Saw this in another thread and figured that it deserved its own. This was their plan in 1993. Fortunately, it didn't come to pass, but always remember, THIS is what they mean by "reasonable gun control".

5 year plan to turn every gun owner into a former gun owner or a criminal


* Ban of all clips holding over 6 bullets.
* Ban on all semiautos which can fire more than 6 bullets without reloading.
* Ban of possession of parts to convert arms into military configuration.
* Ban on all pump shotguns capable of being converted to more than 5 shots without reloading.
* Banning of all machine guns, destructive devices, short shotguns/rifles and assault weapons.
* Banning of Saturday Night Specials.
* Banning of Non-Sporting Ammunition
* Arsenal licensing (for possession of multiple guns and large amounts of ammunition)
* Elimination of the Department of Civil Marksmanship.
* Ban on possession of a firearm within a home located within 1000 feet of a schoolyard.
* Ban on all realistic replicas/toy guns or non-firearms capable of being rendered realistic.
* The right of the victim of gun violence to sue manufacturers and dealers to be affirmed and perhaps, aided with money from government programs.
* Taxes on ammo, Dealers licenses & guns to offset the medical costs to society.
* The eventual ban on all semiautomatics (regardless of when made or caliber).

WHAT WAS ONLY A DREAM TEN YEARS AGO CAN BE REALITY AS EARLY AS THIS YEAR

(After the meeting the following ideas were the result of a brainstorming session to guide the focus of gun control initiatives over the next five years. These may not be politically feasible for 1994, but we are confident that with continued pressure we can achieve most if not all of these goals within the next five years. The following list is condensed from our meeting in which we considered the best ideas for public safety expansion. The time is right for action.)


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FIVE YEAR PLAN

LICENSES:

1. NATIONAL LICENSING OF ALL HANDGUN PURCHASES
This is at the top of our list, however, the political climate may be right to initiate this step immediately. Please refer to our memo outlining our ideas on how this should be executed.

2. LICENSE FOR RIFLES AND SHOTGUNS
We should take our cues from Great Britain. Strict licensing should be mandatory –– for all firearms whether handguns or not.

3. STATE LICENSES FOR OWNERSHIP OF FIREARMS
We want to take a workable idea from Great Britain, whereas, we should require the states to issue strict licenses for possession and require the licenses to be signed by at least three public officials ––i.e., the police chief, city attorney and mayor, for example, to eliminate ownership by dangerous individuals. It is reasonable to require that all individuals must prove to the signers that they require a firearm. This should be attached to any legislation requiring purchasers to show a need for a firearm.

4. REDUCTION OF THE NUMBER OF GUNS TO REQUIRE AN ARSENAL LICENSE

Right now the proposed Arsenal licenses which Senator Feinstein should be pushing for, requires an "Arsenal License" for those people who feel they need more than 20 guns and 1000 rounds of ammunition. We feel that number is too generous, due to the fact that any number of guns constitutes a grave threat to the safety of the community; we suggest Strongly that this license limit be reduced to possession greater than 5 guns and 250 rounds of ammunition.

5. ARSENAL LICENSE FEES
It is not unreasonable to require a yearly fee for an Arsenal license to be at least $300, with a cap of $1000. The money collected can be used to defray the immense medical costs directly attributed to these deadly weapons.

6. LIMITS ON ARSENAL LICENSING
No Arsenal Licensing to be permitted in counties with populations of more than 200,000.

7. REQUIREMENT OF FEDERALLY APPROVED STORAGE SAFES FOR ALL GUNS
We should follow Great Britain's lead on this. All licensed gun owners should be required to have a storage safe which meets minimum federally mandated requirements. This step would reduce the tragic accidents which claim the lives of tens of thousands of children a year and make it more difficult for burglars to steal the guns.

