Quoted: Quoted: So, that giant sucking sound we hear -- it's all the lowers rushing into California? Hey, I know California hasn't always sucked when it comes to guns, but it's sure sucking now isn't it? Haha. Here's an example.  In early December Stag Arms apparently had an inventory of 960 lowers. After the 'kick off' by 10%Firearms at the December San Jose gunshow, and all the attention it brought to off-list lowers in CA,  the Stag inventory was depleted in around 2 weeks.  We can't assume CA took it all, but CA likely it took 85%-90+% in this short time. Bill Wiese San Jose

Okay, yes Ca is important and you guys have bought a shit load of lowers.  WOW everyone look at Ca!!!!

Does that make you feel better.

I wish they had a Lemming brand lower receiver, that's how quickly lowers are rushing to the state.


At any rate, these are my current paperweights.    Something to keep my other toys company one of these days, maybe I'll get to make use of a stacking swivel when the stags are added to the list.    Would like to get a 3rd lower actually.

Quoted: Okay, yes Ca is important and you guys have bought a shit load of lowers.  WOW everyone look at Ca!!!! Does that make you feel better.

Fight in the playground during recess!!!!!

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, that giant sucking sound we hear -- it's all the lowers rushing into California? Hey, I know California hasn't always sucked when it comes to guns, but it's sure sucking now isn't it? Haha. Here's an example.  In early December Stag Arms apparently had an inventory of 960 lowers. After the 'kick off' by 10%Firearms at the December San Jose gunshow, and all the attention it brought to off-list lowers in CA,  the Stag inventory was depleted in around 2 weeks.  We can't assume CA took it all, but CA likely it took 85%-90+% in this short time. Bill Wiese San Jose Okay, yes Ca is important and you guys have bought a shit load of lowers.  WOW everyone look at Ca!!!! Does that make you feel better.

Dace, you act like you moved out of Kalifornia so you could own AR15's without banned features only to find out that you caould have stayed and still owned them because of this

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, that giant sucking sound we hear -- it's all the lowers rushing into California? Hey, I know California hasn't always sucked when it comes to guns, but it's sure sucking now isn't it? Haha. Here's an example.  In early December Stag Arms apparently had an inventory of 960 lowers. After the 'kick off' by 10%Firearms at the December San Jose gunshow, and all the attention it brought to off-list lowers in CA,  the Stag inventory was depleted in around 2 weeks.  We can't assume CA took it all, but CA likely it took 85%-90+% in this short time. Bill Wiese San Jose Okay, yes Ca is important and you guys have bought a shit load of lowers.  WOW everyone look at Ca!!!! Does that make you feel better. Dace, you act like you moved out of Kalifornia so you could own AR15's without banned features only to find out that you caould have stayed and still owned them because of this

Or maybe someone who is sick of hearing Californians bitch about their gun laws yet do nothing about it then rejoice and sing their praises when they find a loophole that lets them get around the legislation passed.

Yes I went there for college and lived there for 5 years, but I moved because....

After those 5 years I determined that Ca doesnt have shit over Az.  Not one damn thing.

Quoted: Or maybe someone who is sick of hearing Californians bitch about their gun laws yet do nothing about it then rejoice and sing their praises when they find a loophole that lets them get around the legislation passed. Yes I went there for college and lived there for 5 years, but I moved because.... After those 5 years I determined that Ca doesnt have shit over Az.  Not one damn thing.

Um, could we return to our regularly-scheduled hijacked thread?

This is about  legal off-list lowers in CA, for vendors that wish to help us.


Bill Wiese
San Jose

Bill, what are your thoughts regarding the most recent announcement from the DOJ?

http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/ar15notice.pdf

IM

http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/ar15notice.pdf

I read the document.  It sound like, if you build it (with banned features) they will come.

You protest too much Dace, everyone can see right through you. But you keep telling yourself whatever you want to believe, have fun out in your desert, I'll be hanging on the beach. BTW, how's the weather out there in July? Hot enough for ya? Don't tell me you gave up CA just for your AR's, because if you did that's pretty sad... especially now. I guess some of us have what it takes to stay and fight, and some would rather run away. To each his own. So now we've both got all the guns we want, I've got the weather, the beautiful women, and the high paying jobs, and you've got... errr...well... whatever.

