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Posted: 9/11/2005 3:51:09 PM EDT
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Overhead costs are all of our problems, its part of the manufacturing, wholesaling, and retailing costs . . . . . so WE all pay extra because of them  BTW: I want it all for free also 
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Posted: 9/11/2005 3:54:50 PM EDT
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I truly think all the Vendors of AR-15.COM do one hell of a job for us the buyers.
My hat goes off to you. I truly mean that. |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 3:56:34 PM EDT
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My name is Elmer J. Fudd. I own a mansion and a yatch.
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Posted: 9/11/2005 3:58:25 PM EDT
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To go even deeper, the general problem with American society is that EVERYONE feels they are owed something! They didn't work for it and or pay for it, but they still feel it belongs to them. The other thing I see is that people don't want companies to do well (this thread is a prime example). Consumers want the product for cost, a life time warranty and you had better answer the phone at 0300 Sunday to take their complaint! This truly amazes me to say the least.
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Posted: 9/11/2005 4:02:54 PM EDT
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Stupidity has no limits. |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 4:09:21 PM EDT
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Ya know, niche markets almost always come with attendant higher prices (for reasons very clearly elucidated by other posters in this thread.)
Be glad that an AR receiver isn't a piece of medical equipment. If it was, it would probably cost $500.  Here's an example: Miltex RABINER Neurological Hammer 9" $78.15 !!!! Ya think the tolerances on this thing are tighter than those on an AR receiver??? Oh, yeah....F-Bomber--please do post pics of that AR you say you want to build when you get it done. I won't be holding my breath. Link 
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Posted: 9/11/2005 4:11:11 PM EDT
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You mean a Doctor is going to hit someone on the brain with that 
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Posted: 9/11/2005 4:23:10 PM EDT
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I am still looking for the chuck to my $90.00 drill press. It fell off again while I was'nt in my shop, therefore I have no idea where it rolled to this time. I don't think anything will fall off my AR and I hope none of it's parts were made in the same factory as the drill press!
By the way, with all the jobs going to China and goods being made so inexpensively, why have'nt we seen a much greater reduction in price when the goods get back here in the states. It's like the other day I bought a can opener, american name on it but manufactured in china , still cost 25 bucks! |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 4:26:08 PM EDT
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As someone that works in firearms manufacturing, the markup isn't that great. You should consider a $100 AR receiver a steal compared to what it takes to manufacture it.
Consider that you have to buy the forging, time on a CNC for the different steps to machine it, prep for annodizing, annodizing, shipping. Be grateful that receivers only cost about 1 bill. |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 4:32:44 PM EDT
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No, it's just for testing reflexes.....although I could probably think of a few people whose brains need a few whacks.
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Posted: 9/11/2005 4:33:21 PM EDT
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Last I checked, there weren't groups of fairly well-funded people out there who make their living suing the shit out of drill press manufacturers, or lobbying for congress to pass restrictions on the manufacturing of drill presses, bits and other components, or passing excise taxes for press receivers.
The two industries are completely different, even without getting into machining vs casting, and labor rates between different countries of manufacture. |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 4:44:14 PM EDT
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Some people just need to go buy Airsoft accessories and STFU.
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Posted: 9/11/2005 4:46:06 PM EDT
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AMEN. A truer statement could not have been made. |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 4:50:06 PM EDT
[#14]
You Sneak--Your doin the focus groups again lol |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 4:52:11 PM EDT
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I'll take two, Sir.! |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 4:54:35 PM EDT
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The one thing noone has mentioned is a large part of the LEGAL INDUSTRY that affects us all. Buy a machine shop, cut your own lower. TRY to quote product liability insurance. If you can get a quote at all it is a big percentage of manufacture costs. I can't sepak for all those in the biz but insurance costs for both property and product involved in firearms manufacture is not cheap. S397 or not, prices of it will not go down, as they already established they can get it. The chinese drill press is a. loose as a 1-7/8 trailer ball in a 2 inch hitch receiver brand new b. loud and clunky c. if it was a rifle you'd be on here b*****ing about the fit and finish being so poor and absolutely no accuracy d. is basically disposable. Try to do an 80% lower on that drill press without a jig and you will see exactly what I am talking about. Its an unfair comparison. Match me up to a Clausing 20 inch Variable speed drill press with a Morse taper shank and see how we do.
