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Posted: 8/12/2004 3:19:30 AM EDT
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Because "better" = "The way I like it." The 1911 design can be easily modified to fit the needs and taste of each individual shooter, which is what all that stuff about triggers, hammers, etc. is about. It allows the gun to fit the user, not the other way around. An out of the box 1911 made by a reputable manufacturer is going to be usable out of the box. The biggest issue it may have, other than needing to be broken in at the range, is a certain disposition towards certain types of ammo. Personally, I own a 1911, but I wouldn't mind owning a Sig at all. However, I think the 1911 design has endured for so long because it's an effective design that works. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 8:20:52 AM EDT
[#2]
Excuse me while I revoke your credibility license. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 8:22:55 AM EDT
[#3]
The HK Mark 23 is by far the best .45 handgun available today, barred none.
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Posted: 8/12/2004 8:26:59 AM EDT
[#4]
 BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 8:38:09 AM EDT
[#5]
I have both. Both are very good guns and equally reliable with ball ammo. Hollowpoint ammo, advantage to Sig. Accuracy, small advantage to 1911 (DA to SA transfer still screws me up). I would take the 1911 into combat, but daily carry would be the Sig. YMMV.
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Posted: 8/12/2004 8:42:23 AM EDT
[#6]
I agree. The 220 is much more difficult to detail strip than the 1911! |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 8:47:04 AM EDT
[#7]
Both...
But, truely, my heart is with the 1911; a fine pistol by any one's standards. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 9:18:47 AM EDT
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To which the point could be raised, if the AR is so great, why are there hardly any stock ones? My choice is a SIG. Mine is with me, or very close to me at ALL times. With practice, I have learned to appreciate the DA first shot-you have to WANT to fire that first round, but it does not require the first step of scrubbing the safety...a step that will become, with training, part of the draw-giving you a relatively light trigger pull in a stress situation. My point being, the Colt requires more training (not neccesarily a bad thing) to be consistant, fast, AND safe. I'll stick with my SIG for me, but I would not hesitate to use a Colt if that is what I had. Now about those 9's..... Nick |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 1:38:20 PM EDT
[#9]
LMAO. I bet you like desert eagles too. 
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Posted: 8/12/2004 1:44:20 PM EDT
[#10]
1911, I don't really see the need to have a long trigger pull on the first round, I am smart enough to keep my finger off the trigger!
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Posted: 8/12/2004 1:48:17 PM EDT
[#11]
Some of us prefer to not have to drop a safety. 
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Posted: 8/12/2004 2:15:55 PM EDT
[#12]
my vote is for the 1911
The 220 is a fine pistol but when you tweek one (especially the trigger ) it cant shine a candle to a similarly tweeked 1911 trigger. If the smith knows what he's doing anyway. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 2:18:38 PM EDT
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I sold my 1911 to buy a P220. I also sold my P35 for a P228 but thats another [similar] story.
I bought a 1911 to modify later on, but when I started shopping for parts and gunsmiths I realized it was cheaper to sell the mil-spec and buy a loaded model! However, while shopping for loaded models I coulden't find ONE 1911 that was up to par (price, fit, finish, etc...). I finally gave in and bought a P220 and I coulden't be happier. With the 1911 (& P35) I was always thinking of the next upgrade or fretting over finish wear cause I might need to sell it to buy the loaded model, which negated enjoying it! Buying my Sig's was kind of like reaching the end of a long journey. Other peoples journeys end up elsewhere and thats perfectly OK, so long as they're happy with their purchase. So in conclusion I think the P220 is the best for your money. You get all the accuracy and quality parts in the P220 for less money than a decked out 1911. I'll definately be owning another 1911 some day, but I'm in no hurry. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 2:28:57 PM EDT
[#14]
Sig's are for FAGS and YUPPIES. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 2:39:45 PM EDT
[#15]
I'd take the SIG 220 in a heartbeat over the 1911.
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Posted: 8/12/2004 2:53:37 PM EDT
[#16]
Or Navy SEALs. The Sig is a fine pistol any way you cut it, saying things like that only shows that you lack credibility. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 2:58:33 PM EDT
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Oh yeah?! Well 1911's are for crotchity old farts, broken down one eyed sailors and prison barbers!  |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 2:59:27 PM EDT
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No kidding. I'd take a full size USP .45 over the Mark 23 any day. The grip on that thing is huge, and the gun is damn near Desert Eagle sized. Cool when they first came out, but once you've held one, unless you're a fuckin' giant, you'd find a smaller pistol a LOT more practical. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 3:02:00 PM EDT
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IMHO - In order of what I like.
