The only part of this I agree with is the paint job on the car.  That cop showed multiple times on camera that he can't control his emotions, for fucks sake a teenage girl has better control of her emotions than him.....as a dad of 2 daughters, I've seen the emotional rollercoaster of teenage girls.  Based solely on the fact that he obviously can't control his emotions, everything he says or does should be in question.

Words fail me to describe just how much I appreciate your post and point of view.  The clear, concise, and timely wisdom you inject in these topics just makes my day.  Thank you.

No homo

Maybe the dad is a geologist.

Just imagine if someone were to search " What percentage of police are domestic abusers? "

It would be nice if one of that cop's coworkers tuned him up to the point he could barely walk. It is a nice thought of something that will never happen.

I never said that anywhere. You're living in a fantasy you've created in your own head. I do think the officer's reaction was unreasonable. I also think the girl did a number of things she shouldn't have. Regardless, you seem incapable of understanding that a literal blue line on a paint scheme does not translate to a figurative blue line in the behavior of all police officers. It certainly doesn't mean that this cop's guilt can be manifested by the figurative thin blue line upheld by a family court judge in a completely different area of the nation. Those things have nothing to do with one another. You're beginning to sound like one of those gold fringe flag loons. Your blanket statement that excessively violent people in one instant are excessively violent in all instances is just ignorant. It's actually too retarded to waste my time shooting down.
It's clear you're emotionally invested on this one but you lack the ability to make a convincing argument for your case. It might help if you were more familiar with the concept of informal logical fallacies. Because you keep making them.

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I got pulled over in my service van in Henderson, KY on green street for speeding. I was but I was I in the middle of traffic going the same speed as everyone. Anyway I pull over as soon as the lights came on and then the officer started screaming something on the car loud speaker. I couldn't understand his screaming out of the distortion of the speaker. Finally I understood he wanted me off the road and made me drive into someone's yard to get off the road. This is just a normal traffic stop and he comes to my window and says I got you for speeding and seat belt. I politely told him I was wearing my seat belt "I was" and he immediately and aggressively told me he was taking me to jail if I argued anymore.
So I just said yes sir and kept quiet. It's the middle of the day I'm working in uniform in a hvac service van. He comes back and asks me why I pulled over on the street instead of pulling into where I was now. I told him I thought you were supposed immediately pull over when a patrol car put its lights on behind you. He then ask me what it says in the driver's manual. I told him I do not remember as the last time I read it was in high school. Then he asked why I don't have one on me. I was at that point wondering what person actually has a driver's manual in their car. I just said I Don't know I have to get one.
He asked for my information and I told him I took the seat belt off so I could reach into the glove box on the passenger side " I couldn't reach it whith the seat belt on".
He then asked why he was aggressive with me at first and I said I do not I t know. He then said he seen me lift the bill of my hat in the mirror and in training they were told that may be a sign of an aggressive behavior. I said that I didn't know I did that but I do move my hat up to alow air to cool my head as it summer and I'm in the heat all day and my van has no ac.
Then he ask me if I had anything to drink. Lol I do not drink at work. I told him no. He ask if I ever drink. I said sometimes on the weekends with friends. He then asked how much and I said not really alot just enjoy friends and some adult beverages. I said when I was in the service we drank a little more. I noticed his high n tight buzz cut and figured I could calm him down if I changed the subject just a little. He immediately started telling me he used to be a Marine and talked about military stuff. He went to his car and came back and told me he knocked a couple mph off the ticket and removed the seat belt violation. Then repeated how I'm supposed to pull over in the future and to not go for my information until they come to the vehicle and ask.
Fast forward to when I when to pay the ticket the lady at the counter made me pay the seat belt violation also. That part pissed me off as I was wearing my belt and have never driven whith out one.

I’m not here to speak for John but wanted to point out a few things:  This officer is on his 3rd department in a year.  He was suspended and sent to de escalation re training and the reason is on high comedic value video.  His “reasons” for going hands on were because she would not roll her window down to communicate and wouldn’t get out of the car.  Video shows the first contact to window down to open car door in 16 seconds.  Video shows first contact to face down on the concrete in 90 seconds.  

These are all quantifiable/documented factors one can use to form an educated opinion.  Extra points for an opinion enhanced by experience.  You have brought nothing to the table except your feelings.

Do you want the Arkansas State Police to pit you, or are you pulling over in 0.75 seconds?

Kharn

Yes! Yes! Of course!