8. INSPECTION LICENSE
Another good revenue source would be mandatory inspection licensing of all safes. Each safe would be registered with a specific serial number and the serial numbers and types of weapons stored would be on file with federal and state authorities. Since unannounced inspectors can insure that all declared weapons are being properly stored, all safe licenses should have an additional yearly fee to offset the cost of these spot inspections.

PUBLIC SAFETY REGULATIONS:

9. Ban ON MANUFACTURING IN COUNTRIES WITH A POPULATION OF MORE THAN 200,000
Guns are being built all the time and the number of licensed manufacturers it too great to justify the threat to public safety. This is a small step to reduce the number of these shops where, anything, even machine guns, are being built every day.

10. BANNING ALL MILITARY STYLE FIREARMS
The pending national ban on all Assault Weapons, based on a point system can be expanded to eventually cover any firearm with a remotely military appearance. We feel that this aggressive appearance appeals to the type of dangerous individuals who are a definite threat to public safety. We hope that this point system can eventually be expanded to high powered airguns and "paint ball" weapons, which can inflict great damage, and with a little effort can be converted to real guns.

11. Banning OF ANY MACHINE GUN PARTS OR PARTS WHICH CAN BE USED IN A MACHINE GUN
Periodicals such as "The Shotgun News" particularly cater to individuals who wish to build illegal machine guns. If Senator Feinstein's courageous section of the crime bill is successful in banning all machine gun parts expect for police and military, then there would be no legitimate need for machine gun parts except to build illegal weapons.

12. BANNING THE CARRYING OF A FIREARMS ANYWHERE BUT HOME OR TARGET RANGE OR IN TRANSIT FROM ONE TO THE OTHER
We should institute a federal mandate to the states to strictly regulate the carrying of a firearm.

13. BANNING REPLACEMENT PARTS (MFG, SALE, POSSESSION, TRANSFER, INSTALLATION) EXCEPT BARREL, TRIGGER GROUP
Thousand of people are building illegal weapons every day. We can put a dent in this by banning parts and parts kits, except those items like the barrel and trigger group, which are most likely to wear out due to use.

14. ELIMINATION OF THE CURIO RELIC LIST
A gun is a gun. Even an old gun can kill people. This a loop hole in the federal law which was allowed thousands of dangerous weapons to be distributed unchecked. This regulation, if enacted, would automatically eliminate the need for a Curio or Relic collector's license. All handguns, rifles and shotguns would fall into the same category as their modern counterparts.

15. CONTROL OF AMMUNITION BELONGING TO CERTAIN SURPLUS FIREARMS
Senator Moynihan has already proposed a tax or ban on .22 LR, .32 ACP, and 9mm ammo,however, it has been pointed out to us that there is an extreme proliferation of high powered surplus rifles (i.e.,the Mosin-Nagant series and Enfield series) in which the wholesale prices are as low as $45 to $75. We suggest that to control the proliferation of violence associated with the large number of these types of weapons entering this country that we ban the importation of their ammunition. 7.62x54R and .303 surplus ammunition.

16. EVENTUAL BAN OF HANDGUN POSSESSION
This may be closer to reality than many of us think. Handguns are becoming increasingly unpopular and we think that within five years we can enact a total ban on possession at the federal level.

17. BANNING OF ANY AMMO THAT FITS MILITARY GUNS (POST 1945)
With the proliferation of high powered weapons, including semiautomatics and automatics from World War II, we suggest following the lead of Mexico, by prohibiting the sale, manufacture, possession or transfer of any caliber fitting a military firearm in service with a recognized military force after 1945.

AMMUNITION AND EXPLOSIVES:

18. BANNING OF ANY QUANTITY OF SMOKELESS POWDER OR BLACK POWDER WHICH WOULD CONSTITUTE MORE THAN THE EQUIVALENT OF 100 ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION
With the bombing of the World Trade Center, it has been made clear that we must reinforce the above proposed regulation with this additional notation. It is arguable that no one has any real need to have so much dangerous material on hand.

