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Posted: 4/19/2024 3:12:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FJB247]
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ETCss_McCrackin: The left controls virtually every media outlet of any real influence. If the Republicans allow/force a shutdown, it becomes a battle of public opinion during a vital election year. A battle against the Senate, the WH and ALL media. A battle where the other side only has to point to "they're unwilling to compromise". And a battle where historically, the public always blames the party that "allowed" the shutdown to happen. We only lose that fight. We lose it, again, during a VITAL election year. Okay then, let's just keep our borders open, our debt untenable, foreign countries enriched, our morals devastated our politicians wealthy, and our rights and sovereignty as things than can be bargained/compromised/traded away. Seems like a real winning strategy for the country. And so you know, Reagan had multiple shutdowns during his term to force bills through. Our Founding Fathers had it right; small/limited federal government, avoid foreign entanglements, and make no permanent allies/enemies. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 3:19:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FJB247: Okay then, let's just keep our borders open, our debt untenable, foreign countries enriched, our morals devastated our politicians wealthy, and our rights and sovereignty as things than can be bargained/compromised/traded away. Seems like a real winning strategy for the country. And so you know, Reagan had multiple shutdowns during his term to force bills through. Our Founding Fathers had it right; small/limited federal government, avoid foreign entanglements, and make no permanent allies/enemies. Be that as it may they aren't here, we are. It isn't then, it's now. This road always leads to the same place. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 3:25:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: When you have “Top Men” from the IC meet with you after hours and give you the reality of your situation. You can acquiesce or pay the price. This Government makes no effort to hide the lengths it will go to in order to preserve the status quo. How many kids does the Speaker have? Where do they live? Was he shown pictures of them sleeping soundly in their beds? This is a deadly business. The Government is an evil entity. How would any of us stand up to that kind of threat?  Speaker Mike Johnson? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 3:36:30 PM EDT
[#4]
IJDGAS at this point. Our entire uniparty system is a joke.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 3:54:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mooreshawnm: Resistance to 15 million illegals is ultra right? I'm sorry, you are out of touch. ROFL With as many opportunities as they have had, they have done very little. If by some miracle we did get the wall built It will have very little to do with the Ultra-Right. Trump is neither Conservative or Ultra-Right. He is a Populist. Trump will drag his feet like he did last time. If it happens at all, it will be because so many Americans got pissed off Trump got it through. As long as Democrats control the Senate and WH, it will never happen. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 3:54:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ETCss_McCrackin: The left controls virtually every media outlet of any real influence. If the Republicans allow/force a shutdown, it becomes a battle of public opinion during a vital election year. A battle against the Senate, the WH and ALL media. A battle where the other side only has to point to "they're unwilling to compromise". And a battle where historically, the public always blames the party that "allowed" the shutdown to happen. We only lose that fight. We lose it, again, during a VITAL election year. We didn't have to shut down the government. 80% of the public doesn't give a shit about Ukraine. We could have bundled the Ukraine funding with HR2 and told Biden and the Dems to shove it up their asses. Pretty simple politics. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:29:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DragoMuseveni: So "we" win by giving The Swamp everything it wants, no questions asked, no resistance. Just drop your pants, bend over, and take it.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DragoMuseveni: So "we" win by giving The Swamp everything it wants, no questions asked, no resistance. Just drop your pants, bend over, and take it. Originally Posted By FJB247: Okay then, let's just keep our borders open, our debt untenable, foreign countries enriched, our morals devastated our politicians wealthy, and our rights and sovereignty as things than can be bargained/compromised/traded away. Seems like a real winning strategy for the country. And so you know, Reagan had multiple shutdowns during his term to force bills through. Our Founding Fathers had it right; small/limited federal government, avoid foreign entanglements, and make no permanent allies/enemies. This isn't all or nothing. "Giving them what they want" would have been passing the Dems version of "Border security". We do not control either the Senate OR the WH. What we really want WILL NOT GET PASSED. PERIOD. This is times a thousand in an election year, where Biden is struggling with failure at literally every step. They WILL NOT GIVE THE RIGHT A WIN. The Republicans are forced to do things peace-meal at this point, with the ultimate goal of regaining power. If they could pass laws, and had actual power in the Gov right now, then YES, NOW would be the time to push. Fighting smart isn't the same thing as "giving in to the left", and in fact, fighting stupid actually plays right into their hands. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 5:37:03 PM EDT
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There are not two political parties in the US. There is only one. The Party of Big Government.
