User Panel
|
Steve, I'm not trying to rock the boat here, but I see in the referenced link below that Armalite had problems with the FAL mags in their AR-10. I am in no way attempting to equate RRA with Armalite I was just wondering what RRA's stance was on the issue. Obviously if you thought there was a problem you wouldn't be using the FAL mags. I'm just curios.
Here's the link: www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=27&t=149407 |
|
Purchase the BM design and make it better to eliminate bolt breakage?
Will chrome lining ever be offered, or different stainless barrels? |
|
Close. WIZZO |
|
|
I thought I read that RRA was making the Bushmaster BAR10? Maybe there is something to this. I think the price was the bigest issue that Bushmaster's BAR10 could not overcome. The mags have never been an issue for my BAR10 and the best part is they are about $9 new?
|
|
I have inside info from a reputable source stating that they made them for Bushy. WIZZO |
|
|
Anyone lucky enought to have received one of the new catalogs care to share the listed prices and different models of the LAR-10's with the rest of us?
|
|
And the lawyers get richer and richer and...... 5sub |
||
|
But maybe your parts problem with your present BM 308 will be (mostly) solved............ 5sub |
|
|
But did BM ever own the BM 308 design.......................... ???? 5sub |
||
|
Steve did you ever get any word on accessory compatability with the Armalite or Bushy versions? I'd like to start buying the goodies if I can.
|
|
Phylo,
It won't be compatible with the Armalite, but, as things stand right now, should be w/ any BM accessories you can find...except I don't remember there being any except the YHM handguard/removable rail system. RRA will be offering accessories once the project moves further forward, and are already in discussion with other manufacturors for OEM and aftermarket accessories as well. Steve/RRA |
|
I thought RRA didn't go forward with manufacture before cause of the known fault that caused receiver cracks and that's why BM stopped production too. wtf?
|
|
Steve, PRI makes a carbon fiber FF tube for the AR10. I'd like to put together a SPRish LAR-10. Thanks for the info!!
|
|
I hope they wil take the standard accessories available for the AR, you know, Magpul stocks, ACE stocks, Hogue grips......
Steve can you comment on that? Thanks, 77Bronc I have the A4 in mind right now, I have a bunch of used FN metric mags that will be disassembeled, bead blasted and new K-Kote applied. 77Bronc |
|
I don't know fore sure but the RRA LAR10 looks just like my BAR10. Hmm, BAR10 LAR10, BAR10 LAR10, are we on to something here? My BAR10 uses standard AR stocks, trigger groups and handguards. Some parts that are different are: ambi bolt catch, charge handle, ambi mag release, and of course the buffer is shorter. The carrier is the size of a small club. The receivers probably 3/4" longer than an AR10. I compared the bolt to my DPMS LR308 and they look identical except for the extractors.
I think Bushy was gambling on the AWB being renewed so that they could get their high prices on these rifles. The AWB went bye bye and so did the need for cheap and available preban mags. I think it is pretty crappy to leave all BAR10 owners in the learch after shelling out that kind of money. After reading this I think my problems could be solved. |
|
An awful lot of non-caliber specific parts and accessories will be capable of use on the LAR-10. grips, fire control components (semi), most stocks, standard handguards, etc....
