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Posted: 1/22/2008 10:40:03 AM EDT
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The 'binding' will come not from fouling, but from the expansion of the revolvers components as they heat up, The injury appears to be a 'classic' Cyl. gap flame cut. Try a left hand 'cup' hold on trigger guard, thumb straight as most people do, look at the part of the thumb that is next to the cylinder. It's the pad of your thumb, right? After a shot, if you do not remember to reposition your left hand, the thumb will move forward. When the flame hits the thumb pad, it meets resistance at the bone and nail/nail bed, pushing the thumb away allowing the pad to be scalloped off. If it was a case failure, there would be brass fragments in both hands, not just damage to the left thumb. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 10:46:10 AM EDT
[#2]
I'm thinking Lamb shank. 
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Posted: 1/22/2008 10:47:52 AM EDT
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Remember guys, I only pulled the trigger ONE time. I positioned my hand where I thought was ok and pulled the trigger ONCE ... so no repositioning after recoil. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 10:48:08 AM EDT
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Your pic showed an extreme forward grip on the weapon....but if your wife moved her left hand back a couple of inches that would place the inside of her thumb right at the gap between the frame and the cylinder....which has the potential of shredding the thumb like we saw in the pictures. Personally I think it illustrates the point quite nicely. I've seen people try to use that same grip myself. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 10:49:29 AM EDT
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Wow...some people just don't get it. 70% of you called him full of shit. I don't recall a title that said, My 460 malfunctioned. I just recall a bunch of asses jumping him... |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 10:55:08 AM EDT
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I've been reading the whole thread. The problem I have is you were ready to get a quick settlement before you took into consideration you fucked up. We all have sympathy, and your pictures are worth a million words in showing people how not to hold the gun. I give you credit, but until we see pics of the gun, the people saying you should sue are wrong. I've got a 460 and shot it a couple hundred times. I love it. So the original tone of the gun went to shit on you after 12 rounds could happen, but I think as do others that it was user error. Thanks for the pics. I've already used them to show my kids this is why you don't hold a revolver in such a way. Visualization such as this is far better than any descriptive explanation I could ever give. This is from your second post in this thread.
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Posted: 1/22/2008 10:55:33 AM EDT
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I still haven't seen any evidence of a handgun malfunction. Just user malfunction. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:00:59 AM EDT
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Did he say it Malfunctioned? I recall he said his pistol blew off his thumb, and it did. Did he use a poor grip, he did. Then 70% said he was full of shit, yet pics show the damage. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:01:43 AM EDT
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Wow...some people just can't read. I have never doubted the fact that the man injured himself. It is rather obvious that he did. The reason for a "bunch of asses" jumping the man is that on day one he and other are speaking of lawsuits and lawyers, where it is quite possible, and yet still undetermined, that the wound could have been a result of negligent handling of the weapon. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:05:42 AM EDT
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You must have missed these posts:
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:07:37 AM EDT
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Yes I can read, which is why I was able to respond. Who cares if he thought he might have legal action, and changed his mind. The point remains that before the facts came in, 70% called bullshit (a new trend here). That was my only point. Yes, he did cause the injury. Just not sure how everyone was so sure of the facts prior to them being released. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:07:46 AM EDT
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Nevermind. Read thelastgunslingers post above. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:07:59 AM EDT
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The concern is mostly over this post:
If this was purely "user error" then the talk of a lawsuit and/or settlement is decidedly not cool. "I found a way to hurt myself using your product, so please gimme money" sucks in the extreme. We should know in a day or two. If no further updates are made, then you can bet the gun and ammo are intact and normal. The injury pics are nice and clear, as will be the pics of the blown up gun--if that is the case. Stand by . . . |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:10:09 AM EDT
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If this is the direction things are going to go, you all can argue amongst yourselves ...
