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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:41:29 AM EDT
[#1]
Fuck it I want to go home the same way I left.
If that means we do more safety theater than work I'm totally fine with that. THAT is what they want to pay me for I'm all for it. 8 years at the current job zero injuries. Well worth it to me. Working safe is cheaper for the company and better for me. Better question is why do you moan and bitch about it? YOU ARE GETTING PAID TO DO IT. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:41:36 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This thread is posted on a board where people refuse to go into a city like Atlanta and carry a gun every day and own nods and plate armor for the lowest of low probability events… clearly obsessed with their own safety. The key words are “their own safety”. It’s fine to be your own caretaker, it’s where you’re obsessed with collective safety to the point of curtailing freedom of others that you jump the tracks. There’s common sense to being able to defend one’s self against possible violence, there’s none in removing that ability to the law abiding. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:42:09 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Animating contest?" Sounds like some liberal BS. I'm going to buy some land in the middle of nowhere and hide in a cave like a proper conservative. Lol, it is liberal, classical liberal. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:43:11 AM EDT
[#4]
Collectivism vs individualism changes risk perception drastically.
100 million individuals may all accept a 1% risk. Fascists/socialists see that as a guarantee of a million costly problems. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:43:25 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stupid. He's talking about the excessive and compulsive risk aversion in the US. At least one large part of the problem is trial lawyers who have no risk to losing a liability case. We need to become a "loser pays" system so when these ridiculous lawsuits fail the plaintiff pays, including for damaged reputation of the defendant. The Supreme Court needs to make it clear that rigorous science is used in court. That means rigorous statistical methods so that juries can't be swayed by emotional clustering phenomena. This points back to a shitty education system with a bunch of simplistic, superficial, superstitious, gullible jurors. And emotion-driven jurors, i.e., women. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: List of people to never invite to a gun range: Wrangler99 Stupid. He's talking about the excessive and compulsive risk aversion in the US. At least one large part of the problem is trial lawyers who have no risk to losing a liability case. We need to become a "loser pays" system so when these ridiculous lawsuits fail the plaintiff pays, including for damaged reputation of the defendant. The Supreme Court needs to make it clear that rigorous science is used in court. That means rigorous statistical methods so that juries can't be swayed by emotional clustering phenomena. This points back to a shitty education system with a bunch of simplistic, superficial, superstitious, gullible jurors. And emotion-driven jurors, i.e., women. Trial lawyers don't explain why so many here are afraid to leave their house, or even answer their door. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:43:56 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stupid. He's talking about the excessive and compulsive risk aversion in the US. At least one large part of the problem is trial lawyers who have no risk to losing a liability case. We need to become a "loser pays" system so when these ridiculous lawsuits fail the plaintiff pays, including for damaged reputation of the defendant. The Supreme Court needs to make it clear that rigorous science is used in court. That means rigorous statistical methods so that juries can't be swayed by emotional clustering phenomena. This points back to a shitty education system with a bunch of simplistic, superficial, superstitious, gullible jurors. And emotion-driven jurors, i.e., women. Thank the whole “zero tolerance” movement of the 1990’s that essentially removed discretionary judgement from public service. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:44:56 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is one area. It seems like many of the things done in that area result from an excessive ‘what if’ game. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What specifically are you referring to? Like OSHA/work safety? That is one area. It seems like many of the things done in that area result from an excessive ‘what if’ game. most of that is based off of actual numbers of long term trends in worker injuries and fatalities. The amount of workers dying have actually been staying pretty level surprisingly. And osha / federal is really easy to deal with in reality. Now they are focusing a lot of fining residential roofers without fall protection so yea they are butthurt. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:45:20 AM EDT
[#8]
Somebody realized that having an abundance of stupid people around keep them in power. Stupid people do stupid things and die. If you enforce safety to keep stupid people alive, you get votes to keep yourself in power.
