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Posted: 3/28/2024 3:21:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: StevenH]
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/police-are-using-michigans-red-flag-law-confiscate-guns-heres-how
So far, at least, none of those worst-case predictions about the law have come true, Bob Stevenson, executive director of the Michigan Association of Chiefs of Police, told Bridge Michigan. While it’s been less than two months since implementation, he said it’s his understanding that fewer than 40 extreme risk protection orders had been served statewide as of March 22. In each case, police successfully confiscated the weapons without any significant problems, he said. “I think, in all, it’s probably gone about as well as could be expected,” Stevenson said. Bob Stevenson sounds like a cunt |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 3:22:50 PM EDT
[#1]
"working as intended"
 Yeah. It is. To disarm us. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 3:25:25 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: "working as intended" Yeah. It is. To disarm us. Crazy that a roommate or any family member can disarm you for a year. Don’t talk politics at family gatherings. A buddy of mine with class 3 stuff stopped going to marital counseling out of fear of this law. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 3:25:49 PM EDT
[#3]
Good thing our state GoP picked the right hills to die on. Totally worth surrendering the state government for lost causes.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 3:29:58 PM EDT
[#4]
Until they start getting significant problems disarming people, this will continue.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 3:30:06 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Crazy that a roommate or any family member can disarm you for a year. Don’t talk politics at family gatherings. A buddy of mine with class 3 stuff stopped going to marital counseling out of fear of this law. And what happens when people stop taking medications for anxiety and stress because they are also used for depression? What happens when people stop going to voluntary psychological services out of red flag law fear? How long before the state subpoenas lists of patients taking Celexa, Lexapro, Paxil, Wellbutrin, Venlafaxine, etc. and red flag those people? |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 3:40:49 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: A buddy of mine with class 3 stuff stopped going to marital counseling out of fear of this law. How many people will avoid going to a therapist because of this law? The thing it is supposedly in place to help will be worsened. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 3:44:04 PM EDT
[#7]
Just checked the local outlets. Yeah. This is being spammed all over the local media.
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MT, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 3:47:21 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Just checked the local outlets. Yeah. This is being spammed all over the local media. Nationally as well. There's a concerted effort to push how incredible and useful BS laws like this are. 
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Posted: 3/28/2024 3:49:40 PM EDT
[#9]
Michigan lacks an effective gun rights organization. There’s no FPC equivalent in Michigan.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 3:51:42 PM EDT
[#10]
Originally Posted By StevenH: https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/police-are-using-michigans-red-flag-law-confiscate-guns-heres-how “I think, in all, it’s probably gone about as well as could be expected,” Stevenson said. Translation: We haven't had to kill anyone who was resisting our efforts to make them less dangerous.  Attached File |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 4:00:13 PM EDT
[#11]
The nation’s first anti-red flag gun law is now on the books in Oklahoma to strengthen and protect citizens’ Second Amendment rights. Sen. Nathan Dahm, R-Broken Arrow, authored the measure, which was signed into law by the governor on Tuesday.