19. BAN ON THE POSSESSION OF EXPLOSIVE POWDERS OF MORE THAN 1 KILOGRAM AT ANY ONE TIME
Gun nuts are notorious for circumventing the intent of the law, so we can reinforce the above proposed regulation with this additional notation. This additional language can be useful in preventing "bomb-makers" and other dangerous individuals.

20. BANNING OF HIGH POWERED AMMO OR WOUNDING AMMO
In addition to the banning of military calibers, there is a plethora of dangerous rounds which are too high powered for sporting use. This includes the highest calibers of pistol and rifle ammunition (of note are the monster calibers for rifles and pistols, like the .50 caliber Desert Eagle Bullet). We should not forget the lessons learned with the insidious Black Talon Ammo. Hollow points, Glaser killing rounds and other types of ammunition designed specifically for maiming should be prohibited.

21. A NATIONAL LICENSE FOR AMMUNITION
This is an idea whose time has come. We should look at a Federal License for purchasing of ammunition of all kinds. A special form should be forwarded to a new federal office to track those who are purchasing too much ammunition. Remember that a gun is useless without ammunition.

22. BANNING OR STRICT LICENSING OF ALL RELOADING COMPONENTS
Ammunition regulation laws can be regularly bypassed by home loaders, creating an underground cottage industry of ammo manufacture. Possession or purchase of reloading equipment and machines should be restricted and those who wish to use specially loaded ammunition can go to a federally licensed reloader.

23. NATIONAL REGISTRATION OF AMMUNITION OR AMMO BUYERS
Fees collected from the national licenses should go toward a nationwide database of ammo buyers with a possible background check to eliminate the purchase of dangerous ammo by felons or mental patients.

24. REQUIREMENT OF SPECIAL STORAGE SAFE FOR AMMUNITION AND LICENSING
Like the storage safe for guns, there should be a national requirement for special safes to store ammo. These safes should be tamperproof and fireproof and be registered themselves so that on the spot inspections can be held. Again, the costs for these inspections can be absorbed by the license fees.

GUN RANGES:

25. RESTRICTING GUN RANGES TO COUNTIES WITH POPULATIONS LESS THAN 200,000
The obvious threat to public safety of shooting ranges and stray bullets has been lost on many states and counties. We can initiate a federal mandate or incentives to get states to prohibit any kind of shooting range within a county with a population of more than 200,000.

26. SPECIAL LICENSING OF RANGES
Those ranges which conform to the previous requirement should get special licensing above and beyond that which is required now. Additionally each existing or new shooting range must get in writing the permission of all property owners within a radius of seven miles.

27. SPECIAL RANGE TAX TO VISITORS
Additional revenue can be a surtax on ranges, requiring the collection of a minimum of $85 per visit per person. This can be in addition to required membership fees, upon which the state and local governments get a sizable portion, to help defray the immense cost of gun violence.

28. WAITING PERIOD FOR RENTALS ON PISTOL RANGES
It has been suggested in the past that felons can acquire pistols and other automatic weapons without a background check by renting a gun on a target range. Deranged individuals are basically being given a license to practice hunting humans at these so called "sporting ranges." We think that a national waiting period for gun rentals is yet another idea whose time has come.

ACTIVITIES WHICH PROMOTE GUN VIOLENCE:

29. BANNING GUN SHOWS
Illegal transfers and the sales of assault weapons and submachine guns is a common event at these so called gun shows. A huge dent can be made in the illegal trafficking of weapons by banning these shows altogether.

30. BANNING OF MILITARY REENACTMENTS
The questionable "historical" value of these events has escaped the public scrutiny for too long. Many of these so called historical events are mere excuses for gun nuts to blast the countryside with automatic weapons. What is to keep them from loading live bullets and having those stray bullets kill innocent children? What lives in the future will be lost due to this paramilitary training going on right under our noses? We propose the prohibition of survivalist/paramilitary, World War I and World War II and Civil War Reenactments on federal land, and hope to encourage the states to prohibit them from state and county lands as well.