It's all about keeping politicians in power. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:46:50 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Collectivism vs individualism changes risk perception drastically. 100 million individuals may all accept a 1% risk. Fascists/socialists see that as a guarantee of a million costly problems. Yet their complete perception of collectives being a lowered face value insures more perish from systemic neglect and mismanagement. They actually kill more from operating a neutered and dependent society |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:48:53 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The key words are “their own safety”. It’s fine to be your own caretaker, it’s where you’re obsessed with collective safety to the point of curtailing freedom of others that you jump the tracks. There’s common sense to being able to defend one’s self against possible violence, there’s none in removing that ability to the law abiding. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This thread is posted on a board where people refuse to go into a city like Atlanta and carry a gun every day and own nods and plate armor for the lowest of low probability events… clearly obsessed with their own safety. The key words are “their own safety”. It’s fine to be your own caretaker, it’s where you’re obsessed with collective safety to the point of curtailing freedom of others that you jump the tracks. There’s common sense to being able to defend one’s self against possible violence, there’s none in removing that ability to the law abiding. Gun control doesn’t provide safety. You can’t wish guns away, so bad people will always be able to get them, the same way people can get drugs now even though they are illegal. Speaking from personal experience, I’ve lived in countries with strict gun rules, and could always buy a gun black market within an hour if I wanted. I take this thread to be about safety in general. And we have a huge number of people on here who refuse to even travel internationally because they are so concerned about safety. We just had a thread where some guy wouldn’t let his 17 year old son go to spring break in Florida. I’ve never seen a group of people so fearful. But if you say it’s about gun control, sure, that is BS. And doesn’t lead to safety at all. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:50:39 AM EDT
[#11]
Making something safe is code for eliminating something.
The west was made safe for high society eastern women by wiping out tribes in the old west. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:51:37 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Y'all should move to China if you bitch about safety regulations so much. Want a zero fucks given society, that's what China is.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZBaE6s0kOo
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:51:39 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted: Nothing great was ever achieved by playing it safe. In each quarter the focus seems to be on 'being safe' My theory is that we are in a feminized era. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:52:05 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted: GD- safety is for pussies, women ruined everything, we are weak and scared Also GD- I don’t go swimming at the beach because I’m terrified of sharks, and I won’t go on vacation without being strapped like John Wick  Exaggeration regarding members here.Quoted: Safety third. In a free society safety is your personal responsibility. You want individual rights? Accept it. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." The left loves to change the context of that quote because they love to exploit people’s insecurities for their own political benefit. Freedom is called an “animating contest” for a reason, it isn’t for the timid or meek. @tsg68   "Safety third" - a Mike Rowe (no pussified liberal) quote. Companies exist for profit, not safety. They have safety protocols to mitigate financial losses, not because they care about you or your family. I like real safety. I despise fake safety. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:53:12 AM EDT
[#15]
When I first started working as an Engineer at Underwriters Laboratories, I would often get a pang of guilt for circumventing the Will of Darwin.
I eventually got over it because my group developed a reputation for Listing shit that no other group was crazy enough to touch. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 11:59:58 AM EDT
[#16]
Workplace safety is profit driven. Some companies are just smarter than others, meaning - if your company takes it seriously, they are smart as they understand what impact a series of bad injuries can have, and if your company doesn't do it, it doesn't mean you're "tough", it means you're fucking stupid.
