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Posted: 8/12/2023 11:34:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goody454: The rep I was dealing with never got back to me on their minimum order. She told me they don’t make the parts in house, and custom jobs weren’t that easy. I think it’s a lost cause… Probably so. thanks for checking anywho! Actually best, as I really don't need to drop anymore coin on firearms stuff for now. |
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Posted: 8/12/2023 3:00:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goody454: @-OdieGreen- That SFAR is really looking good. I’ve been trying to resist buying one, but you’re making it very difficult…  Attached FileThey’re cheap. Until you replace everything on them.  ETA: If you do get one, I made the most thorough compatibility list I’ve seen anywhere in the link below. While most everything is AR15 there are some nuances but I provided easy solutions for them that are good upgrades anyway. https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/New-Ruger-SFAR-Small-Frame-Autoloading-rifle-/121-775813/&page=22#i8581640 |
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Posted: 8/21/2023 3:41:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
[#3]
So I bought a laser thermometer and decided to do some testing. It’s currently 95* with little to no cloud cover. I grabbed the four unmounted rails I have handy.
1. Ruger factory black MLOK rail. 2. Geissele Mk4 black. 3. Geissele Mk8 DDC. 4. CMT DRT rail. I let them sit in the sun for about 35 minutes. Temperature at placement was between 68 and 70 degrees. I set them on plastic flower pots to keep heat soak minimized. On to the results from lowest to highest. 114.6* - Geissele Mk8 DDC. 122.9* - Ruger MLOK. 125.3* - Geissele Mk4 black. 126.6* - CMT DRT. I’m not surprised the DDC won out. I do a lot of shooting outdoors and FDE has always been considerably cooler than black. Pretty basic science here. What did surprise me was CMT DRT. I wouldn’t think it would be hotter than the black rails, never the less the hottest. What point does this test have? Well, use rail covers and gloves. As you shoot your rifle will cool down slower the hotter it is outside but I think we all knew that. The real benefit to this test is you can now go to your wife and say upgrading parts to tandodized isn’t a sick obsession, it’s actually for safety.  ETA: A few degrees warmer with a bit less wind today. All gained less than 5 degrees but color didn’t matter after an hour on aluminum. Won’t hijack the topic any further and posted todays testing HERE. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 5:00:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Goody454]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: So I bought a laser thermometer and decided to do some testing. It’s currently 95* with little to no cloud cover. I grabbed the four unmounted rails I have handy. 1. Ruger factory black MLOK rail. 2. Geissele Mk4 black. 3. Geissele Mk8 DDC. 4. CMT DRT rail. I let them sit in the sun for about 35 minutes. Temperature at placement was between 68 and 70 degrees. I set them on plastic flower pots to keep heat soak minimized. On to the results from lowest to highest. 114.6* - Geissele Mk8 DDC. 122.9* - Ruger MLOK. 125.3* - Geissele Mk4 black. 126.6* - CMT DRT. I’m not surprised the DDC won out. I do a lot of shooting outdoors and FDE has always been considerably cooler than black. Pretty basic science here. What did surprise me was CMT DRT. I wouldn’t think it would be hotter than the black rails, never the less the hottest. What point does this test have? Well, use rail covers and gloves. As you shoot your rifle will cool down slower the hotter it is outside but I think we all knew that. The real benefit to this test is you can now go to your wife and say upgrading parts to tandodized isn’t a sick obsession, it’s actually for safety. ETA: A few degrees warmer with a bit less wind today. All gained less than 5 degrees but color didn’t matter after an hour on aluminum. Won’t hijack the topic any further and posted todays testing HERE. Science proving once again that Tano is superior to all other finishes. ETA: I just realized this page is devoid of Tano-Porn. Making some changes to this build, soon the current x39 barrel will be an 8” 300blk 
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CO, USA
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Posted: 9/6/2023 1:00:02 AM EDT
[#5]
This thread caused me first to get an aero Kodiak brown Upper/lower receiver and a G MK8 DDC rail for a build I didn’t need…and second now I have an account to probably spend more money. But now no turning back! Tano it is