We all have abundant life experience of people who are excessively violent because of deep seeded character flaws being highly disciplined in where and when they are excessively violent!! Especially when presented with a particular specimen who has been jettisoned from multiple other departments for as yet to be determined reasons that I'm sure had absolutely nothing to do with a pattern of behavior that could be strongly hinted at in this very video!

You'd be funny if you weren't serious.

Since you are, it's just fuckin' disturbing.

Not to get too far off topic but, what you are describing is known as the Pareto Principle .
What Lou_Daks is talking about is a type of normal distribution .

Then how the fuck is a dude supposed to get some action around here?

Has the cop been doxed yet? I think I know him.

Dt

I don't care if you're the damn POTUS!  You go hands on with my daughter in my presence I guarantee both of us will regret it.

Window was down and the license was in her hand. That highly trained, professional law enforcement with such a keen sense of investigative skills, would give any credence to this officers claims really speaks for itself.

The 2nd officer knew but wasted no time joining the barrel himself.

I'd bank on more stories coming out from other victims.

His bankruptcy filing from 7 years ago is on here. I don’t think there’s any question who this guy is.

I wonder how often he beats his wife?

The incidents are not the problem. It's the open and blatant cover ups along with lies that upset everyone so badly.

If these things were handled correctly and fairly people wouldn't get upset.

South Whitley is going to be getting a lot of unwanted attention.

Caravans of 1st amendment auditors are making their way to central Indiana to "Gather content for a story". The town's attorney is about to realize he has a shit sandwich in his happy meal.  Town council may rethink their situation too.

Seems like there is A LOT more going on with this story, small town politics being what they are.

They had called for a wrecker to tow the car but cancelled that I guess when the dad said he would drive it home.

So the girl gets pulled over for a headlight out and gets dragged out , cuffed and stuffed.

But the dad gets to drive the car with a headlight still out? But that's OK I suppose.

Also was it a headlight that was even out or was it a DRL? And its daytime.

I have told my girls to keep door locked and only roll down the window enough to talk through and pass their DL / insurance to the cop. No need to have a fully open window.

That cop shouldn't be one.

You seem to be operating under the idea that I'm defending this cop. I'm not. I'm sure he shouldn't be a cop. What I'm suggesting, and suggested from the beginning, is that I don't trust this lawyer. I don't trust him because I recognized by the 4:40 mark his insistence upon invoking fallacious arguments. I do not trust his presentation of the case so I quit listening to him. He's intentionally making comments designed to appeal to people's emotions. This tactic seems to have been very effective against you. If you present this exact same case to me by "Nate the Lawyer" or "Lehto's Law" then I'll be all ears because those guys don't rely on douchey false arguments to make their case. They present the facts and the law as it applies to the case. That's it. Otherwise...

Look at all these "Us vs Them" cops driving around! Holy fuck, they all have blue lines! Quick! Someone check on their wives!!

Well someone got triggered.

I took it to mean that it is the emblem/symbolism of a culture. The 2nd office sure fit the mold perfectly.

Gangs have colors.

The motherfucker in the video wants the job alright.

He finally gets to boss people around and pretend that he is relevant.

This is the answer right here.

They are thugs.  Every department has them and they do not get rid of them unless there is public outrage about thuggery like happened to this girl.  There are too many thugs that get the uniform so they can be thugs and get away with it.  They are evil.

I agree that's exactly what the lawyer in the vid meant. I just think it's a bullshit assertion that falls exactly in line with the thinking that every judge that has a gold fringed flag in his court has suspended the constitution. I think it's far more likely that these police departments and judges decorate their cars and courtrooms with such adornments because they think it looks good. Blue has long been a symbol of the police just as red has been a symbol for fire fighters. It shouldn't be surprising or taken with suspicion when a police car has a blue stripe. To assert that the blue stripe on a car is symbolic of department enforced division between them and the general public is tinfoil hat type looniness. I don't buy it, and apparently my skeptical attitude is offensive to some.

I'm not going to defend him all the way, but I have told my daughter that arguing with police on the side of the road is not wise.  He's in tac gear and in a fully marked vehicle at a gas station.  Once he opened up her door and had asked her to step out she should have stopped digging and stepped out.  Not demanded to be told 'why' and refuse to step out until told.  That's a stupid move on her part and digging around while refusing to comply is certainly going to send up all the red flags that there are.  So I don't think she's 100% clean on this and I'm not sure that I agree that he's 100% unreasonable in dealing with someone that has refused to comply.