1) Sig 220 2) HK USP 3) 1911 But that's just me-  Edit - Because I can't spelllll |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 3:06:28 PM EDT
[#20]
Best (of the two)? Sig
Favorite? 1911 |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 3:10:07 PM EDT
[#21]
You sir, are a COMMIE! |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 3:14:41 PM EDT
[#22]
Well... 
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Posted: 8/12/2004 3:16:42 PM EDT
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Own both. For combat, I am sorry to say it as a 1911 fan but I prefer the Sig. The trigger is smooth, especially for a DA. DA with no safety means no fumbling during the stress of combat. Field stripping a Sig takes no tools and it has well designed moving parts in the protected trigger assembly area. It is just as safe as a 1911, and accurate for all hell right out of the box.
I currently carry a 1911, but I question going back to the Sig just because of the legal issues of carrying it cocked and locked versus a DA. That said, I have owned 2 sigs, 1 straight combat model 220, the other a 220ST that could outshoot very expensive customs. I finally sold it for much more than I paid to a competitor who got tired of looking at my groups when in the slot next to me at the range. In the end it doesn't matter as the enemy on the other end of the muzzle is toast! My 2 cents anyway. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 3:22:00 PM EDT
[#24]
i have 'a' sig. it's not all that.
i have 7 or 8 1911's. rock solid american performance. the 1911 is my choice. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 3:29:37 PM EDT
[#25]
Now, do you have 7 or 8 1911's.... 
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Posted: 8/12/2004 3:30:45 PM EDT
[#26]
So, you must own a bunch of Sigs. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 3:31:23 PM EDT
[#27]
+1 |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 3:36:15 PM EDT
[#28]
I have owned both, at one time I had 6 sig pistols, I now have NONE...
I pre-fer the 1911, for me they shoot better, fit my hand better, faster follow up shots, less muzzle flip. I did alot of research when I switched to the 1911, and decided on Kimber, the 2 I have are flawless out of the box. I will give the sig design this, it is a good design, but the company sucks ass. enough said about that, it has been covered before. The sigs I had, some were good, other were not, the 226 I had, sucked, I hated it, but it has been a good one to the guy that bought it, so it was the ergonomics that I did not like. I owned 2 220s`, one a .45, which I did not like at all, and traded it for a AR, the other a 220 9mm, which I sold and then bought a Kimber. I owned 2 239s`, but sold them off, the 1911 is lighter and slimmer to carry. even beat the 225 9mm I had, my Kimber Pro CDP is lighter than the 225 9mm is. I also had 229 and sold it as well. If a sig is what you like, great, have a blast, but I will take a 1911 anyday....... |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 3:54:41 PM EDT
[#29]
Are we not feeling loved? 
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Posted: 8/12/2004 4:04:15 PM EDT
[#30]
And this relates to Fags and Yuppies..................HOW?  When an emergency arises.................DIAL 1 911 |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 4:15:32 PM EDT
[#31]
What a joke! Ask any gunsmith what he works on most often. Did someone actually use the reliable and dependable words applied to 1911's? In my unit we shot the crap out of both and we easily had 50 failures of 1911's for every SIG failure. In fact, more than that since we had almost no failures with the SIG's. Even lord Browning himself was working on an improved pistol design when he died. Yea, I like 1911's, usually after about another $200's in work to make them reasonably reliable.
This was a joke, right? |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 4:22:52 PM EDT
[#32]
I picked the 1911 because there are 2 ACTIVE safeties (Grip & Thumb) as opposed to ZERO active safeties on the Sig, and I have NO PROBLEM with carrying something cocked and locked.
Your question/assessment of the pistols' differences sum things up nicely:
I F#CKING HATE double action triggers! They are NOWHERE NEAR as smooth and crisp as a good 1911 trigger. If you like having a HARD TRIGGER PULL (which DOES hinder accuracy) that's fine. However, if I need my FIRST SHOT PLACEMENT to be PERFECT, I'm going to want the first shot to be a light, crisp, smooth single-action shot. From the time you start squeezing the trigger of a double action trigger to the time when it fires you can experience significant (usually horizontal) movement of the handgun, and your accuracy can suffer. For fast and accurate first shot placement, choose a decent single-action 1911A1. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 4:37:25 PM EDT
[#33]
Five 1911s but only one SiG 220 (and 226 and 229). Four out of five 1911s will outshoot the all the SIGs.