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Posted: 9/6/2023 1:25:25 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By COAggie: This thread caused me first to get an aero Kodiak brown Upper/lower receiver and a G MK8 DDC rail for a build I didn’t need…and second now I have an account to probably spend more money. But now no turning back! Tano it is Welcome aboard. While there might not be any green in the anodizing dye, tanodize certainly requires a bit of green. No new tano updates for me. Still haven’t got a Cloud REIN or new optic for the SFAR yet. Got the bright idea to buy a new carry gun, a bullpup rifle, and a few hundred dollars worth of Lancer 308 mags (which isn’t many).  |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/6/2023 3:24:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Beta08]
[#7]
WIP, on my SBRed MEGA beater lower for now. On the lookout for a darker DDC Geissele lower to finish it off, if anyone has any leads…
 
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Posted: 9/6/2023 5:09:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Goody454]
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beta08: WIP, on my SBRed MEGA beater lower for now. On the lookout for a darker DDC Geissele lower to finish it off, if anyone has any leads… https://i.ibb.co/4McxStN/IMG-6994.jpg https://i.ibb.co/svL3z4Q/IMG-6988.jpg I think about the only thing you can do is keep buying them in hopes for a dark shade… Your rifle looks great though!! Now for something not so pretty :) I had a spare Kodiak upper and DDC lower laying around, so I threw them on my (beater/truck gun/daylight-hog rifle) after work today. I was surprised how well the receivers matched, as I don’t think my other Kodiak parts are close to DDC at all. 14.5” p/w 300blk   
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Posted: 9/6/2023 7:22:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goody454: I think about the only thing you can do is keep buying them in hopes for a dark shade… Your rifle looks great though!! Now for something not so pretty :) I had a spare Kodiak upper and DDC lower laying around, so I threw them on my (beater/truck gun/daylight-hog rifle) after work today. I was surprised how well the receivers matched, as I don’t think my other Kodiak parts are close to DDC at all. 14.5” p/w 300blk https://i.ibb.co/WxtPmV3/IMG-0001.jpg https://i.ibb.co/nwTn3x2/IMG-0002.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Cpy62vw/IMG-0003.jpg Dang that is close. Triple dog dare you get a DDC rail on it to see if your good luck continues.
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Posted: 9/6/2023 7:35:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Goody454]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Dang that is close. Triple dog dare you get a DDC rail on it to see if your good luck continues. If the barrel wasn’t pinned/welded I would be seriously considering it. That and I already blew my Tano budget for the month on a Razor for my 308…  Notice the Tano Greeno bastard child at the bottom. We don’t talk about him… |
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Posted: 9/11/2023 3:02:38 PM EDT
[#11]
Any tano rails besides Geissele?
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Posted: 9/11/2023 4:37:55 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By officerX: Any tano rails besides Geissele? I am pretty sure some CMT rails are. www.cmttac.com |
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Posted: 9/12/2023 2:41:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/12/2023 1:37:45 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOrdered a blem for $150, thanks! |
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Posted: 9/12/2023 2:17:56 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By officerX: Ordered a blem for $150, thanks! Nice score. I just looked around on CMT's website and see they've got an Arca Swiss rail system. Damn, that's sweet! Wish they had one in 9.5" I'd have to give it a try for giggles. I've got a really nice tripod setup. Not that I'd use it much on a shorty, but still. Options..
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CO, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2023 12:14:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: COAggie]
[#16]
I think I landed a pretty good combo 
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2023 3:55:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Beta08]
[#17]
At least 8 shades of tan anodize plus a couple of various-RAL HK parts for comparison.
Wilcox riser - FDE Ripcord upper - Tan (???) EXPS - FDE Geissele ACH - DDC Geissele M4 SMR - DDC L3 NGAL - FDE Modlite - FDE (brown body) HK V4 Grip - RAL7008 HK Dust Covers - RAL7008 and RAL8000 (let’s be real, 8000 is yellow, not tan)   |
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Posted: 9/17/2023 11:05:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Outrider]
[#18]
MSP Armory receiver set finally came in. Compared with G set (rifle) and a Kodiak upper.
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Posted: 9/17/2023 11:19:33 AM EDT
[#19]
MSP set looks on point. Nice score!