Quoted: You protest too much Dace, everyone can see right through you. But you keep telling yourself whatever you want to believe, have fun out in your desert, I'll be hanging on the beach. BTW, how's the weather out there in July? Hot enough for ya? Don't tell me you gave up CA just for your AR's, because if you did that's pretty sad... especially now. I guess some of us have what it takes to stay and fight, and some would rather run away. To each his own. So now we've both got all the guns we want, I've got the weather, the beautiful women, and the high paying jobs, and you've got... errr...well... whatever.

+100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.00


 "Or maybe someone who is sick of hearing Californians bitch about their gun laws yet do nothing about it then rejoice and sing their praises when they find a loophole that lets them get around the legislation passed."  

Quoted: You protest too much Dace, everyone can see right through you. But you keep telling yourself whatever you want to believe, have fun out in your desert, I'll be hanging on the beach. BTW, how's the weather out there in July? Hot enough for ya? Don't tell me you gave up CA just for your AR's, because if you did that's pretty sad... especially now. I guess some of us have what it takes to stay and fight, and some would rather run away. To each his own. So now we've both got all the guns we want, I've got the weather, the beautiful women, and the high paying jobs, and you've got... errr...well... whatever.

The beach is seriously overrated.

I went there maybe three times and all for partys at night.

Have fun playing the libs game.

Somebody on a gun board defending California?  Now I've seen everything.

Have fun on your beach.

The Department of Justice (hereafter the Department@) has received numerous contacts from the public and firearms industry personnel regarding the legality of various AR-15/AK 47 "series" style firearms that have not yet been identified as Aseries@ assault weapons by the Department. The Department is also aware of the recent high volume of sales of these firearms. The Department has the statutory authority to identify Aseries@ assault weapons. In 2000, the California Supreme Court upheld that authority in Kasler v. Lockyer (2000) 23 Cal. 4th 472. The Department updated the list of "series" weapons in 2000 (as ACategory 2@ assault weapons), shortly after the Kasler decision. The registration period for Category 2 weapons ended on December 31, 2000. The California Supreme Court reiterated in 2003 that Athe Attorney General has the authority to determine that certain semiautomatic firearms are assault weapons by simply identifying them as such in the list published by the Attorney General in the California Code of RegulationsYtwo types of firearms defined in section 12276 by the use of the term series, namely the AK-47 series and the Colt AR-15 series.@ Harrott v. County of Kings (2003) 25 Cal. 4th 1138, 1155. Accordingly, the Department is currently in the process of identifying those firearms in the state which are variations, with minor differences, of AR-15/AK 47 "series" weapons. Once this process is complete, the Department will promulgate a list and file it with the Secretary of State=s office. Concurrently, the Department will begin updating the Assault Weapon Identification Guide which is currently available via the Department=s web-site at http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/index.html. Once the list of newly identified Aseries@ weapons is filed with the Secretary of State, citizens who possess those weapons will have 90 days to register them with the Department of Justice. Newly identified Aseries@ weapons cannot legally have the features listed in Penal Code 12276.1 when they are registered. Those features cannot legally be added after the firearms are registered as assault weapons. The Penal Code 12276.1 features have been banned since January 1, 2000, when SB 23 went into effect. The public was notified of the prohibition on the specified features many years ago. IMPORTANT NOTICE Page Two The registration period for assault weapons with those characteristics (Category 3 assault weapons) ended on December 31, 2000. Because non-"series" assault weapons with 12276.1 features may not be offered for sale, manufactured, imported, or possessed in California, it follows that newly registered "series" weapons may not have the features listed in Penal Code 12276.1, either. The prohibition on the features listed in Penal Code section 12276.1 is consistent with current DOJ policy that named Aseries@ weapons are illegal, unless registered, regardless of whether they have the 12276.1 features. It is also consistent with the intent of the California state legislature to ban assault weapons, expressed in 1991 when Penal Code 12276(f) was enacted. This section is declaratory of existing law, as amended, and a clarification of the law and the Legislature=s intent which bans the weapons enumerated in this section, the weapons included in Section 12276.5, and any other models which are only minor variations of those weapons with minor differences, regardless of the manufacturer [emphasis added]. It should be noted that individuals who timely registered ACategory 1@ and ACategory 2@ assault weapons were allowed to keep or add the 12276.1 features on their firearms. Those generic features were not illegal during the registration period for Category 1 assault weapons. In August of 2000, when the Department identified the Category 2 Aseries@ weapons, it was legal to register weapons with those characteristics as Category 3 assault weapons. Firearms with those features could no longer be registered as of January 1, 2001. Therefore, newly identified Aseries@ (Category 4) weapons likewise cannot have those features. Registrants of newly identified series weapons cannot legally add Penal Code section 12276.1 features to those firearms. The Department intends to enforce this restriction through the assault weapon registration process. Registration acknowledgment letters will include an admonition to registrants that adding prohibited features to newly registered assault weapons will invalidate registration. The basis for valid registration will rest solely on the fact that the Department identifies the receivers for these firearms as variations, with minor differences, of already controlled AR-15/AK 47 Aseries@ weapons. All additional features of the newly identified "series" weapons must conform with current California law. Firearm manufacturers, wholesalers and dealers who misinform the public about the ability to legally add prohibited features to these newly listed firearms risk criminal prosecution. They could also face civil penalties of up to $2,500 per violation under the state=s Unfair Practices Act (California Business & Professions Code section 17000 et seq.). This information will be distributed to criminal justice agencies throughout the state, as well as to firearm dealers listed on the Department's Centralized List, via the formal Information Bulletin process. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication.