Senate Bill 1081, also known as the Anti-Red Flag Act, prohibits the state or any city, county or political subdivision from enacting red flag laws. It also prohibits the acceptance of any grants or funding to enact red flag laws. Michigan can eat shit |
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USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 4:13:54 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTYC313: Good thing our state GoP picked the right hills to die on. Totally worth surrendering the state government for lost causes. Surrendering implies they were fighting to begin with. They weren't. What they did to Tudor Dixon in the last election should have proven that we have a one party system in the state. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 4:46:05 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: Surrendering implies they were fighting to begin with. They weren't. What they did to Tudor Dixon in the last election should have proven that we have a one party system in the state. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: Originally Posted By CTYC313: Good thing our state GoP picked the right hills to die on. Totally worth surrendering the state government for lost causes. Surrendering implies they were fighting to begin with. They weren't. What they did to Tudor Dixon in the last election should have proven that we have a one party system in the state. Tudor Dixon, who shouldn't have even been on the ballot... we have GOT to fix our open primaries. We've been getting steadily screwed by the lefties on that for the last, what four Gov elections at least? |
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USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 4:49:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ronin72]
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Tudor Dixon, who shouldn't have even been on the ballot... we have GOT to fix our open primaries. We've been getting steadily screwed by the lefties on that for the last, what four Gov elections at least? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Ronin72: Originally Posted By CTYC313: Good thing our state GoP picked the right hills to die on. Totally worth surrendering the state government for lost causes. Surrendering implies they were fighting to begin with. They weren't. What they did to Tudor Dixon in the last election should have proven that we have a one party system in the state. Tudor Dixon, who shouldn't have even been on the ballot... we have GOT to fix our open primaries. We've been getting steadily screwed by the lefties on that for the last, what four Gov elections at least? Whether you liked her or not, it was what we had. The state GOP did NOTHING to support her. I didn't see signs with her name on it until 3 or 4 weeks before the election. I will definitely agree on the open primaries, but even if they are fixed, the states GOP has already proven they are selective on who they will support. I am thinking the only way we are going to REALLY fix the problem is with a viable third party. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 4:51:54 PM EDT
[#15]
Surely there are penalties for using false reporting (Swatting) as a weapon... Surely.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 4:58:13 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTYC313: Good thing our state GoP picked the right hills to die on. Totally worth surrendering the state government for lost causes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTYC313: Good thing our state GoP picked the right hills to die on. Totally worth surrendering the state government for lost causes. What now? The Democrats control everything - both House and Senate, the Governor, the SoS and the Supreme Court. How, exactly, can the Republicans stop any of it? The Senate voted along party lines 20-17 for the so-called "red flag" proposal, |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 5:01:35 PM EDT
[#17]
They'll never beat Florida at that rate.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 5:06:14 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By opnblstr: And what happens when people stop taking medications for anxiety and stress because they are also used for depression? What happens when people stop going to voluntary psychological services out of red flag law fear? How long before the state subpoenas lists of patients taking Celexa, Lexapro, Paxil, Wellbutrin, Venlafaxine, etc. and red flag those people? All of those things have been happening in the veteran community because of VA reporting requirements. The same will happen to the rest of us now. Unintended consequences (or are they). |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 5:12:33 PM EDT
[#19]
Because criminals and tyrannical tyrants can’t steal what they can’t find. Putting all your eggs in one basket has never been a good idea, especially now.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 5:12:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ringsting]
[#20]
I remember reading a few days ago in one other political thread, that one arfcom member stated that he was going to start voting demonrat just so we can go ahead and get the inevitable moving along.
I may have misread or misinterpreted what he wrote, (which would not be the first time, nor will it be the last), but I have been thinking about it. And he definitely makes a good point. Or...do we just need to vote harder? |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 5:12:56 PM EDT
[#21]
Bet boating accidents are going up too.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 5:14:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDDDCheapAF: Until they start getting significant problems Because it’s not just gun ownership in danger, it’s every single freedom and every single activity, down to how expensive your electricity , food and fuel and taxes are. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 5:20:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: Whether you liked her or not, it was what we had. The state GOP did NOTHING to support her. I didn't see signs with her name on it until 3 or 4 weeks before the election. I will definitely agree on the open primaries, but even if they are fixed, the states GOP has already proven they are selective on who they will support. I am thinking the only way we are going to REALLY fix the problem is with a viable third party. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Ronin72: Originally Posted By CTYC313: Good thing our state GoP picked the right hills to die on. Totally worth surrendering the state government for lost causes. Surrendering implies they were fighting to begin with. They weren't. What they did to Tudor Dixon in the last election should have proven that we have a one party system in the state. Tudor Dixon, who shouldn't have even been on the ballot... we have GOT to fix our open primaries. We've been getting steadily screwed by the lefties on that for the last, what four Gov elections at least? Whether you liked her or not, it was what we had. The state GOP did NOTHING to support her. I didn't see signs with her name on it until 3 or 4 weeks before the election. I will definitely agree on the open primaries, but even if they are fixed, the states GOP has already proven they are selective on who they will support. I am thinking the only way we are going to REALLY fix the problem is with a viable third party. Agree. And it's not like I didn't like Tudor... but she was in a perfect storm. In order, Roe V Wade gets overturned, the lefties cross the party lines and make sure Tudor's the nominee, and it's a slam dunk reelection for the worst democrat governor in recent memory. And all Whitless had to run on was "women's rights". |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 11:43:44 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Michigan lacks an effective gun rights organization. There’s no FPC equivalent in Michigan. Great Lakes Gun Rights |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 11:54:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Racer_X: Originally Posted By StevenH: Michigan lacks an effective gun rights organization. There’s no FPC equivalent in Michigan. Great Lakes Gun Rights I said effective. That’s means filing lawsuits, seeking preliminary injunctions before laws take effect, not just fund raising. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 11:56:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tsg68]
[#26]
40 too many.
