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Posted: 1/29/2018 1:06:49 PM EDT
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Anyone have an idea what optics and accessories have been chosen. I hope NF wins the contract for the squad LPV, i want me a ATACR 1-8 on a clone build.
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Posted: 1/29/2018 5:52:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iMONOob11:
Anyone have an idea what optics and accessories have been chosen. I hope NF wins the contract for the squad LPV, i want me a ATACR 1-8 on a clone build. CD |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 6:09:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iMONOob11:
Anyone have an idea what optics and accessories have been chosen. I hope NF wins the contract for the squad LPV, i want me a ATACR 1-8 on a clone build. I was told essentially it will be a lot of the SOPMOD Block 2 accessories to begin with (LA-5, Elcan etc) BUT- with 1-6 and/or 1-8 powered variables. That's all I was able to squeeze out at this current time.
As things progress I'm sure we will see even more accessory changes over time. Just like with any other evolution, URG, or package |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2018 7:28:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
I can't and won't tell you my source but I can tell you this source is solid. I was told essentially it will be a lot of the SOPMOD Block 2 accessories to begin with (LA-5, Elcan etc) BUT- with 1-6 and/or 1-8 powered variables. That's all I was able to squeeze out at this current time.
As things progress I'm sure we will see even more accessory changes over time. Just like with any other evolution, URG, or package 
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Posted: 1/29/2018 7:33:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ: This. Aside from that one commercial SF 4 prong with the notches cut at the ends of each prong, I've never heard of or seen any other 4P. I'm assuming they went back to gov't profile because of the longer mid-length gas? A SOCOM profiled mid-length would be heavy as shit. I still think that gov't is a shit profile. Like we were discussing in the Block II thread, a constant taper would be much better than gov't.  |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 7:59:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrelnutz:
Lots of information here. Just spent some time with Geissele and with Daniel Defense at SHOTSHOW. From the best I can tell, Geissele is providing their Mk16 rail and a version of their Air ambi ch. There is a slight variation to what is provided the Army, from what they sell. The Brownells version, is... just that. Daniel Defense is providing the 14.5" Gov't profile barrel and their Mk12 gas block. Barrel is standard Cr-Moly CHF Chrome lined. DD told me that G is sending the parts, and DD is assembling, and DD is attaching the Surefire flash hider. Originally, it was the three-prong WarComp, but field testing got too much garbage in the holes, so they went with a pure tine SOCOM flash hider. To be fair, I go conflicting reports as whether it is the 3-prong, the old 4-prong, or the new 4-prong. I did not hear that it was a middy. I assumed it was a carbine barrel. I have read enough external sources in the last four hours to assume that the middy is correct. I have the engineering contacts at both firms, and can confirm, as well as with SF. The Mk16 DD rail is very solid, and the award, I am told, is based (partially) on how the Mk16 connects to the upper receiver, with flanges that keep it from rotating. I found the barrel choice interesting. Interesting in two ways. One, I would not have ever called a DD barrel for a DOD contract. Why not Colt? Next, it was Govt profile, and not SOCOM profile. Thirdly, if it is a middy, that is a first. The receiver and BCG are 100% Colt. I am told that armourers at Fr. Bragg, Ft. Benning, etc., will determine whether to replace existing uppers or add new uppers and BCG. Clearly, the upper shown with Brownells is not US Army. It is a forge mark from Precision Forging, or something like that. I know someone will correct me. I think they are in CA, and also Sig uses them, if I remember. No word on lowers, as they are "as is" from what I am told. I would suspect that means SOPMOD stock, but that is my assumption. Hope that helps. |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 9:07:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By samuse: I agree. If they like the Geissele rail and charging handle they could have went with a BCM EMW 14.5". Originally Posted By stoner63a:
Then lastly, timing the Surefire 4-Prong for the individual Operator, left or right handed? |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 9:13:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stoner63a:
Then lastly, timing the Surefire 4-Prong for the individual Operator, left or right handed? |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 9:31:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By samuse:
I agree. If they like the Geissele rail and charging handle they could have went with a BCM EMW 14.5". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By samuse:
Originally Posted By 871JZ: This. Aside from that one commercial SF 4 prong with the notches cut at the ends of each prong, I've never heard of or seen any other 4P. I'm assuming they went back to gov't profile because of the longer mid-length gas? A SOCOM profiled mid-length would be heavy as shit. I still think that gov't is a shit profile. Like we were discussing in the Block II thread, a constant taper would be much better than gov't. |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 10:23:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