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/18/2023 2:00:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Beta08]
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: MSP Armory receiver set finally came in. Compared with G set (rifle) and a Kodiak upper. Man, I’m so envious of your Geissele set I even mocked up how my gun would look with it. I bought one for myself but it’s pretty….. copper…    Bonus pics: The 1MinuteOut/Wilcox riser/magnifier FTS mount. Optic on the way.  
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Posted: 9/18/2023 10:43:16 AM EDT
[#21]
G set is on point too Beta08. Those are super nice! Again, nice score.
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Posted: 9/18/2023 11:17:12 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beta08: Man, I’m so envious of your Geissele set I even mocked up how my gun would look with it. I bought one for myself but it’s pretty….. copper… https://i.ibb.co/vHYRKpG/6-A7-EB10-B-8-AA9-41-C4-8-F83-C869-BFFCDB48.jpg https://i.ibb.co/MGn7nn3/IMG-7033.jpg https://i.ibb.co/VWzW2gj/IMG-7037.jpg Bonus pics: The 1MinuteOut/Wilcox riser/magnifier FTS mount. Optic on the way. https://i.ibb.co/Sv2xyBJ/IMG-1109.jpg https://i.ibb.co/b7hwgKN/IMG-1125.jpg It's pretty amazing the variations in color you can get even from one manufacturer. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 9:11:16 AM EDT
[#23]
 I wish Geissele would do another run of the sand finished mk2s. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 9:23:49 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bringo: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53211561692_72793f9158_z.jpg I wish Geissele would do another run of the sand finished mk2s. ^ Beautiful... i really miss that shade of sand/ddc |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:37:14 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bringo: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53211561692_72793f9158_z.jpg I wish Geissele would do another run of the sand finished mk2s. That looks great! What am I seeing on your forward sling mount? It looks like the light and sling mount are one piece. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:43:19 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goody454: That looks great! What am I seeing on your forward sling mount? It looks like the light and sling mount are one piece. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goody454: Originally Posted By Bringo: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53211561692_72793f9158_z.jpg I wish Geissele would do another run of the sand finished mk2s. That looks great! What am I seeing on your forward sling mount? It looks like the light and sling mount are one piece. That's exactly what it is. Badger Ordnance M7 Scout Flashlight/Sling Mount. They can be ordered in black or FDE anodization. Obviously I opted for the FDE because it's +10 speed. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:43:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5L33P3R]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goody454: That looks great! What am I seeing on your forward sling mount? It looks like the light and sling mount are one piece. looks like a Badger M7 scout mount... pretty neat part actually edit: dang beat by a few seconds |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:33:05 AM EDT
[#28]
Is there a group for people swapping
shades of G Tano stuff?
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Posted: 9/25/2023 3:54:53 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bakke1: Is there a group for people swapping shades of G Tano stuff?There should be. I've got a few Tano goodies I may part with. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 10:36:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: officerX]
[#30]
My attempt at a “50 shades of tano“ build. The upper (Aero) and lower (Geissele) actually match more than I expected, and wanted, them to. The buffer tube is also Aero and the charging handle is Geissele so the whole main, central part of the gun kinda matches, and then there’s the rail. Oh well, I guess it’s all good. Parts list as follows:
Upper receiver - Aero Kodiak brown Buffer tube - Aero Kodiak brown Lower receiver - Geissele DDC Trigger guard - Geissele DDC Charging handle - Geissele DDC Rail - CMT DRT 15” BCG - BCM Ion Bond Angled foregrip - Railscales Anchor Terra Bronze Grip - Ergo Stock - Magpul SL-S Mag - Magpul M3 Barrel - Ballistic Advantage 16” 5.56 Performance series Muzzle device - Dead Air keymount Trigger - Geissele SD-E Rail covers - BCM Battle Arms Development safety, pins and mag release 
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Posted: 9/28/2023 6:48:17 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By officerX: My attempt at a “50 shades of tano“ build. The upper (Aero) and lower (Geissele) actually match more than I expected, and wanted, them to. The buffer tube is also Aero and the charging handle is Geissele so the whole main, central part of the gun kinda matches, and then there’s the rail. Oh well, I guess it’s all good. Parts list as follows: Upper receiver - Aero Kodiak brown Buffer tube - Aero Kodiak brown Lower receiver - Geissele DDC Trigger guard - Geissele DDC Charging handle - Geissele DDC Rail - CMT DRT 15” BCG - BCM Ion Bond Angled foregrip - Railscales Anchor Terra Bronze Grip - Ergo Stock - Magpul SL-S Mag - Magpul M3 Barrel - Ballistic Advantage 16” 5.56 Performance series Muzzle device - Dead Air keymount Trigger - Geissele SD-E Rail covers - BCM Battle Arms Development safety, pins and mag release https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/335460/IMG_0055-2968765.jpg Looks great! I had a CRT rail for a while, but it looked more Rose-Gold than Tano. It looks like they’ve changed things (for the better), as yours looks more tan. What optic? There’s lots of Tano options out there these days. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 10:15:45 AM EDT
[#32]
Looks great @officerX You did good!