The Democrats are the bat shit crazy branch. The Republicans are a little more moderate but in reality not much difference. Democrats promise big government and always deliver bad government. The Republicans promise good government but most of the time join the Democrats to give us destruction. Our country is too broke to be fixed by just electing Republicans. They are weak, cowardly and just as corrupt as the Democrats. The Republicans talk a good game but usually deliver the same destruction as we would have got with the Democrats. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 6:30:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tallahasseezz: I bet the Democrats will save him. He've giving them everything they want. They’re not wanting aid for Israel or really even the submarine military plus up or Pacific Defense but that all being said I can’t say you’re wrong about potentially saving him |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:28:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:37:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:38:39 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
James is a national treasure. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:52:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: nu3gawhat]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
Nice burn. Johnson is totally delusional on Saint Floyd and race issues. Sounds like he has the woke mind virus. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:54:06 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FJB247: James is a national treasure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FJB247: Originally Posted By RSG:
James is a national treasure. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:59:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Reaper: I was STRONGLY opposed to giving Ukraine a dollar. I am convinced part of that is laundered and given back to US politicians and the "big guy". However, listening to my local conservative talk radio host, my stance is weakening. He says Putin's relationship with China is too strong. The best thing we can do is weaken Russia. And the best way to weaken Russia is to let Ukraine deplete Russia's military and financial assets. So in his opinion, giving Ukraine the means to fight is our way of fighting Russia without getting into the fight ourselves. I'm too ignorant (uninformed, not necessarily stupid) to really know The way is to cut China off (massive tariffs and samctions) and flood the world with cheap American oil. That ends the war in Ukraine quick as Russia runs out of funding and a place to seek its raw materials and energy as China collapses. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:00:58 PM EDT
[#16]
This is so simple, you don't get your ukraine aid UNTIL you secure the fucking border.
Johnson is a being played like a fool, giving them everything they want without getting shit in return. What a moron. Screw it, MAGA should leave the GOP. They can go it on their own and reap what the sow. If they don't want our help then they can get spanked by the Democrats in EVERY election from now on, I'm done with those dipshits. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:04:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DragoMuseveni: He should be Speaker. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Originally Posted By FJB247: Originally Posted By RSG:
James is a national treasure. Agreed |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:09:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BroomSlayer: Screw it, MAGA should leave the GOP. They can go it on their own and reap what the sow. If they don't want our help then they can get spanked by the Democrats in EVERY election from now on, I'm done with those dipshits. i can't wait for Trump to get re-elected and double-down on Ukraine aid the mental and verbal gymnastics of the MAGA crowd will be epic  |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:12:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DragoMuseveni: He should be Speaker. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Originally Posted By FJB247: Originally Posted By RSG:
James is a national treasure. exactly which American white male lives are at risk providing equipment aid to Ukraine ? must have missed that part of the aid package the point is to give them assistance so WE don't have to get involved with OUR troops |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:15:28 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: i can't wait for Trump to get re-elected and double-down on Ukraine aid the mental and verbal gymnastics of the MAGA crowd will be epic Right... A lot of assumptions there. Will the precious ukraine even be around by then? Will Trump even get reelected? Personally, I'm not voting for any dipshit that supports this nonsense, to include Trump. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:15:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ETCss_McCrackin: This isn't all or nothing. "Giving them what they want" would have been passing the Dems version of "Border security". We do not control either the Senate OR the WH. What we really want WILL NOT GET PASSED. PERIOD. This is times a thousand in an election year, where Biden is struggling with failure at literally every step. They WILL NOT GIVE THE RIGHT A WIN. The Republicans are forced to do things peace-meal at this point, with the ultimate goal of regaining power. If they could pass laws, and had actual power in the Gov right now, then YES, NOW would be the time to push. Fighting smart isn't the same thing as "giving in to the left", and in fact, fighting stupid actually plays right into their hands. What is simply amazing is the number of low post count accounts coming out in support of continual capitulation. Not suspicious at all. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:16:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Morlawn66]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tallahasseezz: We didn't have to shut down the government. 