You wouldn't believe the number of stupid people / companies out there. Also, people don't like discomfort anymore. They don't want to be challenged with things that are uncomfortable. So they are willing to shrink their world and their lives in order to avoid it. Including and especially at your expense as well. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:00:18 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We need to become a "loser pays" system so when these ridiculous lawsuits fail the plaintiff pays, including for damaged reputation of the defendant. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:00:38 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted: Nothing great was ever achieved by playing it safe. In each quarter the focus seems to be on ‘being safe’ My theory is that we are in a feminized era. OP, you have it exactly backwards: GD is obsessed with safety. Society at large, is pretty ambivalent about it. Society pushed the clot shot, which as we know, was the most dangerous medical experiment since Dr. Mengela plied his trade. Society is recklessly gambling that Putin won’t launch all of his Nuclear Arms. GD is terrified of this eventuality. Society is ambivalent about the threats caused by Unchecked Immigration, Deficit Spending, Inflation, Affirmative Action,Transvestism and the whole Woke agenda. GD is apoplectic with fear, both real and imagined. At least 20% of GD is afraid to fly on commercial airliners! No exaggeration. I wish I was kidding, but the terror is all to real. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:07:45 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Females voters. The average American has become so desensitized to danger, they are incapable of identifying and mitigating it. What this dude said. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:16:17 PM EDT
[#20]
It's just the product of the ever increasing desire from the majority of Americans to relieve themselves of any personal responsibility for their lives and the emotional ease of laying blame at the feet of anyone possible other than the "victim."
That will inevitably be taken by safety cultists as "arguing against safety" the same way gun controllers want to make any argument against gun control policy as "well I guess you're ok with dead children" furthering the slide into ever more ludicrous generalities rather than thinking critically about the specific policy in question and whether it will have the intended effect or if the effect is worth the cost. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:27:00 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: healthcare costs have risen -- as have the costs associated with litigation so spending some efforts / money to PREVENT accidents is likely a worthwhile investment That being said, there are some human endeavors that are inherently high risk and it is foolish to avoid those endeavors entirely or to expect that accidents will never occur. Culturally we're at a point where we complain about taking reasonable precautions as being too much of a hassle while also expecting all risk to be removed from all things. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:37:24 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gun control doesn’t provide safety. You can’t wish guns away, so bad people will always be able to get them, the same way people can get drugs now even though they are illegal. Speaking from personal experience, I’ve lived in countries with strict gun rules, and could always buy a gun black market within an hour if I wanted. I take this thread to be about safety in general. And we have a huge number of people on here who refuse to even travel internationally because they are so concerned about safety. We just had a thread where some guy wouldn’t let his 17 year old son go to spring break in Florida. I’ve never seen a group of people so fearful. But if you say it’s about gun control, sure, that is BS. And doesn’t lead to safety at all. Safety is their own responsibility. The degree to which they take it is their personal liberty. There used to be sayings like “different strokes for different folks” and “to each his own”. Collectivist BS has purposely degraded those sentiments. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:47:24 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Safety is their own responsibility. The degree to which they take it is their personal liberty. There used to be sayings like “different strokes for different folks” and “to each his own”. Collectivist BS has purposely degraded those sentiments. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gun control doesn’t provide safety. You can’t wish guns away, so bad people will always be able to get them, the same way people can get drugs now even though they are illegal. Speaking from personal experience, I’ve lived in countries with strict gun rules, and could always buy a gun black market within an hour if I wanted. I take this thread to be about safety in general. And we have a huge number of people on here who refuse to even travel internationally because they are so concerned about safety. We just had a thread where some guy wouldn’t let his 17 year old son go to spring break in Florida. I’ve never seen a group of people so fearful. But if you say it’s about gun control, sure, that is BS. And doesn’t lead to safety at all. Safety is their own responsibility. The degree to which they take it is their personal liberty. There used to be sayings like “different strokes for different folks” and “to each his own”. Collectivist BS has purposely degraded those sentiments. I agree with what you say, but then the thread title should have been “why are people so obsessed with collectivism”. Because most posts were about risk aversion, and blaming women for a risk averse culture, and safety. And as I say, folks on here are the most risk averse I’ve ever seen, they are afraid of everything up to and including catching the gay from gay people and dying from pot needles. I wish I had a link to the thread where the guy asked “I’m in Atlanta, what should I do that’s fun”, and half the replies were “leave immediately, it’s too dangerous”. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:49:01 PM EDT
[#24]
Fear, weakness and infantilism.
