Took the glock out of the salt water, and ran 500rds through it. Sorry, would have done 1K, but this was PAINFUL.  No cleaning or oil, since the last tests.




I learned I have an aimed rate of  fire of 100RPM :-)
Attempted to load several mags at once and blast through one at a time.  After the 3rd mag my hand was almost numb, and I had to really hor at holding on.  Need to shoot 2 mags rest a couple minutes and shoot 2 more.  
partial video

I dont have room on my server for the whole video, but I think TheRicker may be able to host it later. The spliced together video documents every shot. Count the rounds if you want, I think he caught them all.

Time to stick my hand in a bag of ice. Not the smartest thing I've done....

Quoted: Quoted: Took the glock out of the salt water, and ran 500rds through it. Sorry, would have done 1K, but this was PAINFUL.  No cleaning or oil, since the last tests. Based on the video it looks like she ran just fine!  Get Eric and Dubb-1 in there to give you a hand loading mags

Dubb-1 isnt allowed to play one the weekends, and when asked, TheRicker would rather spackle than shoot

Quoted: Quoted: Based on the video it looks like she ran just fine!  Get Eric and Dubb-1 in there to give you a hand loading mags Dubb-1 isnt allowed to play one the weekends, and when asked, TheRicker would rather spackle than shoot

Now that just isn't fair at all...

SHE MADE ME!  I had to sand and prime too.

BTW, I mailed you a much smaller version of the video.

Its back in the salt water muck. I'll probably take it out tonight and let it drip dry. What difference does it make if it in there for 10 minutes or 10 days? I can't get an more wet.
If you have 5 minutes to kill heres the full 500rds.

If Dubb and Eric want to come out and shoot another 500rds, I'll load the mags while they shoot

Quoted: Quoted: Which of your 1911s are you going to put through the same tests? I'd vote for Springfield Professional Model. Be well!

You can bring your PRO out, I'll supply the ammo. You can use the same dirt, sand and powder(forget about the paste).

Quoted: Seriously though, what exactly is the point of a pistol going through this kind of stuff?

$hits and giggles.  

A rifle I can understand...you would slog a combat rifle through the mud and crap and then have to shoot hundreds of rounds through it without a chance to clean it.

I'll never slog a combat rifle through the mud and crap, but I carry a pistol everyday.  Those(civil population/e-commandos) who talk about a pistol only being used to fight your way to your rifle are in their own world.  

But a pistol is an emergency weapon.

More reason to know what it will handle

Salt water is nasty. Looks like all the tennifer pieces are fine, but untreated parts didnt stand a chance.  I believe the rust on the barrel dripped down from the guide rod and should wipe right off.

Quoted: Now run a few hundred through it and retake those pictures!

I'm not physically able, my hand is too sore from the other day still.  Its just discolored, everything slides, clicks, and sproings just fine. I'm going to clean everything and see what is actually rust and what is just "runoff".  

I'll keep those springs until they break

Quoted: Thanks your sacrificing your Glock in the search of knowledge, we all can benefit from info like this.

What sacrifice? Its still just as reliable/accurate as it was when I bought it new almost 10 years ago.

Good as new, almost. The Guide rod has pitting dammage, and so does the slide lock but thats the only evidence remaining.  The locking block must have tennifer along with all the pins. The sopts on the bottom of the barrel discolored the finish, but the metal is still glass smooth. The other parts must be stainless steel, as it rubbed off, but didnt wipre righ off like the barrel and slide.

Quoted: You have a 10 year old Glock with frame rails..................................

I said almost..

I guess its more like almost almost. I bought it in the summer of 96.

Quoted: Quoted: We'll test one of my Professional Models in the same manner, except there is no way I'm soaking them in salt water. That gives me the heebie-jeebies. Rust on a $2500 gun? No thanks. Be well! Oh I can't wait to see this

I think you'll be surprised at everything the 1911 takes. I really like the 1911. I dont really care about Glocks. Its just s simple tool, that does the job it was designed for. I bought this 21 because I couldnt afford the 1911 I wanted. I had my reloading press, and a .45 pistol to shoot. Turned out I shot it well, so I kept shooting it. I only own 1 other Glock(19), which I carry when I dont have a 1911. I didnt want to like the Glock, but I shoot tighter groups, faster with it than I had ever done with any other pistol.

Looking back at this and how $hit got where it did in the glock, I really appreciated the design of the standard GI 1911. Bury it in the dirt with the slide locked back, all you have an exposed barrel, the recoil spring and internals are still protected. With the Glock, the exposed dust cover is basically a funnel to the inside.
Burying a 1911 cocked and locked should be interesting though.
The sand should be no problem, neither should the dirt. The mud may be an issue as the water puts stuff into more places. I bet the baby powder will be the end of the issue. The powder is too fine, and the PRO is too tight. We’ll test his fairly new PRO, and again after it gets about 100K rounds through it.  I dont have the nerve to test my '44 Remington, but I know it would keep going after the PRO was out of the running.

Other than testing the PRO to see how it will do, dont compare the PRO to the Glock, two completely different tools, for two completely different jobs. The PRO was designed as a carry piece, that was never meant to perform in the conditions a combat handgun like a Glock is expected to.
I'm as confident carrying a 1911 for CCW, as I would be to have a Glock in some jungle.

The arguments I enjoy the most by those against Glocks are the accuracy and trigger bullshit.
Trigger - if you dont like it and you have a choice, get rid of it. If you dont like it and dont have a choice, get used to it. Practice.

Handgun accuracy is just marketing BS. (I'm not talking about target pistols) A pistol can shoot 1.5" at 50yds. BFD, who the hell can do that? Regardless of what pistol, why on earth would you pay extra for that? Minute of dead is somewhere between 6-8" at 10', which can only be achieved through practice.

I'll get Dubb to empty a mag from one of his 1.5" @ 50yds pistols into a target at 30'.
I'll do the same with my Glock, and we'll compare group sizes

I'm no expert, but wont hesitate to say I'm well practiced with that particular tool.

Pick the tool for the job, familiarize yourself with it and all(as dubb says) will "Be Well".

Kimber

Quoted: streetpro.com/usp/torture.html www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3132 While not as in depth as your testing, this does look at several other pistols. Also, in the latest issue of "Velocity", SIGs company magazine, they did a torture test on several different SIG pistols with good results. I would think an HK USP would hold up just as well as the Glock in these tests.  Not sure about a SIG or 1911 though. I like Glocks and have had four different models over the years but they just don't fit me well and that translates into not shooting them well for me. I would love to see you do this to other pistols but...........someones guns other than mine.

The 1911 forum post was interesting, but I dont understand the "dog" comment.   Oh well. As I said before there is a handfull of locals who have seen what my 21 has been through. This is the first time I had ever organized/tested anything. Over the years we'd be shooting, I'd toss it in the mud, dig it out and keep shooting.

When we get back from Shot, the next test will be a sand "box".  I'll find a 1 or 2' square box and put about an inch of sand in it. I'l cut a hole for my hand and place the pistol in the box.  I'll fire from inside the box and see what happens. Trust me, I've done it before and sand gets EVERYWHERE in the firearm.   This is similar to what I have to test fire pistols and rifles. When I get a new magazine, or want to see if a load will feed (and dont have time to get to a range) I load up, stick the pistol in the box and empty the mag for a reliability/function check.  The  high dollar 1911s I tested like this needed to be stripped and blown out before I could finish 1 magazine.  Both failed to fully close and lock up due to the tighness of the locking lugs.