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Posted: 12/22/2022 1:06:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: WTF?? I was banned from the handgun forum like two years ago with no warnings or anything. Guess I hurt someone’s feelings. 🤷🏻♂️ |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 1:16:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JBecker_72]
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: I was banned from the handgun forum like two years ago with no warnings or anything. Guess I hurt someone's feelings. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 1:18:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: I was banned from the handgun forum like two years ago with no warnings or anything. Guess I hurt someone’s feelings. 🤷🏻♂️ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By sierra-def: WTF?? I was banned from the handgun forum like two years ago with no warnings or anything. Guess I hurt someone’s feelings. 🤷🏻♂️  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 1:20:21 AM EDT
[#4]
GD is the same men from 100 plus years ago that were bitching about internal combustion engines and saying they’d never replace their quarter horse and wagon.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 1:46:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PabloMcGlock]
[#5]
I carry both with only irons and with irons and RDS. Definitely a time on target advantage with RDS and as I continue to train it will get even better. Embrace the technology it will make you a better shooter once you get past the learning curve.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 1:53:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BMSMB]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Impressive as hell, all kidding aside! Still not enough ROI from where I sit, so you guys party on..... Thats because youre probably a gun guy and not a shooter. Feel free to post your USPSA member number to prove me wrong. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 1:57:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: I was banned from the handgun forum like two years ago with no warnings or anything. Guess I hurt someone’s feelings. 🤷🏻♂️ For real? Like one of what, maybe 5 GMs that actively use the site... |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:07:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Iron sights require no backup. And I like less shit to break on something I trust my life with on the daily. But that's just me. I’ve banged up my pistol and smashed the irons to the point the rear sight knocked off the pistol and they were deformed and unusable. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:10:57 AM EDT
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Show me a pistol with a RDS that’s won 2 world wars.
 That’s what I thought. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:14:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Show me a pistol with a RDS that’s won 2 world wars. https://cdn.rockislandauction.com/dev_cdn/56/1823.jpg That’s what I thought. But did it win Vietnam? |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:16:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Show me a pistol with a RDS that’s won 2 world wars. https://cdn.rockislandauction.com/dev_cdn/56/1823.jpg That’s what I thought. Ummm.... https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=1911+with+red+dot |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:24:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: But did it win Vietnam? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By Mblades: Show me a pistol with a RDS that’s won 2 world wars. https://cdn.rockislandauction.com/dev_cdn/56/1823.jpg That’s what I thought. But did it win Vietnam? Charlie didn’t have no red dot either. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:32:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Charlie didn’t have no red dot either. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By Mblades: Show me a pistol with a RDS that’s won 2 world wars. https://cdn.rockislandauction.com/dev_cdn/56/1823.jpg That’s what I thought. But did it win Vietnam? Charlie didn’t have no red dot either.  Whatcha talk'n bout? |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:32:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: My favorite thing about RDS on pistol is actually not speed or accuracy, its the improved ability to shoot things on the move. Same. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:34:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Are they deployed by the .MIL on pistols yet? Then the jury is still out. 
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:44:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 53x11: It’s all pretty silly. If you can’t draw and shoot c zone steel from concealment sub 1.5 second at 10 yards and in and get hits 99% of the time you’re not training enough. If you did do that you’d know it has less to do with optics and more to do with grip and target focus anyway and irons vs red dot doesn’t really matter. I prefer the dot because it allows me to be faster and more precise past 10 yards- specifically making my pistol an effective fighting tool out to 50 yards easily. But hey, what ever. Do what you like. If I'm training for defensive use, should I be satisfied with c zone hits, or should I strive for upper a zone hits? |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 3:46:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: I only have 3 red and 1 green. Red is better than green. I still prefer irons though. I personally prefer red dot sights over green dot sights as well. That being said, I prefer green lasers over red lasers (yes, I'm one of those godless heathens that likes lasers). |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:39:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: When your whiz bang dot fails, so will you. It’s a pistol for gods sake. I’ll bet the vast majority of guys put a dot on their pistol because they thought it was cool and did minimal, if any, training with it. Bet they are way slower than with irons. Can’t find the dot. And that’s the kicker. I practice like a mother and I’m ok but I worry that if I have to draw, under stress, cold with no warm ups, I might not find that dot. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:41:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTyrannyTractor: Lol enjoy shooting irons at night or under nods Yeah, because that comprises 99% of guys time spent shooting. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:41:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJ47: In on one! But yea they’re awesome. Faster and help with accuracy at further ranges. With most guys? No. Definitely not faster. