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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:19:31 PM EDT
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Some people just can't help themselves. The internet is the only outlet in their miserable life. Hey, on a good note I haven't had to take a single pain pill today. It hurts, but bearable. I'll certainly take a couple before cleaning it again tonight though! |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:20:28 PM EDT
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Sheesh, some people are closed loop as soon as they hear the word lawsuit. Some people just need to get over it. I have no doubt that the OP was doped to the gills first off, and no doubt that he probably didn't have a clue on what cylinder gap blast can do to flesh. I'd bet more then a few people here didn't have a clue either, it's real, it's dangerous, and it's normal for a revolver to do it.
I'd bet the firearm will be perfectly fine, I still would like to know how many fired cartridges were in the firearm after it happened and if it matches up with the original count of rounds fired. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:20:30 PM EDT
[#3]
Bingo.............. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:26:03 PM EDT
[#4]
Hey shouldnt you be out protesting at city hall or something? 
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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:30:47 PM EDT
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+1 Hope you feel heal up OK. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:35:35 PM EDT
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I guess pics are posted? Oh boy, can't wait to sift through 30 pages to find them
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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:39:58 PM EDT
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Thanks, and I'm glad I started this thread. The people in here have given me more hope than the hand specialist who inspected the injury did! Listening to him really got me down ... Now my main concern in the anasthesia during and after the surgery. More people die from allergies to anasthesia than anything, although I did get put out once when I was 17 and had a couple knee surgeries. That paralyzed but awake feeling afterward was terrible. I remember my Mom trying to give me a glass of orange juice and my mouth not working at all, it just ran down my face. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:40:35 PM EDT
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pg 17 I think ... |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:45:22 PM EDT
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Maybe it was being cradled from underneath like the fore-end of a rifle to hold the frame down in recoil with the left hand? That puts the thumb right in the danger zone. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:50:38 PM EDT
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Umm NO he had his thumb at the cylinder gap. Shoot a magnum revolver in the waning light at sundown and be shocked at the gas that escapes from the gap. This is why those Revolver Carbines have no fore stock  This was pure Operator Headspace and Timing. Sorry OP but it is true. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 1:57:09 PM EDT
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However... You cannot be serious with the statement in red.. Unless the gun is in pieces, IMHO, this is 100% your fault. I really appreciate your candor, and telling all of us to watch the fuck out, etc.. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the product. That's like saying a car manufacturer is at fault if I run over my foot & break a bone. The weight of the vehicle is too great.. It should have been made of styrofoam, then it couldn't have broken my foot.. please. I'm starting to think you're after $$.... Again, hope you heal up, and maybe after you're done with the pain meds you're taking, things will clear up for you a bit. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 2:06:11 PM EDT
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Quoted:
You cannot be serious with the statement in red.. Of course he is serious, his opening statement to all of arfcom was "460xvr blew my thumb off" not "I blew my thumb off". 
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Posted: 1/22/2008 2:15:24 PM EDT
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ouch!
you certainly have my attention! I'm not a hand gun person, but in the event that I do shoot a revolver I will be sure to keep my fingers away from wherever yours were! I would certainly examine the firearm for any noticeable defects, I wouldn't jump to say it was S&W's fault (I don't know much about handguns), but if it's true and you shouldn't have your digits near the cylinder gap, then I'd say its the same story as if you had your hand in front of the barrel? if your fingers shouldn't be there, they shouldn't be there... it's a firearm, you know the possibilities.... |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 2:19:00 PM EDT
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Even though you said you are not thinking of a suit, you mentioned "them settling out of court to keep bad PR at a minimum". Assuming that we do not see any handgun or ammo with obvious signs of failure, I can only hope that they do NOT settle for ANY money. Stupid HURTS and is not covered under any warranty. S&W and Corbon were made aware of this thread late last night. S.O. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 2:19:54 PM EDT
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TurboFan, I've got to admitt you've got some balls posting your story, knowing full well all the flack and accusations that would be thrown at you. Thru it all you've maintained your cool and never came across as being angry. You seem pretty rational to me and from what you've said, willing to accept your responsibility in this if that proves to be the case. Good luck on the healing process my friend.
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Posted: 1/22/2008 2:25:47 PM EDT
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Weak. Make sure we all going running and tattling the next time you do anything stupid - that is, if you have the guts to post about it. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 2:40:20 PM EDT
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Holy fucking hell!!!! 
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Posted: 1/22/2008 2:46:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2008 2:47:19 PM EDT
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I'm working up the courage now to do another cleaning! Woohoo, more unbearable pain ...