They could have even custom ordered a profile. I'm not a fan of the BCMs because I don't like fluting and prefer a shoulder for the gas block but I like the idea of them. Even if they wanted the barrel to be at 1 lb 8 oz they could have taken the extra material at the end of the barrel and behind the gas block on the "Govt" barrel and moved it rearward. We were cursed with the adoption of the M16A2 barrel. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By samuse:
Originally Posted By 871JZ: This. Aside from that one commercial SF 4 prong with the notches cut at the ends of each prong, I've never heard of or seen any other 4P. I'm assuming they went back to gov't profile because of the longer mid-length gas? A SOCOM profiled mid-length would be heavy as shit. I still think that gov't is a shit profile. Like we were discussing in the Block II thread, a constant taper would be much better than gov't. |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 11:42:45 PM EDT
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The USASOC URG-Is, 18K in number (over time), have DD MK12 gas blocks, set screwed only. Partially assembled at DD, shipped to Crane for inventory, sent to Bragg etc. for assembly.
The Geissele complete URG-Is will have G gas blocks, drilled and pinned, and have a self alignment feature. The 10.3” variant will be out there soon. No URG-Is in the wild yet from the USASOC side. There’s a few out there in select hands at this moment and running great. S/F |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 12:06:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GS5414:
The USASOC URG-Is, 18K in number (over time), have DD MK12 gas blocks, set screwed only. Partially assembled at DD, shipped to Crane for inventory, sent to Bragg etc. for assembly. The Geissele complete URG-Is will have G gas blocks, drilled and pinned, and have a self alignment feature. The 10.3” variant will be out there soon. No URG-Is in the wild yet from the USASOC side. There’s a few out there in select hands at this moment and running great. S/F So the partially assembled kits are being supplied to the Army as well as complete uppers? Or just the retrofit kits by themselves? Thanks |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 12:16:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GS5414:
The USASOC URG-Is, 18K in number (over time), have DD MK12 gas blocks, set screwed only. Partially assembled at DD, shipped to Crane for inventory, sent to Bragg etc. for assembly. The Geissele complete URG-Is will have G gas blocks, drilled and pinned, and have a self alignment feature. The 10.3” variant will be out there soon. No URG-Is in the wild yet from the USASOC side. There’s a few out there in select hands at this moment and running great. S/F  Amazing people with connections on this site. Thank You!
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Posted: 1/30/2018 12:25:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
GS So the partially assembled kits are being supplied to the Army as well as complete uppers? Or just the retrofit kits by themselves? Thanks Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Originally Posted By GS5414:
The USASOC URG-Is, 18K in number (over time), have DD MK12 gas blocks, set screwed only. Partially assembled at DD, shipped to Crane for inventory, sent to Bragg etc. for assembly. The Geissele complete URG-Is will have G gas blocks, drilled and pinned, and have a self alignment feature. The 10.3” variant will be out there soon. No URG-Is in the wild yet from the USASOC side. There’s a few out there in select hands at this moment and running great. S/F So the partially assembled kits are being supplied to the Army as well as complete uppers? Or just the retrofit kits by themselves? Thanks |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 12:28:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309: I believe the complete upper he's referring to is the one Geissele is offering for commercial sale. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 12:50:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail: So then basically URG-I is a M4 upper retrofit kit only S/F |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 12:56:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GS5414: Yes. S/F |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 4:08:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GS5414:
The USASOC URG-Is, 18K in number (over time), have DD MK12 gas blocks, set screwed only. Partially assembled at DD, shipped to Crane for inventory, sent to Bragg etc. for assembly. The Geissele complete URG-Is will have G gas blocks, drilled and pinned, and have a self alignment feature. The 10.3” variant will be out there soon. No URG-Is in the wild yet from the USASOC side. There’s a few out there in select hands at this moment and running great. S/F
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Posted: 1/30/2018 8:59:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KILLERB6:
Do we have a thread for that??? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By GS5414:
The USASOC URG-Is, 18K in number (over time), have DD MK12 gas blocks, set screwed only. Partially assembled at DD, shipped to Crane for inventory, sent to Bragg etc. for assembly. The Geissele complete URG-Is will have G gas blocks, drilled and pinned, and have a self alignment feature. The 10.3” variant will be out there soon. No URG-Is in the wild yet from the USASOC side. There’s a few out there in select hands at this moment and running great. S/F |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/30/2018 12:28:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GS5414:
