Someone on the left did not like Noem and told their media lackeys to find some dirt no matter how irrelevant. No wonder why the right is losing, a Dem can literally support Hamas and the left will remain silent. The right, however, will gobble up any hit piece thrown by the MSM. Pathetic.

You’re so familiar with bird dogs and raising them that you have no clue of how and when culling works?

LOL

I have no doubt you have had a bird dog and it was a success, but you obviously don’t have extensive experience for with multiple working dogs.  What she did is certainly not out of the norm for a good program.  Whether you emotionally agree or not is a different story.  Try to not let emotions run your life.


ETA:  just read another post of yours saying you would never do business with a breeder that utilizes a culling program.  Again, LOL.  Try to calm you emotions, she has obviously learned to tame them, take lessons.

Oh I get the point, but amazed that we would clutch pearls over it…when we should give it zero, no less than zero fucks, when we are dealing with the type of people who will murder a baby because the baby interferes with a weekend  excursion to Cabo. Certainly, with the amount of talent available, if such an event was made an  political issue, a retort other than my ‘fuck off and die’ could be crafted for the governor .

There is zero reasons an individual can’t make decisions about what’s desirable and not desirable and act within established animal husbandry practices.  

You have done business with someone who’s culled if you’ve ever bought a purpose bred dog..it may be a degree or two of separation but make no mistake…you’ve done business with that part of the industry.  You’re no different from the people whining about industrial poultry/beef/pork, all the while stuffing your face with aforementioned products.
I’m not saying this couldn’t have been handled differently or even better but she didn’t do anything outside of established animal husbandry practices.  You for whatever can’t accept that it’s her call to go this route and your and my opinion on how we would have handled it is irrelevant.
I don’t care about your heart warming tales.  I’m not saying that to be mean…it’s just an emotional distraction and in no way relevant outside of confirming your already readily apparent emotional bias.  Why do you think how you treat your animals somehow has any weight on how others should act?  Why do you think who your respect is or is not given to has any weight?

That’s the irony right there you can kill 500 k babies or more a year but don’t put down a dog yourself but it’s ok to take it to the vet and pay him to kill it.

You seem to be the one that has an emotional attachment to defending it.  Killing dogs that aren't perfect is certainly easier than finding homes for them.  I prefer to deal with people who actually like dogs enough to find homes for the less desirable ones, rather than killing them.

Kristi Noem ISN'T A BREEDER, so even comparing her to breeders who cull is irrelevant.  She was a shitty owner of a single dog, which she killed when she failed at HER end of the bargain.

Right or wrong, most folks don't want to know how the sausage is made so to speak.

Saying that she "hated" the dog doesn't really lean into the emotionless detachment usually reserved for livestock either.

Nobody had to dig anything up! SHE wrote about it in her BOOK.

If she shot a pit bull (or even a bird dog) that bit the face off a toddler, I don’t think anyone would give a shit.

Again she shot her bird dog barely out of puppyhood because it was chasing… Birds.

Then she blabbed about it in a book to make herself look “tough” trying to win over an electorate that by and large loves dogs.

All of it together shows a monumental lack of judgement, responsibility and self control.

Simping over it is even worse.

Right, and everyone living in American today supports slavery, because it was once legal in America.

I completely understand that some people do this and they consider it acceptable.  We differ in opinions on that.  How I personally feel about is relevant because this woman wants people like me to vote for her.  If she was just some random beeotch in South Dakota, it wouldn't matter.  If it was you, for example, it wouldn't matter, because you don't want to be the first or second most powerful person in the world and you're not trying to get me to vote for you.  After this thread ends, I probably won't even remember your screen name.

It's in line with practices that incorporate thorough behavioral assessment as part of the overall evaluation. Did she/they go through that process? She doesn't say. Dogs don't always bite because they're mean tempered. Taking her own statement in the context that she put it in, the conclusion is no. So, at best, I have to call it a poorly processed decision. And a weird/stupid flex.

Take a minute to calm your emotions and look at the whole picture.  You need to emotionally detach yourself from the scenario and whatever has scarred you, and look at it from a reasonable and logical view on culling and eliminating working dogs that just aren’t good dogs.  It happens.  And again, the whole point of her story was that it wasn’t an easy decision to make, but those are the decisions that NEED to be made.