The gun should be here soon too for inspection, my Uncle is dropping it off on his way home from work. Either read it all or don't post your judgement please. There's obviously no reason for me to seek a suit or settlement if it was my fault. And I realize chances are it WAS my fault, but there's also a chance it wasn't. I haven't decided anything yet, why would anyone else? Just relax and lay off the personal attacks. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 2:48:30 PM EDT
[#20]
Hey! That's my line! 
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Posted: 1/22/2008 2:48:57 PM EDT
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Good luck on your recovery, Turbo...that is gonna be rough for a while.
Bryan P.S. Thanks for posting this, My Wife has learned a valuable lesson without bloodshed and I believe many have benefitted from your post. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 2:49:36 PM EDT
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Damn, that looks worse than Fred's dismal campaign.
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Posted: 1/22/2008 2:52:20 PM EDT
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I hope things work out for you...
(I'll stick with my Glock) |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 2:56:16 PM EDT
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Why should they not know? Is this a state secret? This guy does something stupid and while says he doesn't expect to sue mentions "settlement". Where is the problem in telling them about this?  Hell with almost 60k views, my guess I was not the 1st. I don't want guns to go up in price due to insurance costs due to what seems so far owner induced stupidity. Not to mention bad PR for guns and gun owners.Oh, and I have done plenty of stupid stuff, but nothing that can have an impact on your money or freedom. Drove a Z-28 through a farmers fence due to excess speed and gravel around a corner Dumped a motorcycle in an intersection due to ogling a hot blonde. Totaled a car due to goofing around... None of it cost anyone here anything. I was dumb and took it on the chin, no insurance company or others peoples money or cops involved. I paid the cost of any damage and never talked about suing the farmer for placing his fence where I might drive through it or the blond for being to attractive or for mother nature having rained on a dirt back road and goofing off. Like I said stupid hurts... S.O. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:03:56 PM EDT
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Don't do that. Stay ahead of the pain. Its better that way. Believe me, stay ahead of it. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:10:54 PM EDT
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Thats fucking gnarly, something to show and tell to the grandkids.
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:25:11 PM EDT
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Well it looks like you didn't read the manual at all.
First it tells you to start off shooting the gun with the lowest power loads it will take, you started with the 460 rounds. You should have started with a .45 LC. Second you didn't even read the sections on hand position, because to get a "cut" like that your hand had to be forward of the cylnder gap. The manual specifically says not to do this. Your thumb isn't all that fucked up. It looks like mostly soft tissue which grows back. Take this as a life lesson, and then go take an NRA revolver specific class. It would be like somone getting in a RX-7, not reading the manual or following standard safe driving practices. Getting crazy on a curvy road at high speed and wrecking. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:30:23 PM EDT
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Actually I have about 20 .45 long colt rounds through it, 12 .460 rounds. On the day this happened I shot 5 LC rounds, then loaded up the .460. And I've said a few times in this thread that I'm confident my thumb was back near or slightly behind the rear of the cylinder, although the thumb was still partially vertical and not a grip I should have used.
But I know the urge to be an internet know-it-all isa almost unbearable. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:33:49 PM EDT
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We arn't know it alls. We just know guns. If your thumb was behind the cylinder the only way for it to have done this is: 1. Case/primer failure. 2. Firearm failure. You better call a lawyer. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:36:45 PM EDT
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In your original post you said you just put 12 .460 rounds through it, nothing more. I am going off of what you said. I stand by my original post, good luck with your finger. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:39:43 PM EDT
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You are now confident about your thumb being behind the cylinder but before you posted this; "There's a chance my thumb slipped up to near the cylinder gap, but I think this is still a fatal flaw in the gun. A long time ago before I knew anything I had my left hand right by the cylinder gap on a .357 mag and got a nice burn and a bit of blood seeped out. But if having enough gas escaping out the side of the gun to remove fingers is part of the design, all I can say is WTF were they thinking?" Which story is the real one? |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:39:44 PM EDT
[#32]
Yep,
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:47:01 PM EDT
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My hands are freaking huge, and my thumbs cannot reach far enough forward with a thumbs forward grip to reach the end of that huge cylinder.
NO FUCKING WAY! The BS detector is pegged out all the way on this one. You probably cradled the pistol with your left hand when you fired and it bit you. I will stop by a gun store tomorrow and take a picture of this or a similar pistol in my shrek like hands and see if I can pull it off! |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:47:16 PM EDT
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Damn man, sorry to see such an injury. I hope you recover to the fullest extent possible.
No one should have to go through that type of an injury... |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:49:38 PM EDT
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This thread just makes me want to buy a 460 more....
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:51:57 PM EDT
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That thumb is gnaaarly. I think you are going to lose the nail.