The USASOC URG-Is, 18K in number (over time), have DD MK12 gas blocks, set screwed only. Partially assembled at DD, shipped to Crane for inventory, sent to Bragg etc. for assembly. The Geissele complete URG-Is will have G gas blocks, drilled and pinned, and have a self alignment feature. The 10.3” variant will be out there soon. No URG-Is in the wild yet from the USASOC side. There’s a few out there in select hands at this moment and running great. S/F |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 1:25:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
[#21]
What's the "self-alignment feature" of the Geissele gas blocks? A dimpled barrel that the set screws will tension against on top of being pinned in place?
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Posted: 1/30/2018 2:21:38 PM EDT
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So I guess it's safe to assume that the rail will clear the MK12 gas block. The RIS II has a cut out for it and i know a lot of rails will touch it on the inside.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 2:32:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006:
So I guess it's safe to assume that the rail will clear the MK12 gas block. The RIS II has a cut out for it and i know a lot of rails will touch it on the inside. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 2:36:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006:
So I guess it's safe to assume that the rail will clear the MK12 gas block. The RIS II has a cut out for it and i know a lot of rails will touch it on the inside. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 3:49:23 PM EDT
[#25]
I was planning on building a MK20/SSR is FN actually released it this year but that isn't happening. So the URGI will be my next project. I already have a complete Colt lower ready to go.
Also interested in the 10.3 variant as I already have a second CQBR that I switched over to a MK8 rail. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 3:57:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZJBT:
I was planning on building a MK20/SSR is FN actually released it this year but that isn't happening. So the URGI will be my next project. I already have a complete Colt lower ready to go. Also interested in the 10.3 variant as I already have a second CQBR that I switched over to a MK8 rail.
Man I still need a SCAR 17 somethin fierce. Don't even want to know how much the Mk20 costs.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 5:05:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FreefallRet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZJBT: I was planning on building a MK20/SSR is FN actually released it this year but that isn't happening. So the URGI will be my next project. I already have a complete Colt lower ready to go. Also interested in the 10.3 variant as I already have a second CQBR that I switched over to a MK8 rail. I built a Block I and II this year and got a AEM5. Cloning is expensive  |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 5:26:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
You're going to have quite the duty rifle selection here soon. Here's Monday's duty rifle....Tuesday's....Wed....etc.
Man I still need a SCAR 17 somethin fierce. Don't even want to know how much the Mk20 costs. My MK17 clone is my favorite. You need one. My duty rifle is the most balanced SBR I have shot to date. I was running a Warcomp neutrally timed but I swapped it out for a CT for noise reasons. Can’t run the can on duty. I briefly switched to a EXPS3 but after a few times of picking the rifle up and having to mess with buttons I went back to the T1.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 5:33:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZJBT: Haha, I want to run a LPVO on the URGI so that will disqualify it for a duty weapon. My MK17 clone is my favorite. You need one. My duty rifle is the most balanced SBR I have shot to date. I was running a Warcomp neutrally timed but I swapped it out for a CT for noise reasons. Can’t run the can on duty. I briefly switched to a EXPS3 but after a few times of picking the rifle up and having to mess with buttons I went back to the T1. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/209294/72C83896-0172-44EF-BC19-1572D0A08F53-436146.JPG What's the noise difference between the open and closed tine Warcomp's that would make you switch from one to the other? I have an open tine, but no closed tine. I do have an SFCT556, which is basically a closed tine Warcomp without the top venting ports. I never noticed it being any quieter than my open tine Warcomp, but haven't done any back to back comparisons. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 7:28:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MCDXXV]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ: @AZJBT What's the noise difference between the open and closed tine Warcomp's that would make you switch from one to the other? I have an open tine, but no closed tine. I do have an SFCT556, which is basically a closed tine Warcomp without the top venting ports. I never noticed it being any quieter than my open tine Warcomp, but haven't done any back to back comparisons. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 9:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
You're going to have quite the duty rifle selection here soon. Here's Monday's duty rifle....Tuesday's....Wed....etc.