A lot of parts are beefed up components that are similiar to, but not interchangeable with, othe rparts on 223 models. Gas tubes, action springs, buffers, 6-position receiver extensions, bolt carrier group components, etc...aare included in that group of parts. More info to follow. Steve/RRA |
|
Steve,
I don't know if you can answer this question now, or need to wait for SHOT, or it's just proprietary, but: Why did you all go with a design that used an existing magazine from a different platform? I'm assuming RRA has had the design in the works for some time now, perhaps as far back as the AWB days, but didn't release it until it was ready. I know that ArmaLite went with a different platform's magazines (M14) because they released their AR-10 during the AWB, and a design using existing magazines with a capacity larger than 10 rounds (so the general public could buy the rifle and shoot the rifle) would be more desireable. I figure Bushmaster thought the same way when they had their BAR-10. The only company I've seen with different thinking was DPMS, by using Stoner/KAC compatible magazines. When I was in the market for a .308 caliber AR, the DPMS magazine issue was the only thing that really made the DPMS attractive to me. However, I found an ArmaLite for a good price and couldn't pass the deal up, but dislike the fact that I'm limited to one system. I guess what I'm getting at is that it would be nice if the .308 AR makers used some more common parts and magazines, even if it requires a little more work to keep from patent infringement/etc. I grew up on AR15s, and because the rifle itself is standarized because it was originally designed for the military, have become spoiled on the interchangeability of mags, parts, etc. when building and using AR15s. If one company doesn't make a chromelined barrel in the profile I want, then I can buy another company's and be done. If I can get one brand of mags more readily than others, then I go with availability. Anyway, thanks for being here and answering questions. I wish you guys success on the LAR-10. |
|
this is not cool, you guys not answering the question everyone wants to know.
|
|
Well all I can say about this is:
THANK YOU RRA! YOU WILL GET ALL MY GUN MONEY THIS YEAR!!!!!!! |
|
I'll try to answer some of the questions.
We've never heard of a known design flaw in anybody's 308, nor of cracked receivers in anybody's 308s. I would love to see one of any make that has actually broken a recveiver, if for no other reason but to try to identify a cause for such breakage. The FAL mag is the most common 7.6x51 magazine in the world. This rifle was designed around it for that reason. There was no point reinventing the wheel when, with a different mindset and proper engineering, this readily available, inexpensive, and very functional magazine would work quite readily in a new rifle designed to use it. Chrome-lining will PROBABLY be an option in the future, but is not currently. All sorts of options and accessories are in the works...quads, mounts, carry handles, etc... The LAR-10 shares significant parts interchangeability with the LAR-15. We have patents on several of the key features of the LAR-10, as do other manufacturers' on their proprietary sytems. The 308s on the market aren't common across brands because there is no long-standing base model on the market as there was with the AR-15/M-16. Different companies pursued different paths in what they wanted to make. People are going to swear by, and at, different brands (and features/components/mag choices, etc...)just as they do with the current smaller caliber offerings. Some features are still in the works,while others are nailed down. The receivers will be forged. The barrel twist will be 1:10. The Hogue grip and RRA 2-stage NM triggers will be standard features. A2 uppers will have, as a rule, front sight housings. A4 uppers will, as a rule, have gas blocks. Mid length carbines will be standard with a proprietary 6-position stock that shares many, but not all, features of our currently offered 6-position stocks. An A2 style flash hider will be standard on all models currently listed except the varmint style which will have an unthreaded, target crowned bull barrel. The name is LAR-10. There are still some things which can't be shared with you. I'm sorry, but that's the way it's going to have to be for a little bit. Call, e-mail, or IM me directly if you feel the need, but there isn't a whole lot more to show or tell right now. Thanks for your interest and your understanding. Steve/RRA |
|
That's all I needed to hear. IF you say it doesn't happen, than it doesn't happen. And that means I'll get at least one. I know of at least one other person who will also get one simply onthe basis of that answer. So you got two sold! |
|
|
ChapperJoe,
I'm hoping that we get more than 2 orders. Steve/RRA |
|
From me? |
|
|
Steve, Thanks for your candor and taking the time to answer. You're good people. |
||
|
Steve,
I am on the waiting list. I will not question one issue with this rifle. I don't care about BM, DPMS, XYZ or ABC, all I know is if it says RRA on the side that is all that matters to me. If it comes out of your shop, there is not doubt that it is top notch, A+, Number 1..... I can care less about water under the bridge, I am sure you, Chuck and Mark tested the poo-poo out of before it was released for public purchase. Thanks, Richard Dedicated RRA AR and 1911 owner |
|
For the right price, you'll get an order for at least one or two from me to keep their LAR-15 stablemates company... Forrest |
|
|
Hey Steve will a version with a brake be available for NY and other states where scary flash suppressors are not allowed? Maybe as a special order or something? I guess ordering from Adco and having them permanently attach a brake would work also. |
|
|
How about a version without a flashhider or brake! Unlike certain pussy penguins, not everyone needs a brake on a .308!
|
|
Any pics of the other side of the rifle? The BM 308 had a normal AR-15 looking fwd assist didn't it?
