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Posted: 12/5/2007 5:52:35 PM EDT
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Yeah right... they can't keep pace with the demand now... |
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Posted: 12/5/2007 7:58:35 PM EDT
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Well
Steyr could make 9000 augs with out breaking a sweat. Colt makes 35,000 a month. 7000 is limited production. |
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Posted: 12/5/2007 8:43:26 PM EDT
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Is this the Commando model?
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Posted: 12/5/2007 9:15:47 PM EDT
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I have not talked with ANY shop carrying the 556 that claims it to be a success. Many people are enthused about the rifle, but it hasn't taken the market by storm just yet.
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Posted: 12/6/2007 4:00:16 AM EDT
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Have your shop order one from the factory... and see how long it takes to get one in. Their is currently a 6 month back-order at this time. Here are the top three AR15 production numbers from a few years back: 39,932 BUSHMASTER FIREARMS, INC. 29,950 COLT'S MANUFACTURING CO. 8,475 ARMALITE, INC. For a new offering SIG is already closing on #3 Armalite... With SIG expanding their model line, and plans to offer various configurations, calibers, and pistol models, their market share will continue to grow. A small minority may be pining for a 55X, but as the OP stated, the market has spoken. |
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Posted: 12/6/2007 4:10:29 AM EDT
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Slag
Do you have an MSAR or are you waiting on the TPD? Max |
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Posted: 12/6/2007 4:12:50 AM EDT
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Both... I have a STG-556, and plan on purchasing an AXR... |
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Posted: 12/6/2007 4:13:05 AM EDT
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Not exactly 100% true. Sig sells to dealers and a few distributors. Most of their sales are at the Dealer level. Bomber |
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Posted: 12/6/2007 5:50:50 AM EDT
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Both of those other companies have/ had military contracts. 7,000+ is a pretty strong number for the 556. It sounds similar to where the FS2000 stood at the same point in relation to the release date. |
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Posted: 12/6/2007 6:59:29 AM EDT
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The store where I bought mine at says the Sig 556 is a good seller. I bought a used one which had 2 original Sig plastic mags, and a CAA buttstock which I changed out for a Magpul CTR I have. I have wanted a Sig for more than 10 years. Even if it isn't a 551, I am happy with it. If the 556 sells well, there will surely be more variants, like their handgun line. Editted for additional comments. |
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Posted: 12/6/2007 10:28:37 AM EDT
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Here is another pic going around:
 And compare that to the real deal:  
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Posted: 12/6/2007 1:06:06 PM EDT
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They all look good. But only one takes the AR mags I want. |
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Posted: 12/6/2007 7:08:05 PM EDT
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And if it sold for the same price they sell for in Switzerland - $2500+, nobody would buy one.....Like or not, the US mods keep price down... |
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Posted: 12/6/2007 7:27:03 PM EDT
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Can some one with some photoshop skills cut and paste the new Magpul UBR(its out now) and a 556 and post it here, and does any one know where to get sidefolding mech to work with AR platform stock, I think this is my next purchase for mine
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Posted: 12/6/2007 7:30:38 PM EDT
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This was done when the 556 first came out. I didn't do it, but saved it back then for when the UBR came out: 
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Posted: 12/6/2007 7:46:15 PM EDT
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Sweet, hopefully Magpul getts their production ramped up after the pre-production models sell so I can get one in Jan, does anyone sell/make a side folding mech. for the 556 yet? If so all I need is the Aurora diopter and a 551 handguard and mine is set
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Posted: 12/6/2007 8:19:04 PM EDT
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So if the 556 didnt have the shit stock and handguard, it would be a real hit with the sig crowd?
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Posted: 12/6/2007 8:27:58 PM EDT
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They could make one like these that accepted the M-16 mag...........I would definitely buy one then
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Posted: 12/6/2007 8:48:39 PM EDT
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So if the 556 didnt have the shit stock and handguard, it would be a real hit with the sig crowd?
I would still like to have the original lower and rock in mags, but yes I could work with AR mags as long as it didnt have the crap stock and shit handguards, I don't by any of my AR parts from tapco I sure as shit dont want my 556 to look that way either. |
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Posted: 12/6/2007 8:51:14 PM EDT
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One of my local shops hasn't been able to move the two they have ($1200) for a while. The FFL I worked at in Texas hasn't had luck with them either. Obviously, this is a small sample set, and can't indicate what it's like nationwide, but after handling the gun, they need to address some of the cheap-feeling qualities (handguards, stock) and they should have a winner. I'm still on the fence- but I must say I am leaning more towards the "pick one up" side. After that retard in Omaha decided to make murder the last deed in his life as a loser, the libtards will once again push for a ban, which I want to beat. |
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Posted: 12/7/2007 4:35:15 AM EDT
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Maybe your local shops have over priced them? The shops around here price the 556 around $1050... and they can't keep them in stock... |
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Posted: 12/7/2007 4:39:02 AM EDT
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My 556 came with a B&T rail and Magpul stock from the factory... hardly "shit"...  