31. MAKING UNLAWFUL THE ASSEMBLY OF MORE THAN FOUR ARMED INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOT PEACE OFFICERS OR MILITARY
Since most hunting parties consist of four, we recognize the need to eliminate the currently legal assembly of shooters for paramilitary training on private lands. This is just one good suggestion for our elimination of the "gun culture" from the mainstream.

32. BEGIN TO CURB HUNTING ON ALL PUBLIC LANDS
Blood sports are an anathema to a civilized society, however, it has been a political reality that the hunters and their ilk have too strong of a stranglehold on Congress. We feel that the impending defeat of high tech assault "killing machines" will open the door to restrictions. With the diminishing number of hunters, we feel that perhaps in five years we can open up much more of our country to campers and hikers, and eliminate the threat to families and camping, by looking at much more restrictions as to what parcels of land will allow hunting. This will not infringe on sportsman's' rights to hunt on private land.

33. MAKING GUN OWNERS RECORDS AND PHOTOS MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD
We would have to assemble a legal team in order to investigate the balance of the right to privacy and the right to safeguard public. We fully endorse the photographing and fingerprinting of all gun owners, however, the records are usually relegated to law enforcement only. We think that it would be a good idea to make these records public, so that the communities can have the knowledge of who poses a danger to their community before disaster strikes. We realize that this proposal would probably be controversial, thus a long public affairs campaign would have to be initiated in order to build public support and ease the transition of such an idea. We feel that this idea has merit, and can be justified via the past publication of the names of water wasters during the drought, customers for prostitution, and deadbeat parents who are delinquent on child support.

34. RANDOM POLICE CHECKS FOR WEAPONS (LIKE SOBRIETY CHECKPOINTS)
This idea was floated before in California in 1989, where some thought it would be a great deterrent to gang-related crimes for police to do sweeps for gang weapons. Right now this idea may have some resistance; however, the political climate can become right to initiate these random vehicle stop and checks at all levels and in all types of neighborhoods. If we continue to mainstream the pressure we can make this a reality.

THE NEXT FIFTEEN YEARS:

With all that is going on, who knows what is possible in the next few years? With murders in the streets, the public fed up, and the once mighty thugs of the Gun Lobby whimpering in impotence we have an opportunity to change the face of America for the better! Previously we thought that it would take at least a century to eliminate dangerous weapons and guns from the public hands, but now with allies in the White House and Congress, we can accelerate this trend, and make the barbaric NRA extinct!!! Here are some ideas to consider for the long term:

BANNING OF MILITARY ACCOUTREMENTS

Essential to the Neanderthal gun culture are the typical military clothing, camouflage, pouches, boots and other combat gear. They euphemistically refer to this as "militaria." Elimination of the future sale of these items will cripple the culture of violence well into the 21st century.

STRICTER GUIDELINES FOR VIOLENCE IN TELEVISION AND THE MOVIES

We should look at the possibility of victims of violence by copying an act on television and the movie or video screen, suing the makers of such shows for compensation to their suffering. If the industry cannot regulate itself, we may have to eventually look at an independent branch of government to determine which scenes cause more harm than good to the public and regulate the numbers of violent acts portrayed.

THE TOTAL ELIMINATION OF ARMS FROM SOCIETY

We cannot survive into the 21st century unless we remember the need to expand our wave to new thinking to the total disarmament of America. With much of the public we can become more like Great Britain, where we can also eliminate the need for much of our police to be armed. This would take a long time; however, a concerted public relations campaign can pressure local law enforcement to give up their arms, when the time comes. Weapons would be available to special units like SWAT or the military.

CONTROL OF DANGEROUS LITERATURE (BOMB MAKING,MACHINE GUN CONVERSIONS, ETC.)