With all that said, perhaps a modicum of common sense on the cop's part would help.  You start screaming at teen girls who are not otherwise a threat and you can often turn them into bumbling idiots.  Shit, teen males for that matter if they aren't in the 'fuck the pigs' camp might just get stupid and scared.  Why do you need to start every encounter like you are trying to channel Gunny Hartman?  No, you don't have to explain, but perhaps taking a moment to tell her why she's been pulled over and why you want her to step out might bring things down a notch.  Then if she won't comply escalate.  I know that people play the 'why' game on cops a lot so I don't blame them for not wanting to even engage, but you can still go a long way towards keeping normal people normal by just having some grace.


ETA: I question even more when he claims the window was only 'cracked' when after he opens the door it's pretty clearly fully down.  Once you start embellishing I question everything else.

I kind of agree.  While there are elements of things she did wrong there, he's basically using the barest excuse to go ape-shit on a teen girl that doesn't appear to be going gangsta in the first place.  I think he helped create the situation that ends up pushing his buttons.  He needs to seek other employment.

She sure seemed disrespectful when she asked him to PLEASE get her ID, phone and keys, didn't she?

"Who's grasping at straws" again?

Wow, officer is one big tough guy that had to get it on.  

Great idea... they would weed out the bad apples real quick if that was implemented.

He's over-hyping it in that video and of course 100% accepting the girl's explanation.  Even if she was digging, when he tells you to get out of the vehicle, it's time to stop digging and get out.  People get shot for that shit, and obviously I'm glad she didn't because this guy is far far too uptight to be doing that work.

Amazing how that crafty little gangsta knew the precise moment when that body camera came on and to switch to “reasonable polite young lady mode”.  I totally believe that she was giving him lip about rolling down her window and not willing to show her ID for an entire 90 seconds that body cam was off.  She was making a move and he had to get it on.

Because by openning the door he already violated the Constitution.

I don’t know.  I think he was generally trying to convey- as best he could on camera- with no authority over the guy-

“Look dude.  In the 87 seconds since you hit your lights for a big 7 miles over the speed limit stop, you have dragged, proned and cuffed a normal girl from a decent family who’s window is open and driver’s license lying on the ground for failure to identify and resisting.  She’s scared and didn’t make a scene or resist, and you’re a known hot head.  With your camera off.  Maybe you could take a second and rethink things.”

If backup cop had been-

“You need to unfuck this now you dumbass, fuktarded bully lying piece of shit- I already radioed your chief.”

I don’t see things getting better and probably a lot worse.

Peace time soldiers always at war.

The lawyer sounds like a real slime ball. His assertion that if you don’t agree with his point of view representing his client, you are the problem tells you a lot about the guy.

There a lot of unsupported assumptions the lawyer made in his assertions of the facts at hand.

Now that I said that, I too don’t know exactly what happened with the evidence that was brought forward in the video so we are in a he said, she said situation.

Personally, I would have not pulled her out of the car at the point he did and would have given a her a little more time to produce her documents. Please note that I am not a law enforcement officer and I have never have been one. I do however have a lot of experience dealing with teen age shit heads.

Wife might put up too much fight. Probably beats his daughter or step daughter.

Just another coincidence a body cam was not running.....

QFT

It's bullshit to assert that cops, like most humans, are tribal and very frequently protect their own?  Since you slammed a bunch of photos up and thought that you made a point, how many videos should I post of this happening before you'll believe it true?

Legally permitted vs warranted.

Just because he could, it didn't mean he should or that he even needed to.

They used to teach deescalation as a part of policing. This guy appears to have gone straight to 11 without pausing at 2.

He definitely missed the verbal judo class, deescalation class, and problem solving scenarios.

You seem… familiar.

It is all about the clicks and attention. One reason why I asked for the videos. If he was actually trying to inform, he would have put that front and center.

Someone else posted the website for the dad which has all the links for the videos. Much more in those and it is easy to pair it.

It's interesting that you said "had asked her to step out".  Even the officer when he was telling his side of the story to his buddy, which one would imagine is the most favorable version he could muster, he said that he asked for her to step out.

An request isn't an order.  As, per his explination, he didn't order her out then he used force on a teenager because she didn't voluntary choose to follow through with his desire.

PS:  Even the officer stated that the window was down "a crack" then he "asked her to roll it down the rest of the way".  Do you not believe the officer?

The lawyer that is all about the clicks in your mind also directed people to the dad's website.