I SO called it, they are doing exactly what they want to do, not whats written in the law or whats logical.

Why did you guys seriously think you would get away with this?  These politicians just DONT CARE about rights or the law.  Fight them by voting them out.  Trying to get around with loopholes and trying to play their game wont ever work.

where can one purchase a california legal lower?

Quoted: Quoted: You protest too much Dace, everyone can see right through you. But you keep telling yourself whatever you want to believe, have fun out in your desert, I'll be hanging on the beach. BTW, how's the weather out there in July? Hot enough for ya? Don't tell me you gave up CA just for your AR's, because if you did that's pretty sad... especially now. I guess some of us have what it takes to stay and fight, and some would rather run away. To each his own. So now we've both got all the guns we want, I've got the weather, the beautiful women, and the high paying jobs, and you've got... errr...well... whatever. The beach is seriously overrated. I went there maybe three times and all for partys at night. Have fun playing the libs game.

You're right...68 degree weather YEAR ROUND and having Dolphins and Blue Whales swimming in your backyard does get old. Wait, no it doesn't.
Spoken like a true cowardly deffector DACE.

Quoted:
VIVA OFF LIST LOWERS!!!







Complete assualt weapon from an off list lower.

That's a big no no in Cali?

that mag is 100% fixed. No CA laws are being broken in that pic.

link to the rebuttal of the CA DOJ memo

click here

Quoted: that mag is 100% fixed. No CA laws are being broken in that pic.

Still you have a "pistol grip", "telestock" and "forward pistol grip"

first line of the 12276.1, if the mag isn't detachable and is limited to 10 rounds, it is legal

per the CPC

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
et al

Quoted: ...I'll be hanging on the beach... I've got the weather, the beautiful women, and the high paying jobs...

blackrazor's California -- the proverbial guilded cage:

Where can us CA residents buy these....Vendors where are you? Am I missing something here? I have cash in my pocket ready to buy at least 2 or 3........HELP!!!

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You protest too much Dace, everyone can see right through you. But you keep telling yourself whatever you want to believe, have fun out in your desert, I'll be hanging on the beach. BTW, how's the weather out there in July? Hot enough for ya? Don't tell me you gave up CA just for your AR's, because if you did that's pretty sad... especially now. I guess some of us have what it takes to stay and fight, and some would rather run away. To each his own. So now we've both got all the guns we want, I've got the weather, the beautiful women, and the high paying jobs, and you've got... errr...well... whatever. The beach is seriously overrated. I went there maybe three times and all for partys at night. Have fun playing the libs game. You're right...68 degree weather YEAR ROUND and having Dolphins and Blue Whales swimming in your backyard does get old. Wait, no it doesn't. Spoken like a true cowardly deffector DACE.