They should just call them Red Coat laws… |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 11:59:11 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Extorris: They'll never beat Florida at that rate. I thought about how DeSantis might feel about repealing it. But he wouldn't. Imagine repealing it and then there is a mass shooting. Fuckers will come crawling out of the woodwork in droves to claim they wanted to say something but without the red flag law they didn't think it would do any good. And the left will lay the blame on the politicians who worked to repeal it. Red flag laws have to be stopped before they are implemented, because that shit is NEVER going away once you have it. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:03:12 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ringsting: I remember reading a few days ago in one other political thread, that one arfcom member stated that he was going to start voting demonrat just so we can go ahead and get the inevitable moving along. I may have misread or misinterpreted what he wrote, (which would not be the first time, nor will it be the last), but I have been thinking about it. And he definitely makes a good point. Or...do we just need to vote harder? I was either born too early or too late. I'm young enough that the shit will go down during my lifetime, but probably too old to survive it. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:07:14 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Tudor Dixon, who shouldn't have even been on the ballot... we have GOT to fix our open primaries. We've been getting steadily screwed by the lefties on that for the last, what four Gov elections at least? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Ronin72: Originally Posted By CTYC313: Good thing our state GoP picked the right hills to die on. Totally worth surrendering the state government for lost causes. Surrendering implies they were fighting to begin with. They weren't. What they did to Tudor Dixon in the last election should have proven that we have a one party system in the state. Tudor Dixon, who shouldn't have even been on the ballot... we have GOT to fix our open primaries. We've been getting steadily screwed by the lefties on that for the last, what four Gov elections at least? My government teacher in high school (over 20 years ago) bragged in class about how Democrats organized to screw with GOP primary elections. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:08:19 AM EDT
[#30]
So unconstitutional. Pre-crime and consequences w/out prior conviction.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:10:40 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ringsting: I remember reading a few days ago in one other political thread, that one arfcom member stated that he was going to start voting demonrat just so we can go ahead and get the inevitable moving along. I may have misread or misinterpreted what he wrote, (which would not be the first time, nor will it be the last), but I have been thinking about it. And he definitely makes a good point. Or...do we just need to vote harder? The problem with rolling the dice with "the inevitable" is that there is no guarantee who would win. (hint: nobody, except for maybe China) |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:14:26 AM EDT
[#32]
Until the Michigan constitution is fixed, meaning the redistricting committee is removed, absentee ballots are fixed, mail in ballots are banned, primaries are closed, and our constitutional amendment process is replaced; this state is lost.
Raging about the worthless MI GOP is a strategy, but it hasn’t helped us in the last 40 years. Until the root cause of our troubles is resolved, Michigan is gone. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:26:43 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DB0351: Until the Michigan constitution is fixed, meaning the redistricting committee is removed, absentee ballots are fixed, mail in ballots are banned, primaries are closed, and our constitutional amendment process is replaced; this state is lost. Raging about the worthless MI GOP is a strategy, but it hasn't helped us in the last 40 years. Until the root cause of our troubles is resolved, Michigan is gone. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:31:39 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Extorris: They'll never beat Florida at that rate. 