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Posted: 12/7/2007 6:12:02 AM EDT
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I'm so grateful to live in a time when people bitch about handguards and stocks.
Seriously, Leonidas would have bitchslapped you and told you to lay down the spear and carry water. Don't like it? Don't buy it or buy it and rig it how YOU want. Aurora and Sig have both taken steps to get what the purists want. And yes, it does look handsome with the B&T rail and Magpul CTR. So what if the handguards look nasty, so do the holes 5.56 makes in anything made of meat. (walks away shaking head) |
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Posted: 12/7/2007 8:16:00 AM EDT
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Thanks for the pep-talk, coach!  I'm living in a time when everyone else can manufacture a decent set of handguards, and doesn't have to resort to Tapco crap to try and look tacticool while feeling like the cheap crap it is. SigArms doesn't have any excuse for this, as they manufacture serious stuff for everyone else to purchase. My duty weapon is made by Sig and it's a real gun with no Tapco crap on it from the factory. I am so glad Leonidas isn't around to slap me, since consumers shopping for a good product is somehow analagous to being issued a spear to fight the Persians all those years ago. John McClain would also not be proud of me because I choose to wear shoes. I'm glad the movies have taught us so much about heroes. In fact, from now instead of saying "are you talking to me?" everytime I pick up my guns and pose in front of the mirror, I'll say "what would Leonidas do?" Off to put on my ninja suit.... |
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Posted: 12/7/2007 8:40:07 AM EDT
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So can someone clue me on on why the heck the handguard are so frickin' bad?
They're more stable than the 551 handguards. They have usable rails for anything that doesn't require free floating (they will accomodate a flashlight, etc. just fine). They're sturdy and more functional than the original swiss handguards and base AR handguards. So what exactly is the problem with them? ETA: Oops, I'm sorry I forgot. They're "ugly". That's enough to write them off! |
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Posted: 12/7/2007 8:54:39 AM EDT
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Hell... most people couldn't really tell ya... as they have zero experience with the SIG.. they are just regurgitating what someone else said... |
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Posted: 12/7/2007 11:01:06 AM EDT
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I am only criticizing what I think is a shortcoming. The rifle as a whole seems to be nice. It's just like when you get a burger and everything was great, but they put mayo on it and you'd prefer mustard. The HG's and stock can be switched out, and if I get one, those two parts are going bye-bye. |
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Posted: 12/7/2007 7:09:15 PM EDT
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Great discussion folks--but remember the point of this thread is to show just how well IS competing in the market with a "jacked up"
556.They have now started to ship other variants, so should do even better. |
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Posted: 12/7/2007 9:01:29 PM EDT
[#29]
+1 |
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Posted: 12/7/2007 9:04:52 PM EDT
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The only reason the rifle is doing OK is because it is new. Lets see the trend on the 556 through five years. Baring a new AWB scare with feeding frenzy, I doubt its number stay that high. Lets also see the number of FS2000s, XCRs, SCARs, and Masadas to compare with the 556. I bet all four of those rifles outsell the 556. For every one 556 that SIG sells, they are missing out on the sale of five 550 series guns to serious shooters and collectors. If Sig came out with a 550 series gun, I would have bought at least five of them, maybe even ten. They could have even released the blue ones they sell in socialist Kanada and I wouldn't have cared and still bought them up. They came out with the 556 instead and got ZERO dollars from me. |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 6:24:09 AM EDT
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And if they were $2500 like they are in Switzerland, they would not sell either. The stock and handguards are subcontracted to another company in Switzerland; Same thing with the magazines.. Would make US manufacture difficult at best.. Like it or not, the cheap US made lower and stock set make it cheaper... |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 8:47:29 AM EDT
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Your logic is skewed. You love the 550 series guns so much that you would buy 10 of them if you could, yet in other threads you have stated the 556 is a "complete hunk of shit"? Have you not figured out the two are similar? Let me guess, your pissed the 556 takes AR makes, but youre probably fine with them in you AR? Let me ask you, Is the 556 a "complete hunk of shit", because it doesn't shoot well, or because it doesn't exactly replicate something that YOU wanted it to? For those of us that can't have a 55x series gun, I would think the 556 would be the next best thing. |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 9:04:06 AM EDT
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The above originally posted by Scottyryan. I, too, am very interested to see sales data for FN and the XCR. Also the five year trend--hopefully it will be as golden as the last year or so! This thread was started with the data we have on hand. If anyone can provide sales data for the FS2000/PS90/XCR, it would be a great boon to this thread. Of course, we can't do anything but speculate on the SCAR ans MASADA, as they are as yet, unreleased. Also, if they DO outsell the 556, that will simply be because they are new, right Scottyryan? (to quote you). |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 1:25:34 PM EDT
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The XCR came out first and from what folks have said about serial numbers, the 556 passed it in sales months ago. Magpul will do pretty well with their gun but they may have some distribution challenges that FN & Sig don't (but RobArms' XCR did). The SCAR will trump all because it will be the rifle of choice for SOCOM and that carries a lot of weight with folks. Even a bunch of police depts. will likely go this route when they find out that they can have the SEALs gun. Sales prediction (factoring in all 556 models combined): SCAR>556>Masada/ FS2000 tied>XCR. The real x factor that I think will be tough to place in terms of sales guesstimates is the HK 416/417 (Delta's gun of choice).