80% of the public doesn't give a shit about Ukraine. We could have bundled the Ukraine funding with HR2 and told Biden and the Dems to shove it up their asses. Pretty simple politics. This , Johnson said early on no aid package without border security , he reneged . Ukraine got $300 million for their border , figures . Can't believe the R's who voted for this bill , very bad vibes about this whole thing . |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:17:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BroomSlayer: This is so simple, you don't get your ukraine aid UNTIL you secure the fucking border. Johnson is a being played like a fool, giving them everything they want without getting shit in return. What a moron. Screw it, MAGA should leave the GOP. They can go it on their own and reap what the sow. If they don't want our help then they can get spanked by the Democrats in EVERY election from now on, I'm done with those dipshits. Oh he is getting something. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 9:20:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: exactly which American white male lives are at risk providing equipment aid to Ukraine ? must have missed that part of the aid package the point is to give them assistance so WE don't have to get involved with OUR troops It's not gonna matter dude, the aid isn't going to change the outcome. Focusing on the fate of other countries over the well-being of our own will be our downfall. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:16:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BroomSlayer: It's not gonna matter dude, the aid isn't going to change the outcome. Focusing on the fate of other countries over the well-being of our own will be our downfall. Yep the aid isn't going to matter. They don't have enough manpower left and most of what is left is trying to flee the draft. This is just hush money to the Z-man. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:26:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fxntime: A trained mouse could do better. NO. Why is that 2 letter word so damn hard to say for damned republicans? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By clearedoverhead: Who would you like to see become speaker? A trained mouse could do better. NO. Why is that 2 letter word so damn hard to say for damned republicans? Imagine being a grownup and still not figuring out that they’re on the same team and it ain’t the one we’re on. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:28:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tallahasseezz: Yep the aid isn't going to matter. They don't have enough manpower left and most of what is left is trying to flee the draft. This is just hush money to the Z-man. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tallahasseezz: Originally Posted By BroomSlayer: It's not gonna matter dude, the aid isn't going to change the outcome. Focusing on the fate of other countries over the well-being of our own will be our downfall. Yep the aid isn't going to matter. They don't have enough manpower left and most of what is left is trying to flee the draft. This is just hush money to the Z-man. It sounds like the unserious idiots haven't even tapped into the prime miliary age portion of their population. I don't think manpower is an issue. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 10:32:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mooreshawnm: It sounds like the unserious idiots haven't even tapped into the prime miliary age portion of their population. I don't think manpower is an issue. I mean, they've basically exhausted their supply of the 27-45 year olds. Why NOT bring in the 18-26 year olds to finish the job, right? |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:00:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BroomSlayer: I mean, they've basically exhausted their supply of the 27-45 year olds. Why NOT bring in the 18-26 year olds to finish the job, right? Ukebros and Mike Johnson are willing to fight until the last Ukrainian male is dead. Such bravery. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:17:30 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skywarner: Do you have a newsletter? I'd like to subscribe. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skywarner: Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot: Originally Posted By clearedoverhead: Who would you like to see become speaker? Louis Rossman Do you have a newsletter? I'd like to subscribe. Likewise, anyone who wants the job, is almost certainly someone who we would never want to have it. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:19:33 PM EDT
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He's really a DemoCrap just like Kevin McCarthy was. A genuine House Speaker who isn't a covert DemoCrap would never get voted in as there are way more than enough RINO house members to prevent it.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:25:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clearedoverhead: Who would you like to see become speaker? |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:27:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: When you have "Top Men" from the IC meet with you after hours and give you the reality of your situation. You can acquiesce or pay the price. This Government makes no effort to hide the lengths it will go to in order to preserve the status quo. How many kids does the Speaker have? Where do they live? Was he shown pictures of them sleeping soundly in their beds? This is a deadly business. The Government is an evil entity. How would any of us stand up to that kind of threat? Would not surprise me one bit. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:28:26 PM EDT
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Maybe... maybe... just hear me out...
Having assholes vote to outs McCarthy wasn't the smartest play. Good luck holding the House morons. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:31:08 PM EDT
[#35]
Knew something was up when he was almost instantly approved.
