We lived out there because back then that's where the poor trailer trash lived. Houses in town were where the rich people lived who could afford a house that wasn't on wheels and could afford to pay for town services and taxes.

It wasn't until our resident 87% badass brigade tamed the wilderness that it became fashionable to live in the sprawling, rural palaces that our betters who endlessly need to put us poors in our place constantly post about on here.

Back before government intervention with student loans.

Why did college get so expensive?  fucking .gov loans caused the problem.  No one forced them to take out loans, why can they force the rest of us to pay for it?

@KILLERB6, don’t worry about me. I have succeeded despite the much harsher economic reality that I grew up in compared to the boomers. Even adjusted for inflation, I make much more money than any of them do/did and my mortgage is locked in at a nice 2.7%.

Most of that success comes from my ability to do math

those goddamn time traveling zoomers who went back and got laws passed to get the government into the student loan business are to blame!

You're welcome, sir. Self-awareness is the first step on the path to improvement. You got this.

I love the boomer-millennial fights on ARFCOM. It's like being at the zoo and watching the monkeys sling shit at each other. I am easily entertained. Only silent gen and gen x in my immediate family.

That electronic device you were talking about earlier, that boomers supposedly can't navigate? It has a whole lot of machine code in it. Anything that has a processor in it, has machine code in it. It wouldn't function without it.

There's more machine code in the world now than there has been at any time in human history.

Millennials as a whole are a whiny trash generation.

Ever notice how NOTHING fucking works anymore?  Who runs middle management now? Millennials.

Worthless.

The only ones more worthless...their shitty parents.

Waaaaah!

Then don't go to college.

If I was young I would not go for a number of reasons.

Yeah it's almost as good as the shit throwing that commences when anyone dares not to be hanging off Trump's nuts and failing to proclaim him as the greatest president in all of history despite his role in causing the problems people bitch about on here and get shit on by the boomers for.

Well that and democrats want to tax the hell out of us. Then give the money away to other countries and everything under the sun but what's actually Important to the success of the country. AND the democrats general fd up view of the world.

bruh

Ask a boomer for feet pics and you'll get some heavy filtered backlit shots where each toe has cat ears.  Ask a boomer and you'll get some fwd:fwd:fwd email about Angela Merkel stealing Social Security.

I didn't. It was fucked 25 years ago when I was college aged.

Back then it was Gen X who was raising the concern about costs getting out of hand. I don't seem to remember billy badass boomer bootstrappers calling them lazy pieces of shit at the time though.

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Ross Perot was the greatest president we never had.

Its a very narrow field of study, but probably available at any large university in the NE US, and def any school on the left coast...

It is evident you know nothing about “boomers” or politics.  We lived through the Carter years with high inflation and long gas lines. Unemployment was high so a lot of workers could stay home because they did not have a job. Thank goodness Biden has been installed as president so you enjoy some of that wonderful democratic economy. Maybe we will be lucky and he will be a one term president.

I'm early Gen X with Silent Generation parents who raised me and my younger brother.  Bought their first home in '68.  Bought property and built their second (my Dad still lives there) with a lot of sweat equity.  We moved in in 1973 before it was completed.  They were both state employees and not making big salaries by any stretch.  They scrimped, saved, and made do.

Two things are important in this discussion.  First, a starter home in the 50s-60s was nothing like what people expect today.  Our first house was 1264 sq ft with a single car garage.  Three small bedrooms, two small bathrooms, a small kitchen, a small living room.  Electric heat and one window mounted AC in the dining nook.  Single pane windows.
No laundry room, just a basic washer in the garage.  We dried our clothes on the clothesline in the back yard.  One phone plug and one black and white TV.  Basic laminate kitchen counters and simple tile in bathrooms.  My dad mowed his lawn, pruned his shrubbery, and did basic maintenance himself (with assists from FIL).  Not luxury.  That home cost $14,500 in 1968 and sold for $147k in 2021 with minimal upgrades.  Still affordable.

Here's reality:


Second, college cost increases are dominated by administrative growth plus luxury accommodations.  When I attended a state university our dorms were spartan.  Most were built in the 50s and 60s.  My room which was for two had a sink/faucet, simple closets, two small desks with shelves, two aluminum chairs, and two beds with steel frames and thin twin mattresses.  Many of us built custom wooden frames to elevate our beds to make room by putting desks underneath.  We had steam radiators for heat and no AC (in SC).  Bathrooms were shared between about 50 guys with 5-6 urinals, 5-6 crappers, and one common shower room with 6 shower heads and 5 soap dishes.

Reality:



No current generation college kid could handle what we had for room, board, and support personnel.  The focus was on teaching.  If you couldn't cut it, you were out.  No coddling.

Many of us Boomers worked our way through college. Our student loan was a summer job and working after school. I paid for my books and tuition at a Catholic University by working. I went to a local school and lived with my parents so room and board was free. That was normal for my generation.

You don’t know a lot of boomers. Who do you think invented the computer systems?

You think you need an advanced degree and 5 years experience in quantum physics to get a job flipping burgers???

The local McDonalds' here on Long Island are all short staffed, most are starting at $18/hr with increases to $20 after 2 months... Minimum wage just went up to $16 in the city and on the island. They are hiring anyone who applies because its just barely more than welfare or unemployment pays them to stay home... Anyone who stays for more than 6 months and can speak english seems to become an assistant manager and a year or two becomes a manager.

One of my best buddies came up here from Mexico, legally, with his parents when he was probably 7-8. He grew up in a poor fishing village and recalls multiple instances in which his entire home flooded with feet of water.

His parents bought a house in a poor farming community in semi-rural CA. The house is literally 600 square feet, and his room was “built” by putting up a plywood false wall.