Dolphins..........whales.............excuse me while I go laugh out loud outside.

Your right, I am missing them so much.  I miss those dolphins and whales.  Oh how I wish we had dolphins and whales here in Az.

And one more thing, you do realize (since I am sure you are using the average for some city as 68 degrees)  Phoenixs average temperature is 72.

You have been owned by three degrees, overcrowding, one of the highest tax rates in the country, housing prices, and smog.

c'mon guys....we need some info here.....

Any idea how many off list lowers there are?  I know Stag Arms and Essential Arms (now back in operation).  Any other?

Quoted: Any idea how many off list lowers there are?  I know Stag Arms and Essential Arms (now back in operation).  Any other?

I have been researching all of this for the past 5 hours.....there are many.

Ameetec
Mega
DSA
Fulton
Stag
Gunsmoke Enterprises

I am sure there are many others......good luck to you. I will be buying 2 tomorrow hopefully.

FINF

Good luck to those of you in Kalifornia!!!

I hope it all works out for you!!

It's a crying shame that those on this board who should be your allies are instead
mocking your efforts and ridiculing your state.

Fight the good fight however you can.

Born and raised in San Diego, left for WA in 2003.

Quoted: Good luck to those of you in Kalifornia!!! I hope it all works out for you!! It's a crying shame that those on this board who should be your allies are instead mocking your efforts and ridiculing your state. Fight the good fight however you can.hr

I am a 7th generation Californian.....my family was here way before these gun grabbers decided to make residence here. Unfortunately I missed the ban in previous years and regularly punish myself for not getting my hands on an AR style rifle. I will not miss this chance.

And at this point I dont really care what anyone says about the state....if I, and other law abiding citizens of CA, can legally get our hands on some we have won the battle...but not the war.

I swear its like every gun grabbing nut has moved here over the past 30 years or so. I will be purchasing 2 stripped lowers....one will be used to scare liberals....I will pin the mag and make it as EVIL looking as I can...then I will save the other to see how this current situation ends.

I have a buddy up in Washington state that has been trying to get me to move there. He always teases me with talk about just walking into a gun store and buying what he wants. I have been there a couple times....beautiful area of our country....outdoorsmans paradise.

Quoted: first line of the 12276.1, if the mag isn't detachable and is limited to 10 rounds, it is legal per the CPC 12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following: (1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. (B) A thumbhole stock. (C) A folding or telescoping stock. (D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher. (E) A flash suppressor. (F) A forward pistol grip. (2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds. (3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches. (4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: (A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer. (B) A second handgrip. (C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel. (D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip. et al

what he said!

I wonder what will happen in other states once they begin banning guns based on appearance. You think it couldnt/wouldnt happen? What about NJ, or CT, or MA, or NY, or what they are trying to do in IL? You think it will never happen? Wait till your state population gets out of control like it has here in CA. You'll get a political climate change and then they'll all be screwed. Its coming, but those who live in "free" states have their blinders on. Its coming, if not at a state level, then at the federal level. Then, all of these people who do nothing but bash us here in Ca wil be crying to us.."how do we work the system and keep our guns?!?!?!" I would say let them rot, but you knwo what, thats not me, and I would be more than happy to help out my fellow Americans fight for their rights than to sit back and flap my lips about  how bad it is here. If its so bad here, why do SO MANY people from THE MIDWEST everywhere else move here?

My dad moved to California in 1937.  It was more like a part of the Southwest rather than the Northeast back then.  I was born in 1951 in Los Angeles.  I obtained my hunting license in 1963.  Dove and upland bird shooting was great up until the early 70's.  I personally believe that the big swing left came as those from the Northeast came out here with their big city mentality and our big cities grew.  The problem with this "blue" state is that the cities of San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego control the rest of the state due to their incredibly large populations of urbanites (just like liberal Seattle controls Washington).  In any event, even though I was not an assault weapon guy when this ban came along, I recognized it for what it was and registered the one I had and bought another one...just because I could.  I wish good luck to all trying to live a firearm loving life in this beautiful state.