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:33:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ThreadKiller]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kudzu630: Maybe... maybe... just hear me out... Having assholes vote to outs McCarthy wasn't the smartest play. Good luck holding the House morons. What's the point of having the house if they are just going to go back on their promises? He literally had ONE job, he promised he was going to make sure foreign aid would be contingent on border security. He lied. Fuck the house. Fuck the GOP. This is their fault. They keep fucking us and expect zero consequences. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:33:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clearedoverhead: Who would you like to see become speaker? Nobody. We were better off with no speaker at all. It's clear now that no one of any value could attain the position. So leave it empty. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:41:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Jim Jordan had a far better chance than her and he didn’t get selected https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jim-jordan-make-third-try-top-job-paralyzed-us-house-2023-10-20/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3254_jpeg-3191917.JPG Jim Jordan adamantly avoided trying to get the role. He probably already knows what they have on him. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:44:03 PM EDT
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Suoer thin Majority in the house, and a minority in the Senate, and poop pants in the white hous3
What the fuck do you think? These fucking vacate idiots will fuck us. Shitheads, get a grip. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:44:49 PM EDT
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If Johnson remains after this, it is only because the Democrats want him to.
Think about that... He is a traitor to the party. He has decided to be a uniparty POS. Screw em. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:47:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By entropy: Suoer thin Majority in the house, and a minority in the Senate, and poop pants in the white hous3 What the fuck do you think? These fucking vacate idiots will fuck us. Shitheads, get a grip. Johnson fucked us. Simple as that. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:55:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Robertpistol]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kudzu630: Maybe... maybe... just hear me out... Having assholes vote to outs McCarthy wasn't the smartest play. Good luck holding the House morons. The DemoCraps are going to cheat with mail in ballot fraud, again, anyway. Seeing phonies get humiliated by getting kicked out of the Speaker position is great too see. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 11:57:45 PM EDT
[#43]
 There is a cure for treason. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:23:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BroomSlayer: Right... A lot of assumptions there. Will the precious ukraine even be around by then? Will Trump even get reelected? Personally, I'm not voting for any dipshit that supports this nonsense, to include Trump. Cue the autistic screeching about supporting Biden and the “grey bar hotel” |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:51:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BroomSlayer: What's the point of having the house if they are just going to go back on their promises? He literally had ONE job, he promised he was going to make sure foreign aid would be contingent on border security. He lied. Fuck the house. Fuck the GOP. This is their fault. They keep fucking us and expect zero consequences. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BroomSlayer: Originally Posted By kudzu630: Maybe... maybe... just hear me out... Having assholes vote to outs McCarthy wasn't the smartest play. Good luck holding the House morons. What's the point of having the house if they are just going to go back on their promises? He literally had ONE job, he promised he was going to make sure foreign aid would be contingent on border security. He lied. Fuck the house. Fuck the GOP. This is their fault. They keep fucking us and expect zero consequences. He tried that didn’t he? Guess he hat he got for it? |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 7:01:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: eolian]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BroomSlayer: Right... A lot of assumptions there. Will the precious ukraine even be around by then? Will Trump even get reelected? Personally, I'm not voting for any dipshit that supports this nonsense, to include Trump. At some point it will come up the USA has too much invested so troops it is. i think Trump will defuse the war and the 10% ends. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 7:15:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Johnson has been a disaster. Had the aid to Ukraine been approved months ago there would have been a lot less loss of life and more dead bad guys. Moscow Mike is finally coming around now that he realizes his son would be dragged into WW3. This |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 7:28:55 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mooreshawnm: Resistance to 15 million illegals is ultra right? I'm sorry, you are out of touch. @ mooreshawnm The fact is you aren't resisting. You are on your comfy couch, eating toxic fast food, while watching propaganda sound bites. That is not resisting. That is called rolling over. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 7:36:41 AM EDT
[#49]
Religious activism, the sooner Christian Zionism goes away the better.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 7:38:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mooreshawnm]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: @ mooreshawnm The fact is you aren't resisting. You are on your comfy couch, eating toxic fast food, while watching propaganda sound bites. That is not resisting. That is called rolling over. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: Resistance to 15 million illegals is ultra right? I'm sorry, you are out of touch. @ mooreshawnm The fact is you aren't resisting. You are on your comfy couch, eating toxic fast food, while watching propaganda sound bites. That is not resisting. That is called rolling over. Is that what I’m doing? Really? How's Liz doing? I like how you insinuate Johnson is mainstream, I point out the obvious error in your view...and you suddenly make it about me. Comical. Johnson is a traitor. If you support him you are a democrat. |
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