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:33:51 AM EDT
[#35]
police successfully confiscated the weapons without any significant problems.
Confiscation without due process is a pretty goddamned significant problem. I’ll go out on a limb and say this Bob Stevenson character is a lying sack of shit. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:37:49 AM EDT
[#36]
I’m so glad I left that shithole state but unfortunately I moved to another shithole state. But at least it’s not cold.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:51:29 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmathew: You can't fix those things without a viable Republican party or viable third party in Michigan. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmathew: Originally Posted By DB0351: Until the Michigan constitution is fixed, meaning the redistricting committee is removed, absentee ballots are fixed, mail in ballots are banned, primaries are closed, and our constitutional amendment process is replaced; this state is lost. Raging about the worthless MI GOP is a strategy, but it hasn't helped us in the last 40 years. Until the root cause of our troubles is resolved, Michigan is gone. Except it doesn’t require either. That’s the entire problem. The direct voting of constitutional amendments is how we got here. As much as I hate them, the democrat party didn’t do this. The shit heel voters did. The problems can’t be fixed even if every single elected official in the state was an R. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 3:06:59 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTYC313: Good thing our state GoP picked the right hills to die on. Totally worth surrendering the state government for lost causes. What hills/causes did they pick? I assume something really retarded @CTYC313 |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 3:28:52 AM EDT
[#39]
Just move to a free state!!!!!1
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:15:58 AM EDT
[#40]
Dont worry guys. Most cops are pro 2A and would never enforce these types of laws. I know the sheriff of my tiny county in the middle of nowhere would never enforce a red flag law.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:22:05 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: Whether you liked her or not, it was what we had. The state GOP did NOTHING to support her. I didn't see signs with her name on it until 3 or 4 weeks before the election. I will definitely agree on the open primaries, but even if they are fixed, the states GOP has already proven they are selective on who they will support. I am thinking the only way we are going to REALLY fix the problem is with a viable third party. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Ronin72: Originally Posted By CTYC313: Good thing our state GoP picked the right hills to die on. Totally worth surrendering the state government for lost causes. Surrendering implies they were fighting to begin with. They weren't. What they did to Tudor Dixon in the last election should have proven that we have a one party system in the state. Tudor Dixon, who shouldn't have even been on the ballot... we have GOT to fix our open primaries. We've been getting steadily screwed by the lefties on that for the last, what four Gov elections at least? Whether you liked her or not, it was what we had. The state GOP did NOTHING to support her. I didn't see signs with her name on it until 3 or 4 weeks before the election. I will definitely agree on the open primaries, but even if they are fixed, the states GOP has already proven they are selective on who they will support. I am thinking the only way we are going to REALLY fix the problem is with a viable third party. It’s not the GOPs fault that republican voters nominated an awful candidate. The state GOP might be completely incompetent, but that’s not what lost the election. Nominating an awful fucking candidate lost the election. The only people to blame are the people who supported her in the primary. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:26:31 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tsg68: 40 too many. They should just call them Red Coat laws… More like Red Star. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:27:35 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagoth-Ur: What hills/causes did they pick? I assume something really retarded @CTYC313 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagoth-Ur: Originally Posted By CTYC313: Good thing our state GoP picked the right hills to die on. Totally worth surrendering the state government for lost causes. What hills/causes did they pick? I assume something really retarded @CTYC313 No abortion in any scenario. She repeatedly stated that kids who get raped by their uncle should not be allowed to get an abortion, along with some wacky shit about how having the child would promote healing or whatever. Turns out that shockingly, the vast majority of Americans don’t agree. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 6:00:40 AM EDT
[#44]
That's 36 people who should be suing the law as unconstitutional. They have standing.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 6:01:18 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MartinSsempa: Dont worry guys. Most cops are pro 2A and would never enforce these types of laws. I know the sheriff of my tiny county in the middle of nowhere would never enforce a red flag law. You serious Clark? |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 6:06:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Extorris]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MartinSsempa: Dont worry guys. Most cops are pro 2A and would never enforce these types of laws. I know the sheriff of my tiny county in the middle of nowhere would never enforce a red flag law. He must be "a big Second Amendment guy" like Sheriff Grady Judd. 