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Posted: 9/11/2005 5:11:55 PM EDT
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AR parts are expensive...since when.When I compare to the spare parts for my M14 type rifle AR parts are a steal.Besides Bolts ay have gone up in price maybe $10 in the last 13 years.I think some manufacturers parts like colt are way over priced but there are good quality parts to be had equal to Colt for less.RRA is one of them.
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Posted: 9/11/2005 5:32:33 PM EDT
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Forget that medical stuff. If it's NFPA compliant(for fire fighting) it would cost 2 grand. If it's for "homeland security" tack on another grand. |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 6:09:35 PM EDT
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C4 is the guy to quote today... Isn't this how we got this country in the first place??? OOOH!!! LOOK!!!! A new country!!! MINE!!! What's this??? INDIANS!!!??? You owe me your land! What? You wanna fight me for it? HA!!! My gun shoots farther than your Arrows!!! Wheres your GOLD!!! CORN??!!! This isn't gold!!! I said GOLD!!! What's this??? BRITIAN??!!! NOOO!!! This land is OURS!!! You wanna fight too??? OKAY, BRING IT ON!!!! Ring Ring... What... Return?? It's 0300 Sunday Morning!!! I just got through fighting the indians AND the Brits!!! Yeah yeah, I'll take the loss, send it back. NO!!! don't order from my business again you ASS!!! I drank too much Mountain Dew... 
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Posted: 9/11/2005 6:14:13 PM EDT
[#20]
HeHe Psychotic Break...Great lol |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 6:18:32 PM EDT
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Why does a gallon of bottled water cost more than a gallon of gasoline..................................................................oh, wait, never mind.
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Posted: 9/11/2005 6:25:56 PM EDT
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This thread ranks right up there with the one in the EE where some dingbat called a Wilson CQB an 'off-brand pistol'.
If nothing else, it's entertaining, though. |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 6:28:52 PM EDT
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The metal stuff, I can understand. A lot of quality control goes into those things, in addition to machining time.
What blows my mind is I want some Magpul Textured rail panels and it'd cost me $80 fucking dollars to cover my rails... that's just bullshit. It's molded rubber, why the hell isn't someone making these things for $1 a piece and still making $.90 profit??? |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 6:32:05 PM EDT
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Really!!! I missed that one. As a CQB owner I would have ate his lunch! C4 MY PRECIOUS!!!! 
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Posted: 9/11/2005 6:33:03 PM EDT
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FYI, the molds (at a minimum) are like $10k a pop. C4 |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 6:34:55 PM EDT
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Cause it's a special rubber that doesn't melt when your handguard heats up. they are also made to exacting specs, so they fit your handguard. 10.00 dollars a piece or more! ... Or wear a glove...