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:53:42 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If that means we do more safety theater than work I'm totally fine with that. Better question is why do you moan and bitch about it? YOU ARE GETTING PAID TO DO IT. Desperately short sighted. If you are unproductive due to this safety theater then your employer will look for ways to increase efficiency. Like moving of as much of the work elsewhere as possible. You customers will look for better value options. It has negative consequences to you directly and to the economy more generally. Not to mention that doing things you know are nonsensical out of obedience is bad for your psyche. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:55:20 PM EDT
[#26]
We got too many folks around to obsess over safety...where's Darwin when you need him?
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:55:24 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most accidents are preventable. I personally don't want to ever have to explain to the family of a deceased employee that their loved one is never coming because we were too lazy or cheap to do things the right way. It doesn't even have to be about cost; organizations that value continuous improvement generally put safety first. That being said, there are some human endeavors that are inherently high risk and it is foolish to avoid those endeavors entirely or to expect that accidents will never occur. Culturally we're at a point where we complain about taking reasonable precautions as being too much of a hassle while also expecting all risk to be removed from all things. The thing people want to explain even less is that the employee circumvented all policy, procedure and engineered controls and killed themselves. So it must have been someone else's fault, the policy wasn't enforced, the controls insufficient, who can we sue? You can enforce safety policy to the maximum of your ability but it only needs to be circumvented once to result in injury. The 4 rules are the perfect example of this. Any one can break down and the other 3 will assure that no injury occurs. You can follow all 4 every day of your life until one day you ignore 2 and kill someone. Was that the fault of the 4 rule procedure or the individual not following it? |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:56:43 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Desperately short sighted. If you are unproductive due to this safety theater then your employer will look for ways to increase efficiency. Like moving of as much of the work elsewhere as possible. You customers will look for better value options. It has negative consequences to you directly and to the economy more generally. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If that means we do more safety theater than work I'm totally fine with that. Better question is why do you moan and bitch about it? YOU ARE GETTING PAID TO DO IT. Desperately short sighted. If you are unproductive due to this safety theater then your employer will look for ways to increase efficiency. Like moving of as much of the work elsewhere as possible. You customers will look for better value options. It has negative consequences to you directly and to the economy more generally. Not always the case. —- disregard.. Edited for my lack of reading comprehension. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:57:12 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stupid. He's talking about the excessive and compulsive risk aversion in the US. At least one large part of the problem is trial lawyers who have no risk to losing a liability case. We need to become a "loser pays" system so when these ridiculous lawsuits fail the plaintiff pays, including for damaged reputation of the defendant. The Supreme Court needs to make it clear that rigorous science is used in court. That means rigorous statistical methods so that juries can't be swayed by emotional clustering phenomena. This points back to a shitty education system with a bunch of simplistic, superficial, superstitious, gullible jurors. And emotion-driven jurors, i.e., women. That’s what tort reform was supposed to address. Loser pays for loss in frivolous suits. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:58:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:58:51 PM EDT
[#31]
You're responsible for your own safety. Hence the 2nd. Human brains still haven't conquered nature.