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:44:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BabaYaga22: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/417747/9E4145A6-6CC1-465D-986F-80918E984C4B_jpe-2643965.JPG The future is here to stay, I get fist sized groups with practice ammo at 15 yards and all pie plate hits at 25 yards. Just took a class with the G19 and I was faster and more accurate then everyone without a red dot in the class. lol you actually think it was due to the dot?! You should conduct more….scientific…..studies! Lololo |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:45:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redbirdxx: Fire that gun once and 90% of that shit is gone. Not the mud stuck on the emitter or the smear on the glass. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:49:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BabaYaga22: Buy Trijicon RMR/RMRCC or Aimpoint and don’t have that problem You mean Holosun. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:53:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PraesidiumFabrica: This past week I wore my g17 with RMR in a Trex arms ragnarok (which is a holster where the optic is completely exposed to the elements) all day every day. I cut down trees, dug ditches with shovels and pickaxes, and did some shooting in mist and rain all with the gun on my belt. Both days after the ditch digging I was able to run my fingers through my hair and dirt would fall out all over. In all of these activities with an exposed muh open emitter optic there was only a few times (4-6) where debris found it’s way into the optic. All of these times I drew the gun and the debris fell to the bottom and the dot was still able to be acquired, a simple blow and it went out. With the mist and rain the dot was still visible 100% of the time and with both eyes open presented no issue. But a simple wipe with my finger would remove the large droplets. The muh open emitter meme is overstated. For a conceal carry gun where the optic is protected by clothing or for a gun where the optic is shrouded… I don’t think it really matters. But if you’re worried get a Aimpoint Acro or something I’m sure the bad guy will give you a second to clean your glass. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:57:25 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Ive seen significantly more iron sights fail on pistols than dots. Like several dozen irons to 1 dot. (A T-1) Bullshit. Iron sights fail more than dots. Ok buddy. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 4:58:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: Yes. High speed dudes have been using them for years. Next step is universal adoption. Next question? And they practice with them way more than normal ccw’ers. Which is needed to find that dot. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 5:26:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PabloMcGlock]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AIWB: I’ll bet the vast majority of guys put a dot on their pistol because they thought it was cool and did minimal, if any, training with it. Bet they are way slower than with irons. Can’t find the dot. And that’s the kicker. I practice like a mother and I’m ok but I worry that if I have to draw, under stress, cold with no warm ups, I might not find that dot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AIWB: Originally Posted By DVCER: When your whiz bang dot fails, so will you. It’s a pistol for gods sake. I’ll bet the vast majority of guys put a dot on their pistol because they thought it was cool and did minimal, if any, training with it. Bet they are way slower than with irons. Can’t find the dot. And that’s the kicker. I practice like a mother and I’m ok but I worry that if I have to draw, under stress, cold with no warm ups, I might not find that dot. Then you just need more practice behind the dot. Try drawing and dry firing continuously as well as live fire drilling under induced stress you shouldn’t be hunting for the dot. Like any other piece of equipment you’re proficient on It needs to become muscle memory. I bought RMR’s several years ago which sat in my safe as I hated them until I decided to put in the repetitions and training needed to become proficient with them. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 5:33:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AIWB: Bullshit. Iron sights fail more than dots. Ok buddy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AIWB: Originally Posted By RustedAce: Ive seen significantly more iron sights fail on pistols than dots. Like several dozen irons to 1 dot. (A T-1) Bullshit. Iron sights fail more than dots. Ok buddy. LMAO. You obviously have know idea who you’re calling bullshit on. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 6:01:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/22/2022 6:27:27 AM EDT
[#30]
epic fad
most cops won't have them for years most cops never fire a round toys for paper punchers |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 6:47:01 AM EDT
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it's not about effectiveness, which in my opinion red dots are more effective. it's not about reliability, red dots are just as reliable. the main concern is if you needed a red dot, why would you reach for a pistol? if you were to use nods or thermals, why would pistol be your go to? that's the red dot solution looking for a problem. the whole point of a hand gun is carry. and the whole point of carry is smaller lighter faster. that's why they're single stack, a full mag is too much weight and volume. same with barrel and slide. red dot just makes no sense.
the reality is, usa has been getting safer for many years. the idea of using a carry gun literally decreases every year (except this last one). so adding a drum mag, silencer, red dot, all fail to follow the intended use. it's not designed for room clearing, 3 gun or distance shooting. the red dot superiority at a distance is exactly its problem: at distance, you should be getting out of dodge or at the very least, going to a rifle. but alas this is a gun forum. people put a 3-20x on a shotgun and then cut the stock off so they can't reliably use the scope nor the shotgun, all while screaming 'gitrdun' at the paper zombies. to each their own. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 7:40:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RattleCanAR]
[#32]
Seeing irons clearly as you age is a real problem. Reading glasses, even top bifocals are impractical. All my pistols are going RD over the next year.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 7:56:41 AM EDT
[#33]
I don't get it. If you can't see your irons your shit is set up wrong. I'm not a pistol guy at all and its super easy to use. Makes longer shots much easier.