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Posted: 8/12/2004 4:39:39 PM EDT
[#34]
Those are fine arguments for a single action trigger, but the single action trigger on my P220 is just as good if not better than a stock 1911's SA trigger. The DA pull on a Sig is the best of them all and with practice I've become real good with it. I like the no safety aspect of the Sig. It's like a glock except it's all metal and you have the option of engaging the single action before a confrontation. Competition wise the P220 beat the 1911 recently, so speed and accuracy is limited to the SHOOTER and not the pistol. Inherent accuracy is built into the Sig where MOST 1911's requires a little tweaking and a little extra money to reach that equal. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 4:42:03 PM EDT
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Sig's are ALSO the official pistol of "The Pink Pistols". Check the website, you know you got it book marked! 
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Posted: 8/12/2004 4:47:57 PM EDT
[#36]
1911's can be easier to shoot accurately, because of thier excellent single action trigger. As for actual accuracy, you'd be hard pressed to find any autoloader more accurate than a SIG.
Most of us grew up shooting single action autos, and becoming comfortable with a double action trigger can be difficult. Use what works best for you. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 5:00:22 PM EDT
[#37]
I'm surprised no one has brought up this P220 article; The 10,000 round torture test. While I do like 1911's I can't see doing this with a 1911. Nor do I see "any" 1911 becoming "more" accurate after such abuse.
www.galleryofguns.com/shootingtimes/Articles/DisplayArticles.asp?ID=1230 |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 5:07:38 PM EDT
[#38]
I knew about this too. I was just waiting for someone to bring it out. 
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Posted: 8/12/2004 6:26:08 PM EDT
[#39]
Why wouldn't the Glock 21 be a better choice than the Sig? You get the single action trigger pull, more mag capacity, and a lighter weapon that has had all of the torture test done to it and passed? |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 6:30:50 PM EDT
[#40]
Because it would go 'Kaboom' after a few months! BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 6:49:13 PM EDT
[#41]
 Charlie |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 6:52:09 PM EDT
[#42]
It's not a true single action trigger. It's a half-breed of sorts. I like Glocks, overall. I dislike their lack of a manual safety and single action trigger. Also, the grip feels ill-proportioned to me. Just a personal preference thing; they are very fine weapons. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 6:56:50 PM EDT
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I see your 220 has the older sheet metal slide. I was wondering if Sig is making the newer p220's with the solid stainless slides now (like they did with the newer p226), or if they stuck with the sheet metal slide. I prefer the sheet metal, because it's lighter, the cocking serrations are full length, and the extractor is completely shrouded, unlike the newer stainless slides. I own four 1911's and I'm thinking it's time to get a 220. I still like the 1911 better, though. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 7:21:32 PM EDT
[#44]
1911
(would have said Glock 21 but I have been converted recently )
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Posted: 8/12/2004 7:29:31 PM EDT
[#45]
Yes the Glock holds more rounds but it is like holding a 2x4.
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Posted: 8/12/2004 7:41:35 PM EDT
[#46]
Care of rambosky....
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Posted: 8/12/2004 7:44:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/12/2004 7:57:42 PM EDT
[#48]
1911A1.
Period. |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 8:47:18 PM EDT
[#49]
It was a tossup for me, I was looking at the Kimbers when I got it, had them pull a USP out for me ( I shoot my 9mm one well ) and the grip angle was about the same on the Sig and the Kimber was a little more upright. Seemed funny to me and didn't point as naturally as the HK did for me, ended up buying the Sig and don't regret it one bit. Got about 4000 rounds through it, never a problem, like a fucking timex. Charlie |
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Posted: 8/12/2004 9:47:30 PM EDT
[#50]
I've had several 1911s and still have one. A Commander actually.
The only time I've shot or handled a 220 is when my wife and I were shooting for our CCW permits. She shot the 1911, and I shot the instructors Sig. It was at least as accurate as any Colt I have ever shot, (but at 7 yards, who cares?) but I had one failure to feed. Now, my wife claims the Colt and I want a Sig! The bottom line, I think, is to buy the one that fits you. Shoot the hell out of it. Be happy. AL |
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