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Posted: 4/2/2023 12:59:25 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not always the case. Can tell you don’t know much about real life business. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If that means we do more safety theater than work I'm totally fine with that. Better question is why do you moan and bitch about it? YOU ARE GETTING PAID TO DO IT. Desperately short sighted. If you are unproductive due to this safety theater then your employer will look for ways to increase efficiency. Like moving of as much of the work elsewhere as possible. You customers will look for better value options. It has negative consequences to you directly and to the economy more generally. Not always the case. Can tell you don’t know much about real life business. Good working practices are a good thing. Read what I responded to - "spending more time on safety theater than work is fine and you shut up and do it because they're paying you". Safety theater is the enemy of actual safety, of good working practice, of productive and of creative thought. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:00:51 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, you have it exactly backwards: GD is obsessed with safety. Society at large, is pretty ambivalent about it. Society pushed the clot shot, which as we know, was the most dangerous medical experiment since Dr. Mengela plied his trade. Society is recklessly gambling that Putin won’t launch all of his Nuclear Arms. GD is terrified of this eventuality. Society is ambivalent about the threats caused by Unchecked Immigration, Deficit Spending, Inflation, Affirmative Action,Transvestism and the whole Woke agenda. GD is apoplectic with fear, both real and imagined. At least 20% of GD is afraid to fly on commercial airliners! No exaggeration. I wish I was kidding, but the terror is all to real. Is it terror or caution from evaluation? |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:01:57 PM EDT
[#34]
 Safety 3rd |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:03:00 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good working practices are a good thing. Read what I responded to - "spending more time on safety theater than work is fine and you shut up and do it because they're paying you". Safety theater is the enemy of actual safety, of good working practice, of productive and of creative thought. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If that means we do more safety theater than work I'm totally fine with that. Better question is why do you moan and bitch about it? YOU ARE GETTING PAID TO DO IT. Desperately short sighted. If you are unproductive due to this safety theater then your employer will look for ways to increase efficiency. Like moving of as much of the work elsewhere as possible. You customers will look for better value options. It has negative consequences to you directly and to the economy more generally. Not always the case. Can tell you don’t know much about real life business. Good working practices are a good thing. Read what I responded to - "spending more time on safety theater than work is fine and you shut up and do it because they're paying you". Safety theater is the enemy of actual safety, of good working practice, of productive and of creative thought. Thanks for the respectful response to my asshole post with failed reading comprehension. You are completely right. Edited my post |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:03:12 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Females voters. The average American has become so desensitized to danger, they are incapable of identifying and mitigating it. There is some validity to this point, but it's broader. As women took over education, their values have been promulgated to their students over decades. It's a fact that women are not men. Women value safety because they're wired for it. In my K-12 school, male teachers were probably 40% overall, and were >50% in the "hard" subjects - math, chem, physics. You'd be hard-pressed to see that today. Risk = icky. Team work >>> individual achievement. I could go on. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:03:13 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good working practices are a good thing. Read what I responded to - "spending more time on safety theater than work is fine and you shut up and do it because they're paying you". Safety theater is the enemy of actual safety, of good working practise, of productive and of creative thought. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If that means we do more safety theater than work I'm totally fine with that. Better question is why do you moan and bitch about it? YOU ARE GETTING PAID TO DO IT. Desperately short sighted. If you are unproductive due to this safety theater then your employer will look for ways to increase efficiency. Like moving of as much of the work elsewhere as possible. You customers will look for better value options. It has negative consequences to you directly and to the economy more generally. Not always the case. Can tell you don’t know much about real life business. Good working practices are a good thing. Read what I responded to - "spending more time on safety theater than work is fine and you shut up and do it because they're paying you". Safety theater is the enemy of actual safety, of good working practise, of productive and of creative thought. Every policy or procedure should be reviewed periodically to eliminate waste of going through motions that are no longer necessary. Safety, quality, production, doesn't matter. Unlike congress, business is incentivised to strike "laws" from the books that no longer serve their intended purpose. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:03:27 PM EDT
[#38]
Seems to me that even going back thousands of years people were building giant brick walls and castles, and wearing armor for safety.
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:05:21 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is one area. It seems like many of the things done in that area result from an excessive ‘what if’ game. I don't disagree that excessive safety hinders productivity and innovation, but I you make ght find that most of these regulations are not a result of "what if . . ." but rather "because of . . ." |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:11:21 PM EDT
[#40]
People want the drama in their lives. Since the chance of getting jumped by a mountain lion or stampeded by a buffalo is virtually nil folk have to make up for it in other ways. Placing guards over moving parts so idiots don't lose a finger is about as exciting as it gets anymore.
Safety third!! |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:19:05 PM EDT
[#41]
It's not just women, it's giving authority to third parties.