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Posted: 9/11/2005 6:37:58 PM EDT
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and they dont dissolve when cleaning your gun. quit your bitchin and get some POS airsoft ones for a $6 www.airsoftatlanta.com/custom.htm |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 6:42:04 PM EDT
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+1 The tooling to make the covers in big cash. And very few companies have the tooling. Rail covers are an expensive item per unit for what they are. (Not the fault of Magpul) There is very little competition in the area of "manufacturing" rail panel covers and competition is what drives market pricing. I think (?) only one or two companies actually "manufacture" rubber panel covers. |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 6:44:52 PM EDT
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Bottom of page 1 is where it starts: idiot's comment was edited out, but not until the seller quoted him. Hilarity ensues. archive.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=88&t=203426 <--worried about the fact that he can remember stuff that happened at ARFCOM almost a year ago..... |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 6:50:54 PM EDT
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Hmm I didn't realize that it was my buddy Scott. I have personally shot this weapon and is the reason why I bought mine (actually it was a gift from my lovely wife). That guys comment is SO ignorant that I just have to quote it for all to see:
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Posted: 9/11/2005 7:05:01 PM EDT
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Has anyone blamed it on TBK1 yet? I hear everything is his fault
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Posted: 9/11/2005 7:16:35 PM EDT
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I realize that the low production numbers and high degree of precision is the cause for the high prices. But, damn, $100 iron sights and especially higher end FF tubes that cost $500+ are just crazy. Pretty soon the whole gun costs a few grand to put together. It seems like the whole process could be simplified, without needing to bolt all these things to the gun that cost mucho dinero (FF tube... $500!! ACOG... $800!! Ooh you need a mount for that... $100!! How 'bout some super duper sling swivels... $80 each! Come on, they're *precision*! Forward pistol grip... $100!! I mean, come on, it's super duper, it's *HOLLOW*!!! You can put batteries in it or something!! New collapsible stock... $200!! Seriously, it costs us that much to make one that doesn't rattle!
 )It just doesn't make sense to me sometimes. An ARMS BUIS will sell for $100. But you can get a complete CMT upper with ARMS sight for $425 (Bravo Co. was selling them at $375 on sale). That seems awful cheap. But, whatever. I buy what I can afford and enjoy it. I'm glad my money is going to people in the good US of A. PS. - Plus I don't think it costs anywhere near $800 to make an ACOG. |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 7:25:14 PM EDT
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What's your life worth?
What happens when your drill fails? Kick it, curse it, but in the end, you just go to the store for another. What happens when your gun fails? You'll be going places, alright, but not while still vertical. Quality, reliability, preparedness comes with a price. |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 7:40:10 PM EDT
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If you want to bring down the cost for AR15 parts then petition the president to overturn the import ban to create more serious competition in the 5.56 military style rifle market.
An true open buyers market is the best way to keep prices down and quality up Just imagine what a GM car would cost if there were no Accords, Audi's , or Sonata's A little fact of economics, especially American Economics, when there is no competition, prices are gouged. Just ask your cable company or local utilities. And no RRA vs Colt vs Bushmaster isnt real competition. That is like saying Hess vs Exxon vs Texaco is competition. |
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Posted: 9/11/2005 7:56:05 PM EDT
[#35]
This idiot is so arrogant he quoted himself. Please don't do anymore posts, F-whatever. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 1:16:21 AM EDT
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tg
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Posted: 9/12/2005 2:18:19 AM EDT
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 Get a different hobby. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 5:14:33 AM EDT
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I can't beleive this thread went 6 pages without somebody saying it:
It's all Bush's fault..... Actually, we can get the truth out in the open now, there is only one manufacturer of all AR parts, Halliburton. They disguise themselves as Colt, CMT, LMT etc and they ARE making Mr. Cheney a fortune gouging every single AR and AR parts part customer. F-whatever, you have two options: 1. Take a college econ course and report back when you actually understand the material and concepts. 2. STFU and open your own MFG factory. If there is that much $$ to be made, you can laugh in all of our faces in a few years when you are retired.... Carry on... |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 5:21:38 AM EDT
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+1 Hahahaha, that is great.
I'm new to the hobby of firearms, so I can't say I have an extended experience with the firearms industry. I do get a little off put by the costs of some parts and completes, but no one said this hobby was cheap. I also understand that things that are well made and in small quantities are going to be more expensive then some giant machine that pumps out 1000 items per second (slight exaggeration). You are the consumer, you have the ultimate power. If you do a little foot work and search around you will find deals. I work hard for my money, and I have the FREEDOM to spend it how ever I please, at whatever dealer/gunshop I so choose. I also know that if you visit most establishments frequently they will hook you up with discounts/deals. Most dealers/shops (at least ones I have talked to here) are out to make people happy and keep there customer base. It is in their best interest to make the customer happy, and sometimes that is more then just selling a product and walking away. If things are too expensive, you have two options. Start making your own or become rich. BTW: Walmart buys 100,000 pallets of an item, so they can afford to charge $1 for an item, where as a small company may charge $5. I don't know how comparing a giant corp with one guy in a small shop, two completely different situations. ^_^_^ |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 5:30:14 AM EDT
[#40]
WTFPWNED!!!! Nice.