I don’t think slavery is comparable to animal husbandry…that’s an interesting logic leap…stupid but interesting.

I’ve made it clear multiple times in this thread…I don’t give a single shit about the political aspect of this.  But from an animal husbandry aspect…she’s done nothing wrong…outside of hurting your delicate feelings.

Sure…I mean we can break apart her reasoning all we want…I’d probably agree with most of what is criticized.  Still is irrelevant.  Fact is, she culled a dog that in her mind exhibited less than desirable traits.  Doesn’t matter if there could have been a better outcome…it’s her call to make and within standard husbandry practices.

It’s not interesting at all.  It is just stupid.

The same suburban soccer Karens who are demanding abortions on demand to kill babies who may be a slight inconvenience to their lifestyle are now horrified over a dog being put down.

I’m wondering how many people simping for Noem and shrugging off killing her bird dog for chasing birds as “farm life” would be outraged if a Democratic politician admitted to killing their 14 mo old golden retriever because it stole food from the counter or pooped in the house.

I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess most.

Not to mention there is a striking similarity in mindset between the “you ain’t real country” folks and the “you ain’t really black” folks. It’s almost like it’s the flip side of the same coin.

I’m very calm.  Perhaps you’re projecting, and being defensive?  Do you know who wasn’t calm or emotionally detached?   Kristi Noem.  As she stated in her book, she “hated” the dog.  Killing it wasn’t a need, it was a desire fueled by her emotion (hate).  

For people who are too stupid to understand the logic…many people in 2024 benefit from activities that are considered shitty by 2024 standards, but happened generations ago.  So yes, the dog I have today may have genetically benefitted from culling done by other people, long ago, but the breeder I bought my dog from keeps all of his dogs in his house, and they are family pets.  So he and I benefited from these practices that we’d never do today.  Similarly, the White House was built with slave labor.  Does that mean that Abraham Lincoln was a hypocrite for living there, while fighting a war which was largely over slavery?  Of course not.  

There are ways to breed dogs that don’t include culling.  I get it that some people don’t want to put forth the time and effort to avoid culling.  Similarly, the Amish in Ohio have puppy mills that are horrible places, where I’m certain culling goes on too, but it’s perfectly acceptable to them.  Do you think Amish puppy mills are perfectly acceptable?

Calling shooting a young dog because of failed training, failure to control a dog and admitted “hate” isn’t animal husbandry.   Why you keep insisting it is, is odd.  Perhaps you are the one whose delicate feelings are being hurt?

Toad!

Lol the hyperbole of your mental gymnastics is amusing.

So I hate to break up your party with more facts…I know those are a new concept for you in the critical thinking department.  I’m not going to address the multitude of differences between the two subjects, but will gladly point out categorically incorrect statements regarding line breeding and the dog market.

You wouldn’t have the dog you have without the practice of culling…not 200 years ago…we’re talking less than 30 years ago this was pretty standard.  The only thing to stop the process industry wide was someone figured out they could sell you their sub-par or non target dogs, you’d still pay full price, they didn’t have to cull dogs, and you facilitated their breeding program.  This wasn’t some sort of societal awakening on how we treated dogs…this was someone figuring out how maximize profit.
“There are ways to breed dogs that don’t include culling.”  
So? There’s many different operations out there…doesn’t detract from the fact that culling is still a line breeding tool.  You don’t have to like but it is a tool that is used and will continue to be used until such time genetics can be manipulated in a lab for a cheaper price.  I am curious…you’ve shown you don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to animal husbandry.  Outline a breeding program that involves modifying a behavior by a standard deviation or more without culling in less than three years.  I’ll even wait why you flounder around researching things you have no clue about and gladly pick it apart.

Depends on the mill.  Would I facilitate a breeding program like that…no.  But I wouldn’t have the dogs I have today without sketchy breeding program’s keeping the breed alive in the not too distant past.  I also eat meat from industrial agriculture sources…so while it may be something I don’t like to think about…industrial animal husbandry is certainly something I participate in day to day.

I’m sure there was an emotional response…doesn’t detract from the owner identifying an undesirable behavior and acting within the confines of standard animal husbandry practices.  Why do you think these have to be mutually exclusive events?