Insurance companies Civil litigation lawyers (product liability) Health care coverage (paid for by insurance companies) |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:19:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Media to include social has programmed the sheep that everything is dangerous.
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:20:41 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because we have allowed ourselves to be “led” by weak, evil people who see a strong, independent society as a threat to their power grab. They’ve indoctrinated the youth into being docile, weak subjects who yearn for the “safety” that only the all encompassing totalitarian hand of the government says it can provide. Becoming the foot soldiers to demand “change”. Not taking into account that very hand will be their demise as soon as the government deems them unworthy as well Quote for truth. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:21:35 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is one area. It seems like many of the things done in that area result from an excessive ‘what if’ game. You've never done a death investigation have you? 
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:24:07 PM EDT
[#45]
I have had safety beaten into my head from my job, refinery engineer, it is nothing to be taken lightly. I have seen fatalities from lack of safety and it made for some real bad days for everyone. We had people die from N2 exposure, electrocuted and some died in vessels.
I have seen first hand what not following a safety procedure can do, the destruction is amazing....we had a machinist by pass a turbine overspeed trip, running speed was 1800 RPM, we figure it came apart after is ran past 8000 RPM in less than 4 seconds...not enough time to say "oh shit" I have seen guys grabbed by the throat and hauled off a unit for doing something unsafe and then dared them to say anything. Where I worked and what my work involved you did not FUCK with safety. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:25:42 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An obligatory "loser pays" system removes the right to be made whole from the overwhelming majority of the US. Not true. Lawyers are already doing arbitrage by taking on poor clients and betting on a big fee return. Loser-pay merely makes the arbitrage less lopsided in favor of the plaintiff. Lawyers will still take good cases. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:26:24 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's just the product of the ever increasing desire from the majority of Americans to relieve themselves of any personal responsibility for their lives and the emotional ease of laying blame at the feet of anyone possible other than the "victim." That will inevitably be taken by safety cultists as "arguing against safety" the same way gun controllers want to make any argument against gun control policy as "well I guess you're ok with dead children" furthering the slide into ever more ludicrous generalities rather than thinking critically about the specific policy in question and whether it will have the intended effect or if the effect is worth the cost. Well stated. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:27:51 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Every policy or procedure should be reviewed periodically to eliminate waste of going through motions that are no longer necessary. Safety, quality, production, doesn't matter. Unlike congress, business is incentivised to strike "laws" from the books that no longer serve their intended purpose. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If that means we do more safety theater than work I'm totally fine with that. Better question is why do you moan and bitch about it? YOU ARE GETTING PAID TO DO IT. Desperately short sighted. If you are unproductive due to this safety theater then your employer will look for ways to increase efficiency. Like moving of as much of the work elsewhere as possible. You customers will look for better value options. It has negative consequences to you directly and to the economy more generally. Not always the case. Can tell you don’t know much about real life business. Good working practices are a good thing. Read what I responded to - "spending more time on safety theater than work is fine and you shut up and do it because they're paying you". Safety theater is the enemy of actual safety, of good working practise, of productive and of creative thought. Every policy or procedure should be reviewed periodically to eliminate waste of going through motions that are no longer necessary. Safety, quality, production, doesn't matter. Unlike congress, business is incentivised to strike "laws" from the books that no longer serve their intended purpose. Absolutely. If you like having a job then you should contribute to the reduction of waste and inefficiency, not keep quiet because they're paying you |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:28:15 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s what tort reform was supposed to address. Loser pays for loss in frivolous suits. Some state just took some significant steps in that direction. Might have been Florida. A lot of good is coming from that state right now. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:38:55 PM EDT
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Safety is important and has done some good things. Things like trench shoring rules have saved a lot of lives no doubt. Problem is these people need to justify their existence so they just keep coming up with more shit. Sometimes it gets to the point that it's either impossible to do the job or actually more dangerous to do it their way. Arguing with some faggot in a white hard hat who has never worked a day in his life about something he doesn't understand gets old.
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