Too much irresponsible material is purportedly covered by the First Amendment, however, the time will come when our nation has to agree that some literature does not belong in a safe society, like instruction manuals on how to kill, or how to make homemade explosives or nuclear bombs. We must realize that there can be such a thing as too much freedom where such literature poses a serious threat to the public safety.

1994 SOUNDS THE DEATH KNELL FOR THE BULLY TACTICS OF THE NRA AND THE CULTURE OF VIOLENCE IN AMERICA!!

We are pressing on all fronts and much of this can become reality sooner than we expect. With the loss of power and clout of the NRA and their various smaller crony organizations crumbling to dust, we eliminate a 200-year-old license to murder into history, and enter the 21st century a safer place for our children and children's children.
 


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Attachment 1:

(Confidential Information for use by Lobbyists or Senior Officers ONLY!)

I. Proposed License Fees - 1994-1995 Gun Control Proposals

These listings and the documentation used to calculate these suggested fee schedules will be made available to federal law enforcement authorities and U.S. Department of the Treasury for review, when the time is right. Additional material will be made available to key politicians when proposing any fee-related legislation. These suggestions will be instrumental in determining the nature of future gun control legislation and proposals.

A) Handgun License Fees:
Year 1 to 2: $50-$75 annually.
Year 3 to 4: $150-$250 annually.
Year 5 to 8: $550-$625 annually.

B) Penalties for noncompliance:
(a) Failure to acquire license –– $1,000/6 months jail, revocation of ability to own
(b) Failure to maintain license –– $5,000/12 months jail, revocation of ability to own
(c) Failure to turn over guns for destruction after lapse of license ––$15,000/18 months jail, revocation of ability to own.

Failure to renew license or notify issuing authority of change of status would be considered a felony. All firearms owned would be then considered contraband, and confiscated. State or local authorities would be prohibited from retaining or reselling any confiscated firearms. Record of destruction to be issued to federal government not later than 60 days after confiscation.

C) Rifle-Shotgun License:
Program begins at $30 or at cost to maintain federal records on ownership and registration. Fee: $30-$148 annually.

D) State Licensing:
The Department of Justice for each state will initiate programs at state level, with fees equivalent to federal.
Fee: $74-$150 annually.

E) Local Licensing:
The cost of annual license to reflect the cost of records-maintenance and enforcement.
Fee: $48-$113 annually.

F) Arsenal License: (20 guns or 1,000 rounds ammo).
Fee: $300-$1,000 annually.

G) Penalty for Noncompliance of Arsenal Licensing Law:
$5,000/8 months jail, confiscation of all firearms-related property, revocation of ability to own firearms. (Disposition to be determined by Department of Justice and the state/federal legislatures.)

H) Safe License:
Fee: $228-$392 annually (based on calculations of set up of computerized records system, enforcement, registration processing).

I) Ammunition Registration & License:
Fee: $55-$117 for license to buy ammunition (based on calculations of set up of computerized records-keeping system, enforcement and registration processing).

J) Federal license for Reloading (or possession of reloading equipment) .
Fee: $130-$175 annually.

K) Ammunition Safe License.
Fee: $55-$75 annually.

L) Range License (new federal license on target, outdoor/indoor ranges).
Fee: $12,100-$15,500 annually.

M) Range Tax (imposed on Federally licensed gun ranges).
Fee: $85-$100 per person, per visit.

N) Inspection License: (verifying records of guns and storage) To defray cost of inspection and firearms safes in business or private homes.
Fee: $588-$678 annually.

II. Suggestions To Be Made Immediately Available to Key Politicians And Secretary of U.S. Treasury

A) Increase Dealers License (Federal Firearms License 01 and 02) to $600-$750 annually.

B) Increase Title 1 Manufacturing License to $6,200-$9,400 annually.

C) Increase Title 2 Manufacturing License to $13,405-$18,210 annually.