Man I still need a SCAR 17 somethin fierce. Don't even want to know how much the Mk20 costs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By AZJBT:
I was planning on building a MK20/SSR is FN actually released it this year but that isn't happening. So the URGI will be my next project. I already have a complete Colt lower ready to go. Also interested in the 10.3 variant as I already have a second CQBR that I switched over to a MK8 rail.
Man I still need a SCAR 17 somethin fierce. Don't even want to know how much the Mk20 costs. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 11:16:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KILLERB6:
AZJBT doesn’t need a “YOU’RE FUCKED” dust cover: his whole patrol rif says “YOU’RE FUCKED.” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By AZJBT:
I was planning on building a MK20/SSR is FN actually released it this year but that isn't happening. So the URGI will be my next project. I already have a complete Colt lower ready to go. Also interested in the 10.3 variant as I already have a second CQBR that I switched over to a MK8 rail.
Man I still need a SCAR 17 somethin fierce. Don't even want to know how much the Mk20 costs. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 11:18:10 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZJBT:
Haha, I want to run a LPVO on the URGI so that will disqualify it for a duty weapon. My MK17 clone is my favorite. You need one. My duty rifle is the most balanced SBR I have shot to date. I was running a Warcomp neutrally timed but I swapped it out for a CT for noise reasons. Can’t run the can on duty. I briefly switched to a EXPS3 but after a few times of picking the rifle up and having to mess with buttons I went back to the T1. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/209294/72C83896-0172-44EF-BC19-1572D0A08F53-436146.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZJBT:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
You're going to have quite the duty rifle selection here soon. Here's Monday's duty rifle....Tuesday's....Wed....etc.
Man I still need a SCAR 17 somethin fierce. Don't even want to know how much the Mk20 costs. My MK17 clone is my favorite. You need one. My duty rifle is the most balanced SBR I have shot to date. I was running a Warcomp neutrally timed but I swapped it out for a CT for noise reasons. Can’t run the can on duty. I briefly switched to a EXPS3 but after a few times of picking the rifle up and having to mess with buttons I went back to the T1. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/209294/72C83896-0172-44EF-BC19-1572D0A08F53-436146.JPG 
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Posted: 1/31/2018 4:59:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyPilot12]
[#34]
I know some have a URG-I upper on pre order at Brownells. Here's another 10% off code, over $50 with free shipping, if you missed the last one. NBH, today only.
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Posted: 2/5/2018 8:50:31 PM EDT
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Anybody heard any rumors of when we might be able to order a Mk18 URG-I?
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Posted: 2/6/2018 1:16:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk:
Anybody heard any rumors of when we might be able to order a Mk18 URG-I? |
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Posted: 2/6/2018 1:25:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrelnutz: Mk18 or Mk16 ? |
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Posted: 2/6/2018 2:29:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk:
Anybody heard any rumors of when we might be able to order a Mk18 URG-I? |
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Posted: 2/6/2018 3:31:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
[#39]
There shouldn't be any Mk18 Mod 2 with URG-I components at the moment. URG-I is a USASOC, which is a ARMY command that is purchasing these weapon parts, not NSW which is a Naval command and puts out the Navy the Mk18 program. Also gets confusing when Geissele calls the URG-I forearm a Mk16 in their naming system. Nomenclature should be M4A1 URG-I 10.3"/14.5".