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Posted: 9/28/2023 10:58:16 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goody454: Looks great! I had a CRT rail for a while, but it looked more Rose-Gold than Tano. It looks like they’ve changed things (for the better), as yours looks more tan. What optic? There’s lots of Tano options out there these days. It may take a while to put an optic on this but probably something like a tan EXPS3. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 8:01:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
[#34]
Now that I have my poverty pup all finished, really debating grabbing an OEM2 and having the barrel shortened for a P&W to make it a quasi URGI clone. All the Geissele goodies.
I’ve grown to not like black and tan. I’m skeptical on doing the normal Cerakote smoked bronze though. Has anyone ever had their receivers re-anodized aftermarket? US Anodizing has a Magpul FDE anodizing that would run $450 total. Just can’t find an example of it. ETA: Found a pic of their anodizing. Apparently the markings get muted and the guy doesn’t like doing it. Maybe I should just do a custom Cerakote mix. What do you guys think? 
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Posted: 9/30/2023 2:37:22 AM EDT
[#35]
Technically not anodize but applies to everything you can’t get in tano. Someone just developed an FDE titanium nitride formula with the goal of matching up with tanodize. Bolt groups, barrels, pins, triggers, all of it. Soon you won’t have to have any black or paint on your rifle at all.
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Posted: 9/30/2023 11:27:26 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Technically not anodize but applies to everything you can’t get in tano. Someone just developed an FDE titanium nitride formula with the goal of matching up with tanodize. Bolt groups, barrels, pins, triggers, all of it. Soon you won’t have to have any black or paint on your rifle at all. https://i.ibb.co/xzy4fBf/C38-CBAEC-7-A37-44-DE-A427-B4-FAED4-A96-A3.png Where do I find this wizard? |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 1:58:39 PM EDT
[#37]
Another non-tano post, but I think it gets a pass since it’s on a tano gun…
I ordered one of Geissele’s new A17 grips to try out and just threw it on my tano 300. I had to grind off the little duckbill to make it fit on this receiver, and the gap in the back strap is slightly annoying. It feels good, and the checkering/texture makes it stick in your hand.  
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Posted: 9/30/2023 2:19:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goody454: Where do I find this wizard? Waiting for them to let me know. I imagine it will slowly seep out into the aftermarket versus third party application. A lot of the parts would need to be finished in it from the get go versus third party application. Gold titanium nitride is rare for AR barrels just because of the color, but there are multiple sources for bolts and barrels in that hue. The first company to get FDE nitride barrels and bolt groups out will make an absolute killing and it’s only a matter of time. ETA: I just posted in PSA’s industry forum asking them to consider offering tanodize and FDE nitride. I’m genuinely amazed they don’t already offer tanodize as is. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/FDE-Nitride-and-tanodize/301-304543/ |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 9:22:07 PM EDT
[#39]
Oh boy, the colors are just-a-fly'n out from the big G.
Just got an email on these today.. 3 new Ano colors Limited Run At the top of the page. One is close to "Tano" anyway...