III. Estimate Of Fiscal Impact Of Licensing On Firearms Ownership
 

Worst Case
Best Case

Federal Handgun License:
$50
$625

Fed. Rifle & Shotgun License:
$30
$148

Local Gun License Fee:
$48
$113

State Gun License Fee:
$74
$150

Arsenal License Fee:
$300
$1,000

Safe License Fee:
$228
$392

Ammunition License Fee:
$55
$117

Reloading License Fee:
$130
$175

Ammo Safe License Fee:
$55
$75

Ammo Inspection Fee:
$588
$678

Total Annual Cost:
$1,558
$3,473


This cost is not unreasonable, since it would offset considerably the estimated $60 billion dollars in medical and social costs related to gun violence.

IV. Reduction Of Gun Owner Population And Potential Yearly Revenue

The federal government estimates 65-75 million Americans own guns. These fees and the licensing requirements would allow us to take guns out of the hands of an estimate 30 million unsuitable or ineligible individuals. Fees for the remaining would reduce the number to about 14 million. Estimated revenue would constitute a minimum of $21.8 trillion dollars (worst case) to an estimated $48.6 trillion (best case) annually. Our eventual goal is to reduce the number of licensees to zero. The revenue itself can be utilized to achieve this goal.

V. Possible Uses for the Revenue

(A) Institute mandatory national, comprehensive educational campaign in schools (K-12) to deglamorize guns and gun ownership and tell the truth about the Second Amendment.

(B) A well-funded, concerted campaign to eliminate the Second Amendment via constitutional amendment.

(C) Provide revenue source for enforcement of new laws.

(D) Provide offsetting monetary fund for medical and legal services to victims of gun violence.

(E) Establish nationwide system of toll-free numbers for reporting violators of new gun restrictions and non-licensees, a sum set aside for cash rewards for tips resulting in conviction.

Additional Revenue sources listed:

Range Licenses: $12,100 annually.
Range Tax: $85 per person, per visit.
Gun Dealer License: $600 annually.
Title 1 gun Mfg License: $6,000 annually.
Title 2 Gun Mfg License: $13,400 annually.

Revenue calculations concerning the above fees will depend on how the numbers of gun ranges, gun range visitors, gun dealers and gun manufacturers are affected by increased fees. It is not unreasonable to predict a 40% drop by the end of the first year, another 35% drop by the year after that.

VI. Legal action and possible new revenue sources

Pending issues to be given at the appropriate time to the LCAV office for investigation as to feasibility, implementation and public reaction. At no time should these suggestions be made public before we can ascertain the current public reaction and provide the results of these studies to the LCAV attorneys.

These are some ideas which are ahead of their time and would only be feasible through a concerted P.R. campaign over time. A P.R. campaign includes press releases, press conferences, direct lobbying and constant pressure via the national media. We must change the way America thinks in regard to guns and gun owners in order to achieve a safe society for our children in the upcoming century. We realize that one cannot implement every good idea overnight, however, the following proposals have been forwarded for investigation as to possible enaction within the next few years. A continued P.R. campaign with the general public as well as the legal and judicial community, will enable us to finally get groundbreaking rulings which can change the violent face of the American landscape for years to come.

Legal Point 1:
Making possible the suing of owners of guns, as a group, for monetary compensation for victims of gun violence:

Once gun owners in America have been identified through a verifiable source, i.e., the pending national computer registry, it would be possible to seek further compensation for victims of gun violence through legal means. As a group, gun nuts would constitute an identifiable entity for class-action suits and other legal actions for compensation to victims of gun violence.

Legal Point 2:
Suing Gun Organizations under the RICO (Racketeer Influenced, Corrupt Organization) statute:

It would be expected that gun groups and lobbying groups such as the NRA would encourage noncompliance. Thus nationally recognized groups will be technically "organizing to break the law." Once this can be proven, these groups will be vulnerable to lawsuits based on the RICO statute and drained of the financial resources through repeated legal action.