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Posted: 9/12/2005 5:35:43 AM EDT
[#41]
F-Bomber <-----
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Posted: 9/12/2005 5:36:58 AM EDT
[#42]
Yep, every dealer I've met drives a Bentley, lives in a 60,000 sg ft mansion, lights fat stogies with $100 bills and eats caviar like candy. Why do you think I want to be a dealer so badly????
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Posted: 9/12/2005 6:00:15 AM EDT
[#43]
Actually someone did, on the first page of this thread. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 9:35:10 AM EDT
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Go play with your SKS and AK and leave us alone.
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Posted: 9/12/2005 10:27:29 AM EDT
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+1 ROTFLMAO! You forgot to mention that Haliburton owns this site too! |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 10:54:54 AM EDT
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One of the best gems here: The Nissan Titan is manufactured in CANTON, MISSISSIPPI. I guess he didn't look at the percentage of US-made parts that went into it when he bought it either. The engine and many of the other parts are manufactured in Tennessee. My advice on how expensive AR's are or aren't: Think about the following: Why is chewing gum cheap? Because you buy it, throw it away, and will come back for more. Why are homes expensive? Because you tend to buy one and only buy one. Maybe you'll be wealthy and buy multiple homes. Generally, buying a home is not a daily transaction for most of us, so it's a costly thing, but it doesn't happen over and over like buying bubble gum, and you keep them. AR's and AR parts? It's been well explained why they cost what they do. AR's fit somewhere on the scale between homes and bubble gum. You aren't going to throw most of the parts you buy for them away. You're gonna keep them. If you spend $200 for that collapsing stock, you now have a stock that will likely last you forever. That's $200 you don't have to spend on a stock ever again. So if you buy your dream AR and outfit it with all the stuff you want, you might end up dropping $2000. But when you're done you have what you want, if you really thought it all over, and then you shouldn't have to buy anything again, unless you decide to build a different toy. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 10:57:23 AM EDT
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You mean you actually bought an over glorified Kimber??? 
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Posted: 9/12/2005 10:58:06 AM EDT
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And that's where BRD takes over....... 
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:18:08 AM EDT
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CAPITALISM
Definition of Capitalism "Capitalism" is conventionally defined along economic terms such as the following: An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market. Source: Dictionary.com This is an example of a definition by non-essentials. An essential definition of capitalism is a political definition: Capitalism is a social system based on the principle of individual rights. Source: Capitalism.org In order to have an economic system in which "production and distribution are privately or corporately owned", you must have individual rights and specifically property rights. The only way to have an economic system fitting the first definition is to have a political system fitting the second definition. The first is an implication of the second. Because the second, political, definition is fundamental and the cause of the first, it is the more useful definition and is preferable. Because people often use the term "Capitalism" loosely, "Laissez Faire Capitalism" is sometimes used to describe a true Capitalist system. But this phrase is redundant. It is important to define "Capitalism" correctly because a proper definition is a prerequisite to a proper defense. Capitalism is the only moral political system because it is the only system dedicated to the protection of rights, which is a requirement for human survival and flourishing. This is the only proper role of a government. Capitalism should be defended vigorously on a moral basis, not an economic or utilitarian basis. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:30:31 AM EDT
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Part of the high price for proprietary or innovative items is profit for R&D so the company can continue to offer innovative, high-quality items.
Now my beef is why a PAKISTANI G3 collapsing stock costs $170. |
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They just want to go on believing they are getting screwed by the man and that all dealers burn money for heat. 