DD

Quoted: Here's an example.  In early December Stag Arms apparently had an inventory of 960 lowers. After the 'kick off' by 10%Firearms at the December San Jose gunshow, and all the attention it brought to off-list lowers in CA,  the Stag inventory was depleted in around 2 weeks.  We can't assume CA took it all, but CA likely it took 85%-90+% in this short time.

Look at Lauer.  When they began shipping lowers to CA, they were in the low 1000 range.... now they're up to 3400+ ... that's at least 2000 just from them.

I'd estimate the total imported into Cali to be getting close to 10,000 by now...   I know of 4 bay area dealers that account for nearly 2000 alone.  

Go CA members!  If I had a Non-listed lower in my vault I'd sell it to ya!

Good luck.

Brad

Quoted: It's a crying shame that those on this board who should be your allies are instead mocking your efforts and ridiculing your state.

+ Infinity      

No ing

who has the lowers in the so-cal area..... or who can ship to an ffl.... come on people. lets help a gun owner here....

please IM message me....

Based upon the fact that the CA DOJ recently confiscated about 500 lowers due to "improper storage" by the FFL, I think things are certainly becoming more... interesting in this issue.

www.calguns.net for more info, but I think it's safe to say that the sale of these lowers has drawn the attention of the DOJ in a big way.

The question remains as to whether or not the folks who purchased them (5,000+ by some estimates that I've read) can generate enough popular support to change some of the laws in this state.  I certainly hope so, I'm tired of feeling like a pariah because I own guns.

What's going on in CA guys?? I just went to my local gunshop today, and the owner said "no more". He's not selling any more lowers...said the CA State Atty Gen. put out a letter today basically saying that all these lowers that have come into CA are illegal, and that he's going after FFL's who sold and transfered them, as well as owners. Said that regardless of the "list", the AR15 is an illegal weapon in CA, and the FFL's KNOW it. This store owner is the same guy that four weeks ago did the transfer on my Stag lower, and said "no problem". Seems like the state is trying to use scare tactics to at least slow down the influx of legal lowers. They accomplished their goal here.
WTF!!!!...over...

I'm in Los Angeles and I got my Stag lower about a month ago.

I'm formerly Seattle, WA (2 years down here in the Republic of Kalifornia) so going through all this hassle just to have a rifle is crazyness, but if all goes well, it'll be so worth it.

I've already built my rifle with all the "assault weapon features", but used a fixed mag kit to make it legal. As soon as it's banned and I register it, the fixed kit comes off and in goes the 30 rounders.

Check with Title2. They hooked me up with an FFL down in Orange County who accepted the lowers with no problems.

I got 2 Lauer stripped lowers from the Gun Exchange in San Jose.

In So. Calif.:  San Fernando Valley has one FFL doing transfers.  San Gabriel Valley has at least one.  San Bernadino, the same.  Orange County, the same.  San Diego, the same.  It's just a matter of finding out where, but so far a few thousand folks have done just that.
5 Lauers and 1 CMMG.
Christmas in February!!
Next come AK's

Thanks guys...I think I found another one here. A friend says he has two .308 lowers as well? Is that possible?

Quoted: Thanks guys...I think I found another one here. A friend says he has two .308 lowers as well? Is that possible?

.308 receivers (AR-10 like) are legal ONLY if they are NOT on the banned list.  Caliber doesn't matter.
Currently they are rare and in high demand.  Your friend is lucky.  Get a couple for yourself.

Thanks, Bill!  Is there some where that we can find the latest news o the development of CA's reaction and legal steps to these lowers?

Quoted: Thanks, Bill!  Is there some where that we can find the latest news o the development of CA's reaction and legal steps to these lowers?

Legal California .223 self loading rifle discussion

Sorry guys, I've been at the SHOT Show and busy rebutting the DOJ memo and answering questions on Calguns....

OK, guys, several things...