Legal Point 3:
Suing the makers of toy-replica guns, toy weapons and violent entertainment:

One of the purveyors of violence to society, companies which profit from violence would eventually be identified and made legally responsible for the violent acts inspired by their products. A study would have to be created to link these companies to those actions taken as a result of their products. Threat of legal action would convince many manufacturers and distributors that other nonviolence-related recreational materials and toys, would make them fiscally accountable for the cost to society incurred as a result of their merchandise. Items could include: violent video games, television shows, movies, videotapes, water guns, super soakers, electronic noise guns, replica guns, toy weapons like swords, batons, martial arts items.

Tort law as we know it may not have to undergo a change in order to facilitate these actions. As many people know, it is not necessary to actually win in order to affect change, since the constant threat of legal action will induce change in the way people do business. People all know that the real fiscal effect of repeated legal actions can bankrupt a peddler of violence just as well as winning a large settlement.

Any additional ideas or proposals should be directed to our Washington D.C. office for collation, investigation and discussion.

I hate to wish harm on anybody, but wouldn't it be funny if one of these assholes was beaten w/ say, a cane?  Or a baseball bat?  Or a frying pan?  Or a broom/vacuum?  Just to make the point that I can fuck up your day w/ any one of about 10,000,000 inanimate objects.

Cold dead hands.

I bet....

haha this is fucking good








 

BTW, I seem to remember (and the dates are in the text) that this was their orgasm-porn immediately after Clinton took over and got the AWB passed. Didn't Schumer refer to this as "let me show you the rest of the camel"?

These fucknuts want to make "combat" boots illegal

WOW!!!!!   Those fuckheads are even crazier than I thought!!  

Brady Campaign:



VPC:


Total NRA in 2004:Total income in 2004 was $205,402,491 and had expenses of $206,886,970. Total NRA assets at the end of 2004 were $222,841,128.
NRA Foundation (ONLY the foundation part)


So, bitches...  How did that shit work out for you?  

Fun to present this whenever a liberal denies the validity of the"slippery slope" argument.

That's just someone else's wet-dream.

None of it is going to happen, ever.

I'm sure Tyrone the crack dealer will abide by all those laws..

Loons

That all sounds nice and wonderful in the loony tune land they inhabit......... but...... just who the fuck is going to enforce it?  Cooler heads will prevail and these asinine ideas will never be voted into law.  I guess the liberal moon bats missed the message this past November.  No problem, they will get the next wake up call in '12.

Those fuckers wish they were relevant.


Molon labe, cold dead hands, etc.



ETA: reading this list again just makes me realize how much their ideas reek of fascism and the police state.

Truly an evil mind that wish to do that much to destroy the freedom that has made America great. Their very existence is a threat to every upstanding citizen of this nation.

I like the $100 tax per range visit the best, I think.

Because it's entirely counterproductive to what their stated intentions are and only serves to showcase their intention to use government as a tool for waging economic war on fellow citizens they happen to dislike for personal reasons.


Ask yourself - if it cost you $100 just to go to the range...  would you go to the range or just shoot "somewhere else?"

Just remember. Activism is a business, often a very lucrative one. Money comes in while you're "fighting the good fight". If you win, you're out of a job.

Reading that just made my head hurt.  They just want to ban everything!  The funny thing they always forget is the 94 ban.  After that everyone wanted one and after it expired the black rifle became a popular item to own.  When someone I know gets a rifle it is never a hunting rifle it's only those "evil black rifles".  

Obama sold more firearms/ammo then any movie, advertisement or reenactment group.

I would actually laugh if the Brady's had a home invasion by sword wielding ghetto goblins.

Well, that range fee and the various licenses would really add up:

The cost for the bureaucracy to administer and enforce their plan would be far more than the revenue raised!

Source?

Good luck with that garbage.

Handguns and "military-style" weapons are more popular than ever. Ask grandma about her AK.