I never once suggested a lawsuit, it was others who used those words. In fact I said I don't want a lawsuit because of the negative press it would draw. Even if it was a clear failure of some sort, I'd rather settle out of court for much less money ... I don't really need money. I just want a good thumb back! |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:12:41 AM EDT
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I know....he can't imagine. Doesn't mean it was a defective gun, or a defective shooter. I do not recall a lawsuit discussion from him, but the quote above was close. so we don't lose focus here of what I said: I KNOW THE GUN WAS NOT DEFECTIVE. HE CAUSED THE DAMAGE. MY POINT WAS NOT THE FACT OF WHO/WHAT CAUSED THE DAMAGE. WHAT I FOUND FUNNY, WAS THE GROUP THAT WAS SAYING IT WAS BULLSHIT AND DIDN'T HAPPEN. HE DID CAUSE THE DAMAGE HE CLAIMED TO HIS HAND. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:15:00 AM EDT
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That first sentence shows I was stoned at that point. I'd been home an hour or so, and still full of Morphine, about 30 locals, and Oxycodone. The first sentence doesn't make sense, and should have read: "Too early to speculate THAT it was a violent failure ..." So get off my case. I don't want to sue anybody, and I don't need the money. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:15:01 AM EDT
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quote just in case... 
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:15:12 AM EDT
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Calm down dude.. You are wrong here is what the OP said:
Not only did he accuse the revolver or the ammo but he also claimed he used a normal grip which is frankly nearly impossible if not fully impossible. If he had used a normal grip and the revolver had a malfunction at the operating pressures of THAT revolver he'd have a lot more problems than just a torn up thumb. If you look at the post with the PROPER you will see 1 if not two other fingers would have gotten thrashed. You are flying off the handle on people that are for the most part just speaking towards proper and safe handling and furthermore you are saying something completely untrue. He did in fact blame the revolver and/or ammo. Had he used a proper grip and there was a malfunction we'd be looking at more messed up digits. ETA: And as far as the bullshit calls I would venture that 99% of those were just a normal giving the guy a hard time, 'guy' thing until he posted picts. I called basically bullshit but did so in a joking way. I had no doubt this happened to him. I'd also venture to say the bulk of the BS in the thread are people trying to defend him because they feel some need to or are sensitive. So far the OP has handled this well. I apologize if my first reaction is to give him a hard time vice sending him flowers and flying to his house and giving him a hug. But I think on this forum we all pretty much give each other a hard time. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:21:53 AM EDT
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I don't remember anyone saying that they didn't believe that he was injured, at least not aside from the usual "post pics or didn't happen." Which if you don't understand is a tongue-in-cheek comment, then you need to spend a bit more time hanging out here before opening your mouth. I posted quotes where he blamed the gun and was talking lawsuit, now lets see some quotes from you where people didn't believe that he was actaully injured. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:28:52 AM EDT
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That's a perfectly reasonable attitude to have. Please do update things so we know, as this is obviously a very serious issue. 
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:29:15 AM EDT
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Everyone should stop for a minute. Nobody is arguing that the OP was injured. And that the injury is obviously insanely painful. Being in shock, and drugged up, can anyone doubt he wasn't in a clear state of mind. No offense to the OP, but I've been there, and a person can say/do things he normally wouldn't. It sure sounded like the OP wanted to get $$$ for his injury, but I'm willing to cut him some slack considering how soon after the accident he was posting. If he wants to state for the record he has no interest in suing, I'll believe him. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:30:46 AM EDT
[#22]
Please don't lock this, I need it to make page 30 to win a bet. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:34:52 AM EDT
[#23]
If it was my fault, of course I wouldn't sue ... |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:37:42 AM EDT
[#24]
Certainly makes sense. Best of luck with your recovery. Please keep us up to date as to the outcome. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:41:03 AM EDT
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I'd be very interested to see some tests like this... Shawn |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:41:28 AM EDT
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No pics
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:42:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:43:41 AM EDT
[#28]
Agreed. ASSUMING that it is a cylinder gap injury, he was probably in a state of disbelief that holding the gun wrong could cause so much damage. He was also drugged up, so do I cut him some slack, but at the time he most certainly did say that he was interested in persuing monetary damages. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:44:18 AM EDT
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Dude . . . plugs AND muffs. Hearing is a good thing. Pics on page 15, for the guy above you. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:48:30 AM EDT
[#30]
Where did I say that? It was others who said lawsuit ... I said if it came to that I'd hope it could be settled out of court, and out of the public eye. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:49:13 AM EDT
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There are a lot of rather strong opinions here based on nothing more than an assumption, I haven't seen anything yet which indicates this as a burn type injury.