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Posted: 12/8/2007 1:45:14 PM EDT
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I agree, however, I'm beginning to not even care about the lack of the side folder. I like the idea of the AR stock compatability for their adjustable LOP. Perhaps if I needed to climb in and out of my truck every day with my rifle the side folder would serve a purpose otherwise it's just a novelty. |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 4:16:22 PM EDT
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That's kinda what I hope SIG comes out with.......if the 556 has the side folder, sights and handguard of the 551, but uses the AR-15/M-16 mag lower that it has now, that would be acceptable to me..........I agree that it would be the best hybrid, and I would definitely get one
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Posted: 12/8/2007 4:38:24 PM EDT
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The 556 is not build to the same standards as the 550 series. |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 4:39:05 PM EDT
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Did you not read my line about long term (5 year) sales between all of these different rifles? |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 5:32:23 PM EDT
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Yes, scotty, I did--I referenced it in line 2 of my response. Line three clarifies line 2...while we don't have five years of comparisons between different manufacturers, we do have the last several years. With the data we DO have to compare, we know that the 556 is doing VERY WELL. |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 7:38:14 PM EDT
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I am also interested to see how sales numbers turn out. I do like the AR mags and am glad the 556 takes them. Let's get someone in the US to start making the 55X side folder and HG's. I've got a good idea...how about SigArms?!
In the mean-time, if I can snag one of these at close to $1000, I'm sold. |
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Posted: 12/9/2007 6:35:43 AM EDT
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Nothing like internet experts sproutin off "internet facts"... or did you perform your own "testing" to backup this "fact"? |
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Posted: 12/9/2007 6:38:42 AM EDT
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I am sure the SIG556 has out sold the FS2000 and XCR as it can be purchased for a whole lot less than either of those rifles. When an FS2000 is between $1800 and 2300 dollars and the XCR is typically $1400 to $1700 while the 556 is $1000-1200 in most areas that gives it a serious advantage. SIG has better name recognition than RA and a larger civilian sales base than FN which also contributes to its sales. SIG also has the mystique of the 55x rifles pushing sales. The FS2000 has the F2000 but less people know about that gun (at least until Hollywood starts using it instead of the G36). Also SIG has substantially greater production capacity than RA. Especially since the small parts are from the 55x guns and have been in production for years. When you add it all up SIG had better be the sales leader.
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Posted: 12/9/2007 6:44:02 AM EDT
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Yep... combine price and value... you get a sales leader... thus the topic of this thread: "The market has spoken--SIG 556 a winner!". |
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Posted: 12/9/2007 7:28:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/9/2007 7:32:31 AM EDT
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OK expert... which parts are built and assembled in NH and which are imported? Military inspectors in the Swiss plant? How many? At which point in the Swiss line are these inspectors positioned? On the parts built in NH... which are inferior and why? What is the inspection process for the NH line? And while your at it... what exactly are the "standards" for the 55x rifle and where are they documented? Please share with us this inside information you have in order to back up your "facts".... |
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Posted: 12/9/2007 7:41:07 AM EDT
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LOL, yes, you CAN piss farther. You win. |
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Posted: 12/9/2007 7:42:20 AM EDT
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Yeah... I figured as much... |
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Posted: 12/9/2007 8:04:18 AM EDT
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That's not what this thread is about...it's about sales figures of a technical firearm. unless you were trying to say that a swiss made and imported 55x type rifle would cost more than the 556, and thus sell WORSE than the 556? |
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Posted: 12/9/2007 8:31:39 AM EDT
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+100 As the great Roger Murtaugh from Lethal Weapon would say...  |
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Posted: 12/9/2007 8:41:43 AM EDT
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Well if not for the import restrictions we had 55x type rifles coming in from Europe they would be more expensive with the weak dollar and high labor costs over there. |
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