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:08:16 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RebelBoxer: You serious Clark? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RebelBoxer: Originally Posted By MartinSsempa: Dont worry guys. Most cops are pro 2A and would never enforce these types of laws. I know the sheriff of my tiny county in the middle of nowhere would never enforce a red flag law. You serious Clark? I read that as dripping with sarcasm. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:20:07 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stlrain0341: It’s not the GOPs fault that republican voters nominated an awful candidate. The state GOP might be completely incompetent, but that’s not what lost the election. Nominating an awful fucking candidate lost the election. The only people to blame are the people who supported her in the primary. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stlrain0341: Originally Posted By Ronin72: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Ronin72: Originally Posted By CTYC313: Good thing our state GoP picked the right hills to die on. Totally worth surrendering the state government for lost causes. Surrendering implies they were fighting to begin with. They weren't. What they did to Tudor Dixon in the last election should have proven that we have a one party system in the state. Tudor Dixon, who shouldn't have even been on the ballot... we have GOT to fix our open primaries. We've been getting steadily screwed by the lefties on that for the last, what four Gov elections at least? Whether you liked her or not, it was what we had. The state GOP did NOTHING to support her. I didn't see signs with her name on it until 3 or 4 weeks before the election. I will definitely agree on the open primaries, but even if they are fixed, the states GOP has already proven they are selective on who they will support. I am thinking the only way we are going to REALLY fix the problem is with a viable third party. It’s not the GOPs fault that republican voters nominated an awful candidate. The state GOP might be completely incompetent, but that’s not what lost the election. Nominating an awful fucking candidate lost the election. The only people to blame are the people who supported her in the primary. Except it wasn’t Republican voters that nominated the unelectable candidate. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:34:03 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Racer_X: How many people will avoid going to a therapist because of this law? The thing it is supposedly in place to help will be worsened. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:03:44 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Except it wasn’t Republican voters that nominated the unelectable candidate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Stlrain0341: Originally Posted By Ronin72: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Ronin72: Originally Posted By CTYC313: Good thing our state GoP picked the right hills to die on. Totally worth surrendering the state government for lost causes. Surrendering implies they were fighting to begin with. They weren't. What they did to Tudor Dixon in the last election should have proven that we have a one party system in the state. Tudor Dixon, who shouldn't have even been on the ballot... we have GOT to fix our open primaries. We've been getting steadily screwed by the lefties on that for the last, what four Gov elections at least? Whether you liked her or not, it was what we had. The state GOP did NOTHING to support her. I didn't see signs with her name on it until 3 or 4 weeks before the election. I will definitely agree on the open primaries, but even if they are fixed, the states GOP has already proven they are selective on who they will support. I am thinking the only way we are going to REALLY fix the problem is with a viable third party. It’s not the GOPs fault that republican voters nominated an awful candidate. The state GOP might be completely incompetent, but that’s not what lost the election. Nominating an awful fucking candidate lost the election. The only people to blame are the people who supported her in the primary. Except it wasn’t Republican voters that nominated the unelectable candidate. I’d love to be wrong so please share sources, but I dont think I’ve seen anything to suggest that. She won almost 2-1 over the next closest candidate in the primary. Polling consistently showed she was leading for the most part of the primary. Trump endorsed her. She certainly had some vocal support here. I don’t doubt she got support from democrats, but I don’t think they swung the race by 200k+ votes. |
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