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Posted: 12/22/2022 7:57:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LurkerII]
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Red Dots on Pistols:
   
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Posted: 12/22/2022 7:59:50 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LurkerII: Red Dots on Pistols: LPVOs on pistols are the future. Rds are a fad 
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Posted: 12/22/2022 8:05:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AIWB: Yeah, because that comprises 99% of guys time spent shooting. Probably not, the guys who are proclaiming irons are “better” are poors and probably don’t have nods. When you actually train with a pistol you realize a dot makes it so much faster in every aspect |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 8:10:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTyrannyTractor: Probably not, the guys who are proclaiming irons are “better” are poors and probably don’t have nods. When you actually train with a pistol you realize a dot makes it so much faster in every aspect You are not my supervisor. I do not have to like what you like. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 8:27:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seven-Shooter: I plan on mine being around a while: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129976/233E61AA-29FB-4FB1-870C-2CEDD09D287F-1069519.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129976/1AE33E1B-8D66-4E04-A8A6-B23AD0BC1F2D-1806403.jpg I would wager that Ruger .22 with a red dot will tear one ragged hole….I use something similar for a lot of range work |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 8:45:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Glck1911]
[#39]
Haven't read every post, but let me make an educated guess on how this thread is going.
Anti-Dot'ers post ridiculous and untrue arguments against red dots. Dot'ers post counter argument Anti-Dot'ers get their depends in a wad and autistic screech about how they shouldn't be forced to change. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 8:46:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grey50beast: We could party... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/227817/1000000428_jpg-2644120.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grey50beast: Originally Posted By Badlatitude: Non china closed emitter or get fucked. We could party... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/227817/1000000428_jpg-2644120.JPG This guy f*cks. Plot twist, that’s a CZ, so the womenfolk are safe. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 8:48:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: Haven't read every post, but let me make an educated guess on how this thread is going. Anti-Dot'ers post ridiculous and untrue arguments against red dots. Dot'ers post counter argument Anti-Dot'ers get their depends in a wad and autistic screech about how they shouldn't be forced to change. Mostly just steps 1&2 for now, but I hoping for more progress. Home today and could use the entertainment. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 8:52:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rod727: I would wager that Ruger .22 with a red dot will tear one ragged hole….I use something similar for a lot of range work Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rod727: Originally Posted By Seven-Shooter: I plan on mine being around a while: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129976/233E61AA-29FB-4FB1-870C-2CEDD09D287F-1069519.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129976/1AE33E1B-8D66-4E04-A8A6-B23AD0BC1F2D-1806403.jpg I would wager that Ruger .22 with a red dot will tear one ragged hole….I use something similar for a lot of range work Mine will. I often use it to bust clays on the 100 yard berm.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 8:52:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RattleCanAR]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grey50beast: We could party... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/227817/1000000428_jpg-2644120.JPG Which sight is that? I am going RD on my Sig 320 and shopping around. Getting new slide etc so I am flexible on the cut. My current slide can’t be cut. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 8:54:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FourLoko: epic fad most cops won't have them for years most cops never fire a round toys for paper punchers Are you doing some hardcore pistol stuff? |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:05:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Which sight is that? I am going RD on my Sig 320 and shopping around. Getting new slide etc so I am flexible on the cut. My current slide can’t be cut. steiner mps, I'm waiting on mine currently to show up so I can finish prototyping acro plates for arex pistols and make some at work. They're suppose to a competitor to the acro p2 (which is unobtanium right now) with a bigger sight picture, same level clarity glass, and slightly worse battery life. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:09:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8w7]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Butternut: Why do some folks get so angry over this? Just shoot pistols like you prefer to shoot em. Are we not adults? It's not middle school anymore, where you have to be concerned about whether folks in the cafeteria or gym class will think you are cool. Because the same 6 guys cannot help themselves. They fight tooth and nail like Jehovah’s Witnesses or cult members when anyone dares to say that dots aren’t for them. That’s why some have been banned from the handgun forum. It’s utterly ridiculous. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:24:18 AM EDT
[#47]
I mean, you do you, but I'm liking them.
No carry guns, yet, but that's next. 
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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:38:14 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 8w7: Because the same 6 guys cannot help themselves. They fight tooth and nail like Jehovah’s Witnesses or cult members when anyone dares to say that dots aren’t for them. That’s why some have been banned from the handgun forum. It’s utterly ridiculous. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 8w7: Originally Posted By Butternut: Why do some folks get so angry over this? Just shoot pistols like you prefer to shoot em. Are we not adults? It's not middle school anymore, where you have to be concerned about whether folks in the cafeteria or gym class will think you are cool. Because the same 6 guys cannot help themselves. They fight tooth and nail like Jehovah’s Witnesses or cult members when anyone dares to say that dots aren’t for them. That’s why some have been banned from the handgun forum. It’s utterly ridiculous. Ehhhh it’s not really like that though… the resistance is usually backed by varying doses of “I don’t need none of that newfangled trash… if you need that much help hittin’ the tergit maybe let yer husband show you how to use real sights…” For sure it’s great to train with and use both. Beneficial. But some of us who had the same problem but have figured it out are trying to help others figure it out with some shortcuts … and are met with resistance. It doesn’t help that this thread is posted so often so there is some weariness associated. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:41:29 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Iron sights require no backup. And I like less shit to break on something I trust my life with on the daily. But that's just me. 
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Posted: 12/22/2022 9:49:25 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: When your whiz bang dot fails, so will you. It’s a pistol for gods sake. My whiz bang dot has backup irons. I can’t wait for the day, in a few years, when we laugh at the absurdity of these threads, then go out and shoot our pistols equipped with RDS. |
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