Militaria? They seriously think combat boots and pouches cause crime? There are more tactical gear companies than ever before. This has been good for our soldiers, and good for our civilian shooting world. Would owning a sewing machine be constructive possession?

Bunch of idiots.

Phase 1: Rent a half dozen vans

 

this was like early 90's crap

Is this even authentic? I hope not.

why 6 rounds? Why not 5? Why not 10? Why not 11?



Most of the ideas presented are based on assumptions or incorrect biases and don't seem to be based in facts of any sort.



A lot of projection going on in some of those goals.

these people don't care about crime. These are the type of people who want you defensless so they can take you away in the night when you speak out against the government as government builds their equal poverty utopia.  Even if it takes millions of innocent dead these are the type of people who will justify it to build their utopia.

I think its pretty common knowledge that that is the goal of the brady bunch. They have not made it a secret after all.

While I have no doubt that banners share some of the goals outlined in this list, I don't know if this paper is authentic or actually written by our favorite anti-gun proponents. I am sure the early 1990s were an exciting time for them but I don't think they would completely leak their overall plan since they had to at least

get the acquiescence of a bunch of gun owners to pass a lot of their shit. They try to present their positions as moderate or common sense. If they didn't, they wouldn't get as much traction.

It is scary that someone can even think like that.

I find it funny that so many dont think that was real.

It was very real, during the period of 1992-94 there was a new gun law being proposed nearly every month and most got attention, the Clintons were very much pro socalist and pushed  a very hard line during that time frame. Back then, like today they lost the elections in 94 big time but they got some nasty shit passed.

Times were not fun under Clinton.

Do we have actual proof this this is legit?

I'm not saying I don't believe it, just that I would want to see some kind of proof that this was real in order to have a real opinion on it. (other than MOLON LABE)

"It would be expected that gun groups and lobbying groups such as the NRA would encourage noncompliance. Thus nationally recognized groups will be technically "organizing to break the law." Once this can be proven, these groups will be vulnerable to lawsuits based on the RICO statute and drained of the financial resources through repeated legal action."

They really hate free speach as well

How's this for a trade.  You can ban all clips under 6 rounds, but we'll be able to buy automatic weapons.  Good?  Ok, sign here.  Right now.

hmm. nothing on snopes.

Good memory.
Yep, that is EXACTLY what the cockbiter said back then.

That was their 5 year plan 15 years ago. We see how well that worked for them.

not that this shit would ever happen (though one should be vigilant), but if it did..........

BRING IT BIATCHES!  

But, But, But...

We need "sensible" gun laws.

what guns?

i think i've been reading that same thing for 5 years now. at the end of the day, we are all quite literally living through a second amendment renaissance. if anything we are continuing to see the expansion of our rights while these anti groups whither. i'm not totally dismissing them, but they just don't have the membership, funding, congressional representation, or public support they had through the 80's and 90's.

the anti-gunners may be making a LOT of noise right now, but that's only because they know they can't pass anything.

I think if their ever were to be a 'civil' war it would be over gun rights. When they came to take your guns would you just let them? When they came to take my guns would you let them knowing you are next?

Several prominent congress critters openly talked about door to door confiscation in those days. AFAIK, HCI never denied this was theirs....  Now HCI was folded into the brandies, and there official stance is not so crazy.

Proof?

I have asked myself this about a thousand times, I don't know the answer.

It would come down to:  Stand your ground, die in the firefight, potentially kill a member of the US Military.

Or give up the goods, and be left powerless, and admit that the USA as a social experiment has utterly failed.

I would have a real problem taking the life of a member of our armed forces, I don't know if I could do that.

I'm just not at all sure what I would do, but if the choice is life without guns, or die with your guns, I would probably choose to live, and then get the hell out of this country.

They don't care about Tyrone the crack dealer. They know exactly who they're targeting...law abiding citizens. They want control.



 

There's always the Czech Republic.