He went to community college, transferred to a CSU, and got a degree in engineering. He bought his home (I should say, had it built) a few years ago and has made a ridiculous sum on it by now, and has a 2.5% mortgage, saves like a madman, and works his ass off. He makes like $110k plus bonuses. He’s under 30.

He has told me before that he believes the American dream isn’t dead, because he has lived it.

Cope.

true dat

true dat

true dat shit

well that and i've been wanting to learn how to knit for a while so i can make myself a Jayne Cobb hat.

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what's the going rate to machine some brass knuckles out of 5/8" stainless steel plate?

asking for a friend.

stainless steel is inexpensive, readily available, heavy, durable, and easy to disinfect using common household cleaners.

allegedly in minecraft of course.

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I would like to know where you are sourcing 5/8” stainless plate for an “inexpensive” price lol

I agree. I think as more millennials get on line, it just gets worse. Heck, look at this thread, the OP and first response are perfect examples of your last thought.

The thing that killed liberal arts degrees were boomers flocking to college and pushing their kids to go to college.
1940s era college requirements could not stand in the face the democratization of higher education demanding degrees for people of slightly / barely above average, average, and below average students.  However, useless people want careers.  And campuses have exploded with careers for useless people.  And people with non wealth generating aspirations to be wealthy…. Well, education became a highly profitable part of the service economy.

In 1940, if you were heading of to state U, - for a classic liberal arts education- (not ag, teaching, religious, etc.)-
You were going to be burning the midnight on tough courses, high expectations, and demanding requirements.

If you getting a B.S. in Physics, a B.A. in English, History, Econ, Classic, or Biology, or a B.S. in Biology, Chemistry, Anthropology-  and in some engineering, business, etc. programs.
Your first two years would have been very similar.

It would likely have been-
Calc 1
Bio 101 with lab
Gen Chem 101 with lab
English/lit 101
History/religion/philosophy, etc. 101

Then
Calc 2
Bio 102 with lab
Gen Chem 102 with lab
Another humanities or social science
A major specific course

That freshman year is nothing like most degrees are now.
The sophmore year would likely be-
Physics with Calc 101
Classics
A couple of pan major / specific major courses

Then
Physics with Calc 102
Then some pan major/major specific courses.

In your last two years you would focus on your major, meet some phys Ed/civic requirements,
Plus two years of a language.  A language you would be able to speak conversationally AND read foreign publications about your major in.  Plus have a couple of grad courses in their Major done- because you shouldn’t have an undergrad degree  in something without demonstrating you can do some graduate work in it.

There was no completing college with no math beyond HS freshman algebra or some joke science for fuktards course meeting a science requirement.

A Geology major could likely have an intelligent conversation about Greek vs Etruscan vs Roman art.
A guy with a B.S. in physics might be very versed in history, art of the renaissance, or western lit.

The psychology or anthropology major or English major had the basic foundation of bio, chem, math, and physics under their belt.

When your hired a guy with a B.A. in Econ, a B.S. in Math, a B.A. in History, or a B.S. in Bio-
You knew they were bright, could work hard, meet unrealistic deadlines, think, etc.

I worked on a lawn crew when I was 12, saved money and bought and fixed a broken mower. I mowed lawns and scooped snow. I got a paper-route when I was 14 then got a restaurant job at 16. They only let me work 30-32 hours a week, I guess anymore and they had to give benefits.

I have a few more years to go to retirement but its amazing at the number of young know it all people ( including engineers, management and operators ) that think they know more than everyone in the room but cant make automation work let alone get them going again after they crash it. Good luck explaining what a laser tracker does or using it to dial in tooling.

That part has always been true in fast food. My wife went from fry-queen to store manager in about 14 months ... in 1974.

Oh fuck, here we go again...

Quit your whining and bitching!
Find another forum to pollute with your "poor me" bullshit.

FUCK OFF!!

And I'm not even a baby boomer. Just someone sick of your crybaby shit...

It was the government guaranteeing the loans that drove up the costs.
I'm surprised the universities didn't jack up the prices sooner.

Outside of minecraft, $300 a square foot isn't inexpensive to most people.

Yep. Just like the ACA fixed healthcare

Your parents first house is larger than my current house. I bet it didn't have wheels like my current house does either.


Congrats, your attempt to humble us all actually comes off as bragging.

Well now they can tell the HR department that chicks have dicks, males have vaginas, there are 134 different sexes, they are disabled because they weigh 400 lbs and eat 6 pizzas a day and 3 2 liter soda's, and mommy will call the company if they aren't hired.

Luxury accommodations became a requirement for accreditation.  When I first learned of this about 10 years ago I was shocked.  First hint of it i saw personally of the luxury push was my last year in the early 90s when the admin decided the school needed a new performing arts center and fancy gym.  We already had facilities that were adequate and the kicker was that we would get to use it but future students would get to pay for it.  That alone was reason enough to vote against it.  Of course the vote was probably 90/10 in favor.

College mafia saw the money enabled by the easy loans and they went after it.  I figure probably 50-60% of college students have no business going to a 4 year school.  Some of them are bright enough, but 2 years of training would suffice to land them a good paying in their field of interest.

Truth is, any outsized generation/faction is going to vote itself resources at the expense of other groups.  Add in global economic dominance after WW2 and you have the salad days for those that got to live through it.  Its a good argument for limiting your population growth just like you try and control inflation IMO.

ain't no shame in being poor.

Give a millennial or  Zer a screwdriver stand back and watch the show. Don't even give them a couple pipe wrenches, or a multimeter..... I teach hvac and these two generation don't learn mechanical very well.

Well that and Republicans are anti pedophilia

were you born in the 60s?

Yup. That two to three bucks an hour we made blows your $20.00/hr plus to pieces.

We will make the best of it...always had.

a pretty good number of soldiers during the GWOT were millenials