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:51:36 AM EDT
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Injuries from muzzle blast aren't like normal burns. Muzzle blast can slice something like a finger down to the bone. They can cut and shred flesh and not even LOOK like a burn. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:53:32 AM EDT
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My buddy bought a 500 when they first came out. The FIRST shot he fired doubled on him. I thought he was going to drop the gun he was in so much pain. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:54:05 AM EDT
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hence the reason it is called "flame cut" |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 12:08:48 PM EDT
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Haysoos Christo! |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 12:10:29 PM EDT
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You said:
If you didn't mean that you were thinking about a monetary settlement, then that was a strange way of wording it. I understand that you were still thinking that it was a weapon failure at the time that you wrote that, and that it could still turn out to be the case. I assume, again, that if it turns out that this was caused by your error that you would not persue this out of court settlement. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 12:14:02 PM EDT
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I am very familiar with muzzle blast and flame cutting as well as large revolvers.
Some one cleaned and cared for the wound therefore someone knows what was in it. There is no question gasses escapeing from the forcing cone/cylinder gap are capable of doing this type/much damage however I still see nothing which isolates this damage to the forcing cone/cylinder gap other than assumption.
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Posted: 1/22/2008 12:15:01 PM EDT
[#38]
Did you see on the last page where I corrected that specific line? Please go back and read it. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 12:20:06 PM EDT
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Mecy dude! Thats horrible  thanks for the pictures though  It might be in the last 15 pages but, how do the docs think it will turn out when its healed? |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 12:20:16 PM EDT
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I see pristine fingers, or nearly so, on the rest of the hand. I see no flack or claims of flack at eyes, etc. Speaking for myself, I've been at the range when a revolver cylinder let go. Dumbass screwed u a reload and it blew the cylinder, bent the top strap and sent pieces of the damn gun into ME two lanes over. This is so isolated that the source has to also be isolated. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 12:26:17 PM EDT
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+1. HUGE thanks for the video - greatly illustrates how this happened. For me, I learned that lesson using my hat as a revolver rest. The blast ruined my hat, and taught me a lesson about hot gases. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 12:32:13 PM EDT
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I wasn't going to say anything when you posted that, but to me that looked like back pedalling. It's a screwy sentence (the drugs, I understand believe me  ), but it makes just as much sense with 'but' as it does with 'that'.This is how the exchange that the screwy sentence quote comes from makes the most sense to me:
Either way, it doesn't matter now. Take it easy, and heal well. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 12:36:10 PM EDT
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Flame cutting will cut the steel backstrap on revolvers if the pressure is high enough.I think that is why Ruger dropped the .357 maximum super blackhawk.If you have 40-60,000 psi bottled up and it finds a crack it's going to go through at a very high velocity.A good estimation of how fast those gasses are escaping is to look at muzzle where the gasses escape at about 10,000 fps behind the exiting bullet.Hot gas moving at 9 times the speed of sound will remove unsecured meat.BACK BLAST AREA CLEAR!
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Posted: 1/22/2008 12:43:45 PM EDT
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I don't shoot anything above .357 magnum- my dick is big enough and have nothing to prove.
RR |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 12:47:52 PM EDT
[#45]
Ouch!
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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:05:38 PM EDT
[#46]
Do you really think we are that stupid with your mincing of words? The only evidence I have seen so far is user malfunction and stupidity of not RTFM, or in this case, just looking at the warning pictures. I'd say you need to get friendly with a lawyer. With your stupidity of handling firearms and your street racer, and the stupidity seen with jurors, you will will have ample opportunities to blame others for money. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:07:20 PM EDT
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Tag for gun pics.
I'm really curious about it. NOTE: not more pics of your thumb... I couldn't scroll fast enough. 
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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:10:12 PM EDT
[#48]
Hahaha, thanks for the laugh ... I needed that. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:14:20 PM EDT
[#49]
 without some sort of documentation.
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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:14:24 PM EDT
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Please back off--he has a very reasonable attitude under the circumstances. There is no reason to attack him. |
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