- First, let's just keep this thread about legal off-list lowers in CA.  No CA bashers, we're doing the fight right now on the front lines.  (Watch out as your population base changes 10-15 years from now.)   If you're an out-of-stater and can help us, fine.  Otherwise spout your stuff in another thread.  This is for people to help, and to ask legal/acquisition questions, and to point to cooperative legal sources of legal off-list lowers, to match buyers/sellers, etc.

- The recent DOJ memo (dated 2/1, appeared 2/3, edited twice afterwards) is just that: a memo.  As of now it has no legal force.  Many of us believe it may be a mere trial balloon to see what they can get away with without it being challenged.  It's likely released to try to thwart off-list lower demand and consequent sales, that's all.  

- The DOJ memo creates tiers/classes of post-registration AWs, even though there is no crime for adding/changing/removing features from a legal, registered AW.  The memo also confuses evil features alone with evil features in combination w/detachable magazine - poor writing/phraseology and/or conceptual misunderstanding of the law.

- Note that the DOJ cannot say that changing features on a reg'd AW violates a 12280(a) or (b) law - which are the only possible charges, manufacturing or unregistered possession (as registration status is irrelevant to illegal transport, transfer, etc. charges).  The DOJ says it will invalidate the registration upon questioning of the new AW's configuration - something not supported in law and going way beyond statutory law - they have to "force" or "synthesize" a crime, which really shows the shakiness of this as they can't get a direct violation!  

-  I've written a detailed 17-page rebuttal to this memo and it's in hands of a very capable, known gun rights' attorney.  He agrees w/me this is BS, the points I've made, and they've way, way exceeded their authority, and that they're in an embarassing jam.  He's gonna talk some sense into DOJ ("Hey, you guys are crazy, you can't do this, we're gonna slam you...") on a lawyer-to-lawyer basis, and if necessary seek injunctive relief at the appropriate time (i.e., likely when a reg period begins and the DOJ illegally puts conditions on registration).

- Again, hold tight. This was just a memo.  It has not yet listed makes/models (I think they're inundated with brands and cleaning up the old list, and put this memo out to try to keep things in a 'holding pattern'.)  - so  off-list lowers are STILL legal to acquire and possess until the hammer drops.  

IF YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN OFF-LIST LOWER OR TWO, YOU SHOULD NOT LET THIS MEMO DISSUADE YOU, GET ONE NOW.   THE POTENTIAL UPSIDE IS TOO GREAT, AND THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE BESIDE A COUPLE OF BUCKS.

- Lower vendors inside/outside CA:  NOTHING HAS CHANGED FROM LAST MONTH.   If your makes/models of lowers are not listed in Calif Code of Regulation CCR 979.11, it's OK to ship and sell as bare lower into CA....   the current 'list' is at   http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/aw.pdf

BTW, it appears that there's around at least 8,000+ Stoner lowers in CA now:

     900  initial Stag depletion by early-state FFLs.
  1,800  Lauer confirmed to CA.  Other Lauers may be being diverted too thru intermediaries.
     700  one Bay Area group buy (1200 less approx 500 Lauers + a few Stags already covered)
  3,000  three FFLs doing around 1000 lowers each
  1,500  around 20 FFLs doing btwn 50 - 100 lowers each
-------------------------------------------------------------
  7,900 off-list lowers

This could be high by 1000 if some more cross-category duplicates exist  than listed above.   But there appears to be one other FFL moving 1000 lowers too, and some other FFLs moving 200 each as well that may not be counted above.  Really hard to get a hand around and determine what are new lower sales vs. cross-duplicates being counted twice.  But the numbers above have a very rational basis from the sources I've seen.  There is a good chance that the 9000 boundary has already been crossed.


Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA

Thanks Bill !!

Quoted: BTW, it appears that there's around at least 8,000+ Stoner lowers in CA now:      900  initial Stag depletion by early-state FFLs.   1,800  Lauer confirmed to CA.  Other Lauers may be being diverted too thru intermediaries.      700  from one Bay Area group buy (1000 minus approx 300 Stag and Lauer already covered)   3,000  three FFLs doing around 1000 lowers each   1,500  around 20 FFLs doing btwn 50 - 100 lowers each -------------------------------------------------------------   7,900 off-list lowers

Outstanding!!!!  Fight the good fight, fellas.