Right now as stated above the URG-I 10.3" is in the works but nothing diffident yet. CD |
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Posted: 2/6/2018 11:30:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
There shouldn't be any Mk18 Mod 2 with URG-I components at the moment. URG-I is a USASOC, which is a ARMY command that is purchasing these weapon parts, not NSW which is a Naval command and puts out the Navy the Mk18 program. Also gets confusing when Geissele calls the URG-I forearm a Mk16 in their naming system. Nomenclature should be M4A1 URG-I 10.3"/14.5". Right now as stated above the URG-I 10.3" is in the works but nothing diffident yet. CD |
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Posted: 2/6/2018 7:59:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
There shouldn't be any Mk18 Mod 2 with URG-I components at the moment. URG-I is a USASOC, which is a ARMY command that is purchasing these weapon parts, not NSW which is a Naval command and puts out the Navy the Mk18 program. Also gets confusing when Geissele calls the URG-I forearm a Mk16 in their naming system. Nomenclature should be M4A1 URG-I 10.3"/14.5". Right now as stated above the URG-I 10.3" is in the works but nothing diffident yet. CD |
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Posted: 2/6/2018 9:04:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joglee:
I'm surprised they stayed with 10.3" on the barrel considering they went mid length on the 14.5". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joglee:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
There shouldn't be any Mk18 Mod 2 with URG-I components at the moment. URG-I is a USASOC, which is a ARMY command that is purchasing these weapon parts, not NSW which is a Naval command and puts out the Navy the Mk18 program. Also gets confusing when Geissele calls the URG-I forearm a Mk16 in their naming system. Nomenclature should be M4A1 URG-I 10.3"/14.5". Right now as stated above the URG-I 10.3" is in the works but nothing diffident yet. CD |
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Posted: 2/6/2018 9:58:23 PM EDT
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Is the issued URG-I rail FDE?
I've been seeing photos and discussions stating that the issue rail is black? I am contemplating buying the upper to break it down and use the right parts. Atleast the MK12 gas block. Will the upper receivers be Colt flat tops or are they sourced elsewhere? |
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Posted: 2/6/2018 10:08:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pezboytate]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By patriot_man:
Is the issued URG-I rail FDE? I've been seeing photos and discussions stating that the issue rail is black? I am contemplating buying the upper to break it down and use the right parts. Atleast the MK12 gas block. Will the upper receivers be Colt flat tops or are they sourced elsewhere? The Geissele/Brownell's URG-Is will have commercial M4 upper receivers. |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 10:13:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: imdBman]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mr_h: BA made a run of hanson CHF chomeline middys....i just bought one and had decent groups at 75yds with 2MOA aimpoint. BA chrome mid CHF Good morning,We appreciate the inquiry. The gas port is .0785". Please let me know if you have any questions. |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 10:37:54 AM EDT
[#46]
Above is a Geissele marketing pic from Instagram. I gave in and ordered the presale upper at Brownells and I'm working on a new 6920 for the lower. This will be carried on duty and I'm not super concerned about being 100% clone accurate. What buffer system would be best for the gun? Vltor A5? Geissele Super 42? |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 11:24:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fourxfour:
https://i.imgur.com/9T92iGd.jpg Above is a Geissele marketing pic from Instagram. I gave in and ordered the presale upper at Brownells and I'm working on a new 6920 for the lower. This will be carried on duty and I'm not super concerned about being 100% clone accurate. What buffer system would be best for the gun? Vltor A5? Geissele Super 42? You can stick with the stuff the 6920 comes with or swap to an H2 if you want to save money. |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 11:27:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Since it's not a clone, I'd recommend a Vltor A5 7 position receiver extension with the heaviest buffer you can use and a Colt action spring. Then a stock like the Magpul SL or SL-S which will collapse all the way on the longer receiver extension. You can stick with the stuff the 6920 comes with or swap to an H2 if you want to save money. |
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Posted: 2/8/2018 11:56:02 AM EDT
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As far as I know, lower will remain the same. Same stocks, buffer and springs as a Blk II. Everything is speculation right now until the kits get issued and I start building guns.
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Posted: 2/8/2018 3:35:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: methical20]
[#50]
In an Instagram post from earlier today, Geissele mentioned (in the comments) that they will be offering a non-pinned complete upper.
Definitely the best option for those looking add MK12 gas block/SF4P. |
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