Does the RRA follow this pattern is it smooth sided in back like Knight's and Armalite? |
|
says the guy weeping over his heavy wittle battle wifle limp wrister's heavy fal |
|
|
I owned a Bushmaster BAR-10 for over one year. I had a few problems with it that I hope your new LAR-10 will not have when it is released.
|
|
Keeps the crown from being damaged if you actually take it somewhere other than the range. |
|
|
You guys just had to bring this out didn't you?!
Now I have to resort to choosing what gun stuff to buy again! ETA: You know what I would personally really go for would be a mid-length with an 18" Barrel. |
|
The summer release date is helpfull....
I've already made my pitch for a "few" in our upcoming budget.... This is just what we have been waiting for.... .308 caliber, RRA quality and already proven with my pd.... and the mags are just icing on the cake. We'll be placing an order! |
|
Head on over to the RRA website. They have the LAR-10s on the site now. The MSRP is very reasonable when compared to Armalite or the now discontinued Bushmaster.
|
|
COMPLETE 223 PISTOLS!!!!!! do you have ANY IDEA what I had to go through to make mine!!!!!!!! and now they are selling them whole!!! DAMN YOU RRA!!!!
HAd to get a compelte pistol lower and a complete CARA4 upper and send it to adco to be shortened properly...... damn. |
|
I may have missed it, sorry if I did but is this going to accept metric or inch FAL mags?
TIA |
|
Catalog states either |
|
|
Interesting.. thanks Steve_M |
||
|
Just got back from the SHOT show and was able to fondle the new LAR-10's. From what I could tell, there was no difference between the LAR-10 and any of the other RRA's I own or have handled. Overall quality appeared excellent and the fit & finish was exactly what I have come to expect from RRA. I'm looking forward to putting one in my gunsafe as soon as possible.
|
|
Phylo....did I talk to you?
The display rifles were great...I only regret not being able to have a varmint model for display. Thanks. Steve |
|
Steve, I saw you but you were busy and I didn't get a chance to say Hi. The LAR-10's looked great and I like the cases for them as well. I'll try to stop and talk next year, I won't be in nearly as big a hurry to see Mickey Mouse as I was to get back to the casino!!
|
|
How about all of the BAR-10 feeding problems? |
|
|
Well, I've got one on order (my LAR-15s talked to me and made me do it) and will plan on another when chrome bores become available...
I guess that I'll be seeing whether any BAR-10 feeding problems are fixed in the LAR-10. Given past experience with RRA, my expectation is that they will make good any problems that occur... If you wait to order, you might end up getting yours in 2008 or later... I'm not taking that chance... Forrest |
|
Well, we ran into a problem. When we add something to our budget requests, we have to attach documentation (periodical reviews, web site information, etc). We had added the RRA's website, and there's the projected accuracy of 1 MOA. Now, most of our office weenies don't even know what that is, but now they are jumping up and down about DPMS having a lower cost, better MOA.
We have already sent our arguments back reference the difference between the two, our current positive experience with the RRA's on duty, reduced cost of magazines, that the projected accuracy is more than enough for our needs, etc. But I'd feel better if there's something I can add to downplay the projected fight I have ahead of me. Remember, practical application issues have no place in an argument with financial wizards in government. Steve: any ideas I can use here? Other than I just want the RRA LAR-308? Anything you can give us would be greatly appreciated! Disregard: Weenies loose. Chief said no way to DPMS! |
|
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.