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Posted: 10/3/2023 10:59:02 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MackDaddy1962: Oh boy, the colors are just-a-fly'n out from the big G. Just got an email on these today.. 3 new Ano colors Limited Run At the top of the page. One is close to "Tano" anyway... Damn. How close is that Bourbon Barrel Brown to DD FDE? |
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Posted: 10/3/2023 12:37:03 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:Damn. How close is that Bourbon Barrel Brown to DD FDE? Good question. Someone post a freshy-fresh pic of a DD FDE rail.. |
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Posted: 10/3/2023 4:58:45 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MackDaddy1962: Good question. Someone post a freshy-fresh pic of a DD FDE rail.. Ok, but just this once… 
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Posted: 10/3/2023 5:34:45 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryLove that shade-o-brown, no doubt. |
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Posted: 10/4/2023 1:29:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
[#44]
Quote HistoryDo you know what you just did? You didn’t even think of any consequences did you? Seeing this made me go look at Kodiak brown stuff. I found a buffer tube for $43. I bought it. Now I have to buy a Kodiak receiver set to use it on. And a 13.5” DDC Mk16. And a 14.5” pencil barrel. And so forth. Worst addiction support group ever. My woman is going to kick your ass so bad. All for just the corner of a picture. But you just had to do it. |
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Posted: 10/4/2023 12:25:42 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Do you know what you just did? You didn’t even think of any consequences did you? Seeing this made me go look at Kodiak brown stuff. I found a buffer tube for $43. I bought it. Now I have to buy a Kodiak receiver set to use it on. And a 13.5” DDC Mk16. And a 14.5” pencil barrel. And so forth. Worst addiction support group ever. My woman is going to kick your ass so bad. All for just the corner of a picture. But you just had to do it. Thats payback for the SFAR I’m likely going to buy! |
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Posted: 10/16/2023 6:35:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Brandonbeezy]
[#46]
Does adm do their UIC stuff in tano? Really thinking about picking up an upper receiver for this build, if my G rail will fit over it.
Also, the scope in the picture has zero torque applied to it, just had it mocked.  Edit: i do see the fde option, just want to confirm its anodizing. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2023 7:24:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: durango54]
[#47]
Current CMT rail. 13 inch. Got a couple of those Matrix Arms receivers coming if UPS ever finds or responds. Using a 13.7 barrel and want to pin a AAC 51 tooth which I read adds 1.875 to the barrel. Anyone know if it's possible to shim/ spacer it to get to length? Is there enough thread space?
This tano crap got the hook in me pretty good. No thanks to this thread.   
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2023 9:14:24 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By durango54: Current CMT rail. 13 inch. Got a couple of those Matrix Arms receivers coming if UPS ever finds or responds. Using a 13.7 barrel and want to pin a AAC 51 tooth which I read adds 1.875 to the barrel. Anyone know if it's possible to shim/ spacer it to get to length? Is there enough thread space? This tano crap got the hook in me pretty good. No thanks to this thread. https://i.postimg.cc/g0Vj2xPX/IMG-6539.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/qMWvcsJ6/IMG-6540.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Y9YbCKrq/IMG-6542.jpg I don't think that the AAC 51T is going to get you to a legal 16 inch length with your 13.7 inch barrel. I had a 13.7 barrel pinned and welded by John Thomas of Retro Arms works a few years back and he made a custom spacer that was around 5/16 of an inch plus the appropriate shims to time the Surefire 3 Prong Warcomp in order to get to a legal length of 16 inches. A 13.9 inch barrel won't make the cut either based on the 1.875 inches that the 51T adds to the barrel. You can mock it up and measure, but just the math alone with a 13.9 and the 51T comes out to 15.775 inches. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2023 9:22:19 PM EDT
[#49]
Appreciate the response. I'll get to the bottom of it and put it here once the rifle is built. I'll pin something else on it's no big deal.
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Posted: 10/20/2023 1:35:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
[#50]
Not tano but I know a lot of people were using Sal at Redacted Concepts as he was kind of a pioneer in replicating anodizing using Cerakote. He’s disappeared with a bunch of peoples guns and is likely under investigation.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Redacted-Concepts-Going-on-13-months-/19-542793/ |
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