@hoss622 I was a hunting guide and professionally trained hunting dogs for 10 years. I agree that it is a waste to kill a dog for something that trivial but there's a lot worse things going on in the dog world. Dog people (field trialers and dog showers are nuts. I wouldn't trust my neighbors cat with most of them.

Lmao. This is the problem with republicans. They respect the fuck out total idiots. Her story contradicts itself.

Cricket was “the picture of pure joy”.

“I hated that dog,”

Who hates a dog that’s the picture of pure joy?


“dangerous to anyone she came in contact with”

“Kennedy looked around confused,” Noem writes of her daughter, who asked: “Hey, where’s Cricket?”


The girl wouldn’t have asked that if she wasn’t used to Cricket greeting her when she got off the bus. If Crickst was that aggressive she wouldn’t have been around the kids.


She was pissed off at how the hunt went because she failed to properly train the dog and expected a dog barely out of the puppy stage to act like old bird dogs.

She was pissed because she failed to properly secure the  dog when she took it to a place that had chickens roaming around and the bird dog went after birds.

She was pissed that her failure to secure the dog cost her money and she had to comp the chicken owner.

She already hated the dog by her own admission.


So she got all emotional and did the stereotypical woman thing to do which was take zero responsibility for her failures and actions, put the blame on the dog then kill it.

The whole killing the goat I don’t like while I’m taking out the trash logic is just [img]/images/smilies/smiley_freak.gif[/img


But go ahead and keep humping her leg.


When democrats screw up the party leadership punishes them. Look at Cuomo and the gay crack that lost to DeSantis. After losing and his dead hooker hotel incident the Biden DOJ went hard on criminally investigating him for things while he was mayor.

You aren't wrong and neither am I.

The Timcast IRL folks joke about how city people think food comes from the grocery store, and not from farms.

I don’t know if you’re being god powered right now or not, but we are probably mostly on the same side.  I’m telling you straight up that what she did was not out of the norm.  I’d like to think deep down, you agree.  Give it a thought.  I don’t even fully trust her, but the attacks for this are ridiculous.

Take a step back for a minute and consider this fact:  It doesn’t matter how many animals she killed.  That’s not even the point.  

If she’s stupid enough to brag about it in a book, she shouldn’t be representing Us.  

It’s the stupidity.  Not the killing.

Lol

It’s not a non event if Trump picks her she drives away the fence sitting voters either party needs. Left has been pushing them to the right by being the groomer party now republicans are trying to push them back left by being the puppy killer party.

This.  Simps will be the death of us.

Cricket 100% needed to be put down once that threshold was crossed. No question.  However Noem failed Cricket miserably. All of that carnage could have been avoided had Cricket received the right training.

That being said, why the fuck would she write about that?! She should have kept that to herself.

It’s not bragging.  It’s her telling that it was a hard yet correct decision.  If you’re an overly emotional menopausal man, maybe you’re part of the problem.  As. I don’t mean you, I think that’s what she’s pointing out.  And I agree, especially based on all the Ukraine men residing in the US that are slaves to their wives. Fucking embarrassing.  Again, not pointed at you, just what her general observation probably is with all these so call men.

And this place is full of said Karens.

Your out of your mind ,dog should have been given to a loving family and neutered it wasn't hard .

Could be they're just more practical.

You're just pissed that Kristi Noem isn't "thick"

I have not read the whole thread but this shit is worse than harambe.

Might have to start calling her Lon Harambe-uci

Misogyny is an ugly thing

Like Goldbar Menendez ?

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Idiot.

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I don't really know the details about the decision but people every day make the decision to put down aggressive dogs. Depending on the type of aggression they can be a liability. If you rehome an aggressive dog you can still be held liable without an attorney involved in the release of liability. It doesn't matter if you are the breeder or not. Deep pockets assume greater risk. There is also a lot of people who have been raised that if a dog is aggressive they are to be put down. In most cases it is the simplest solution. While it was wreckless for her to write about it so insensitively-it shouldn't be a judgement on her character. It is more of a cultural difference than anything else.

I'm just here for the memes.

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Holy shit, maybe this is the event that teaches the left how to meme?  

Nevermind, it’s just republicans making fun of the stupid lady from one of the dakotas.  

Definitely reads that way to me...