking along the welds of stainless mags. I was speaking of stainless mags in general. Your stainless mags have not been on the market long enough to have a track record good or bad at this point. I'm sure your intentions are good I hope that will be enough. Thanks |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 1:01:11 PM EDT
[#32]
Hi Larry,
The objection I have to your reply is not specifying the grade of stainless. 400 series does not tell me much. That could be from good to not so good. There has been cracking of feed lips and cracking along the welds of stainless mags. I was speaking of stainless mags in general. Your stainless mags have not been on the market long enough to have a track record good or bad at this point. I'm sure your intentions are good I hope that will be enough. Thanks Steve, Explain to me what the difference would be if it were 410 stainless or 430? When you post a general statement in a thread that is dealing with a specific magazine it is extremely misleading. What magazines were you referring to? Our stainless steel magazines have been out for over 6 months. How long do you think it would take for the type of problem you are referring to, to happen? We have stainless steel magazines that have 5,000 up to 10,000 rounds fired with no problem. The abuse tests that our mags have been subjected to are far beyond what most mags could tolerate and they have passed them all. No cracking of feed lips or along the welds. I am not trying to be argumentative, just want to know what your criteria or what test needs to be performed before you say its a good magazine. Larry C Products |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 1:20:57 PM EDT
[#33]
Which stainless mags experienced cracking? If not the CProducts, then which mags are you speaking of?
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Posted: 6/26/2006 3:38:59 PM EDT
[#34]
Hi Larry, Here is my reply
Explain to me what the difference would be if it were 410 stainless or 430? The fact that you ask that question concerns me. 410 and 430 are two different types of stainless for two different applications. When you post a general statement in a thread that is dealing with a specific magazine it is extremely misleading. I think aluminum is better due to cost, but I was interested in stainless mags due to strength. I didn't know you were afraid to talk about the issues concerning stainless. The thread was concerning stainless mags. What magazines were you referring to? The name of the manufacturer is not the issue here (it was not Cproducts) unless your mags are a re-brand and happen to be the brand in question. Our stainless steel magazines have been out for over 6 months. How long do you think it would take for the type of problem you are referring to, to happen? We have stainless steel magazines that have 5,000 up to 10,000 rounds fired with no problem. The abuse tests that our mags have been subjected to are far beyond what most mags could tolerate and they have passed them all. No cracking of feed lips or along the welds. 6 MO. is not a very long time. I have no idea how many have been tested or what your test criteria is. I am not trying to be argumentative, just want to know what your criteria or what test needs to be performed before you say its a good magazine. I had heard and seen bad things about stainless. Why are yours better and why should I buy? They have even driven over it unloaded with a truck and it fired flawlessly when reloaded. I do not believe this will work. What is your warranty? If I set an unloaded mag. on my concrete driveway and run over it with my pick-up and it still works flawlessly I will only buy Cproducts stainless mags from now on. If it does not I want all my money back including shipping both ways. I will post the results good or bad and not charge you for my time testing your mags. Thanks |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 3:56:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/26/2006 4:13:14 PM EDT
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Just to set the record straight on the "driven over it unloaded with a truck" test, I placed the mag lengthwise on the hard packed dirt/gravel in the parking lot at our local PD range and then had my partner run over it with the back passenger tire of a Service Ford Excursion. The mag body did get compressed slightly, as the feed lips are closer together now than on the other SS mag I have. Also, the base plate tabs are tweaked a little and the base plate isn't as tight as it originally was. That's also partially from being repeatedly dropped onto a concrete floor while fully loaded. The follower drags a little inside the mag tube now but still functions properly when used. I do note that the seams on the front and back of the mag are bent a tiny bit from flush in two spots but the spot welds have held. If you doubt the functionality/durability of the C Products mag, why not spend the $18.00 bucks and try to kill one like I've done? I think you'll be very surprised with just how tough these mags are. Unless, of course, you're a total pessimist and already have your mind made up. I think these will prove to be about the best deal going for an AR mag! |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 4:16:10 PM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 6:37:17 PM EDT
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I'm not taking sides here, but it actually is relevant to know which mags you are talking about. A link or reference would be helpful also, if you have one.
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Posted: 6/26/2006 6:56:41 PM EDT
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Damn buy your self one and try it out. Test it. Geesh........................... 
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Posted: 6/26/2006 7:52:24 PM EDT
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They have even driven over it unloaded with a truck and it fired flawlessly when reloaded.
I believe it would be a waste of time and $ to drive over Larry's mag. It will not function flawlessly after. However if Larry takes me up on the challenge then I know he has confidence in his product and I will give it a try. If not then I have my answer and I'm done with this. Geesh........................... |
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Posted: 6/26/2006 10:06:16 PM EDT
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nevermind...
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Posted: 6/27/2006 3:04:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2006 3:45:43 AM EDT
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Read my posts above! |
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Posted: 6/27/2006 4:02:42 AM EDT
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Rear my posts above!
Geesh........................... |
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Posted: 6/27/2006 4:25:36 AM EDT
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The follower drags a little inside the mag tube now but still functions properly when used.
Thanks, but this is not flawless. imo That mag will fail. I may buy one of these and test it, because of your recommendation. However I may not run over it, that is asking alot. Thanks! |
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Posted: 6/27/2006 5:03:27 AM EDT
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What's not flawless about this? Yeah, the follower drags a little but the mag will still feed with 100% reliability in both full- and semi-auto. The follower still moves freely enough to lock the bolt open, too.
Dude, what's your problem??? If you have no evidence to back up your claims about "mags will fail," or "mags will crack," then go someplace else. It looks to me like all you're doing is fishing for a free magazine by complaining about something that hasn't happened. In all likeliness, if C Products were to send you a magazine to try, you'd smash it with a sledge hammer or shoot a couple holes in it and then post here that the magazine failed. I'm sure all here would agree that you've already decided that these magazine are junk. Obviously the mags will fail if given enough abuse. What won't? Your rifle will also fail if you beat the crap out of it. Try doing any of the things I've done to an aluminum magazine and see what happens. |
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Posted: 6/27/2006 6:22:34 AM EDT
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Being run over by a vehicle is not even a good test. They're not made to jack up trucks or prevent them from rolling. They are made to feed a rifle. A magazine needs to be able to survive reasonable rough handling and still function reliably. If a magazine can survive being run over by a vehicle and still function - that's worth noting but not a fair or reasonable test for a magazine.
I have a few of the CProducts stainless magazines. I haven't had a chance to test them extensively but like them so far. I don't know that I'll buy another aluminum mag. Larry's stainless mags are heavier duty and seem to be cut and formed better (more precisely) than the aluminum ones I have. I have heard of stainless pistol mags cracking in the past. I doubt that applies here. |
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Posted: 6/27/2006 6:27:55 AM EDT
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You have no evidence to back up your claims about me.
I guess Larry can't defend himself and sent you in. A few questions you fall apart and start taking cheap shots. Thanks for your professionalism Cproducts and all your help MJ |
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Posted: 6/27/2006 7:00:18 AM EDT
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You have no evidence to back up your claims about me.
I guess Larry can't defend himself and sent you in. A few questions you fall apart and start taking cheap shots. Thanks for your professionalism Cproducts and all your help MJ Steve, I do not need anyone to defend my product. My product defends itself. I have treated you fairly and have not taken a cheap shot, yet you want to lump me into a post from someone else. Now that is a cheap shot. I have answered your questions, yet you have not answered mine or anyone else's. 410 SS versus 430 SS? What magazines are you referring to? Larry C Products |
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Posted: 6/27/2006 7:07:07 AM EDT
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I think that about sums it up.
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