Why is everybody up your ass about how it happened? Methinks internet people like to prove they are smarter than average, every one of them. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:59:40 PM EDT
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Because he made a mistake and there is a lot of talk about suing this entity or that entity. I cut my thumb off right at the nail bed on a table saw. I was pissed at myself, but I never thought about suing the maker of the blade or the table saw. It was my brainfart that caused the accident. Unless there was a case failure or the cylinder blew apart, there is only one way this happened. He had his thumb by the cylinder gap. That is not a manufacturing defect. That is an unfortunate accident caused by operator error. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 4:07:33 PM EDT
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If he sues someone because he made a mistake, then he is full of shit. Do you want this dude to sue S&W? |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 4:09:14 PM EDT
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Me thinks people like you that don't read the thread to figure out what the bone of contention is regarding this incident, make it very easy for people to prove they are smarter. Instead of making a silly statement that is logically ridiculous perhaps you should have read the thread and answered this yourself. I'll recap it for you though since you are apparently not willing to figure this out. OP made a claim that either the revolver or the ammo was at fault for hurting his hand Some of us razzed the OP until he posted pictures OP showed us pictures Some recognize that as a wound caused by improper handling of the firearm Others ask questions like you did in hopes of stirring up shit SOME (not everybody) has been a bit harsh with the OP but frankly we are adults and that can be expected. Were I to do this my friends even my best friends would give me even more of a hard time. FAR worse. The OP is in pain The OP is handling it well but like many of us throughout life, his first tendency was to blame something other than his own actions for the injury. More people like you chime in that are apparently overly sensitive and not used to grown up talk and ask questions like why is EVERYBODY up his ass when clearly that isn't the case. Some of are smarter than folks that ask patently stupid questions and some of us have enough experience with revolvers to be able to tell what happened. Others got a bit pissed about lawsuit discussions regardless of whether it was by the OP or not. The OP has hurt himself I think all of us have done stupid things and we all at least feel a little sorry for him some of us more than others. Some of us bet the OPs thumb will never ever get near the forcing cone/front of the cylinder again. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 4:12:31 PM EDT
[#40]
Mostly because it will be to short. S.O. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 4:20:26 PM EDT
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This might be one of those great threads where the OP should stop posting until he comes back with pictures of the pistol.
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Posted: 1/22/2008 4:35:25 PM EDT
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Doubling did indeed happen with the first run of the .500s. It's a fairly well documented problem. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 4:35:48 PM EDT
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I am not pissed because the guy hurt himself. I hope him a quick recovery.
But! If this guys sues, then he is a scum bag and deserves our disdain. He fucked up. S&W had warnings in the owners manual and he didn't pay any attention to them and got hurt. If he reached under the deck of his lawn mower and got the same damage, how many of us would be talking about sueing somebody? He would not be thinking about law suits and we would all be worried about his quick recovery. If he did talk about sueing, we would all call him a dumbass. PS. I only read the first 10 pages because I don't want to see gnarly pics of destruction. There were 2 references by the OP about someone elses liability for the situation in those 10 pages. That is why I am a little tweeked about this. 
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Posted: 1/22/2008 4:40:22 PM EDT
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Concur. Poor thumb placement is what happened. It comes from using pistol shooting techniques with revolvers. You can cross your thumbs on a revolver as it does afford you better control. Parallel thumbs on a revolver don't make sense.
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Posted: 1/22/2008 4:41:13 PM EDT
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Sorry about the thumb, Have you checked out the revolverl yet , we want to know if that was the cause . I have a 460 with at least 500 rnds thru it , mostly 460 as I load my own. Ive never had a problem with lock up or timing. That pistol is made to withstand enormous pressures, I believe a catosstrophic failure would have done a lot more damage than the tip of your thumb, Pics of revolver would be greatly appreciated.
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Posted: 1/22/2008 4:48:32 PM EDT
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Sadly, it seems to be the first.
I was feeling bad for the OP until the litigious muscle began to be flexed. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 4:58:14 PM EDT
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I have very large hands and I could not reach the cylinder gap with any normal grip. Thumbs forward would not even get close to the gap. Think about it! Put your hands in a normal thumbs forward grip. My thumb ends up even with my trigger finger. There is no way it was a normal grip. I would be extemely understanding if he just said I screwed up and didn't blame S&W. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 5:18:33 PM EDT
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Thanks for posting your story.
I hope it all works out for you. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 5:22:30 PM EDT
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 No, it is not a hillbilly laser sight. I was showing a neighbor how much movement there is when pulling a double action trigger. That is why the laser level is on the .460 but it shows that if you were to hold it with the "cup and saucer" grip but placed the "saucer" (your cupped left palm) on the trigger guard instead of the grip, your thumb could easily be in perfect alignment with the front plane of the cylinder. |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 5:26:45 PM EDT
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Beautiful gun. A PC piece? S.O. |
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