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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 11:30:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BladedRonin: How about we stop subsidizing single parent households, and start depending on personal responsibility ? This. Too many women have been using their lady parts like an ATM at taxpayers expense for too long. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 11:31:14 PM EDT
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Oil up the jaws of the war machine and feed it with our babies
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USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 11:36:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DJLTX]
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We adopted our son from Guatemala. Why? We could afford the cost, and go through the hoops. What we could not accept, was the fact that the birth mother still had the right to have contact with the child after adoption.
It was like if we adopted the child, we were getting the birth mother as well.. Hell no!!!!! |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 11:47:28 PM EDT
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Pray for the trumpet to sound and things to be made new.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:01:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Policy changes that encourage parents to keep their kids. Such as Child tax credits Childcare tax deductions No taxes on formula, diapers, pumping supplies One year of paternity/maternity leave. Newborns covered by mothers health insurance for one year rather than existing 30-days. It’s expensive but if you really want to reduce the number of abortions start there. How about if the parents stay together? Stop promoting single motherhood and 90% of this Tom Fuckery goes away. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:09:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MohaveGreen]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: How many illegal immigrants came here last year? How many legal immigrants? What did we do with all those babies before 1960? Why don't we finally approve the male birth control pill? (it's existed for 30 years but FDA won't approve it for fear of STD spread as everyone would stop using condoms). What will Planned Parenthood do without a fresh stream of baby flesh to sell to the medical industry.... As already stated. You force the parent to raise the kid or go to jail. Why is it everyone is so focused on killing those who MAY become a burden.... But we can't kill those who actually ARE burdens. I'll go down the list. 1. I don't know how many illegal immigrants came here last year. I do know none of them should have entered this country. 2. Again I don't t know. I do know that along with the people whom worked hard and did everything correctly are only one part of "legal immigrants", and if they assimilate I applaud them. It's well known that some Republican lawmakers have drafted bills to import immigrants on work visas, so the corruption is bi-partisan. 3. Again, I don't know what we did before the 60's. I was born in 1978 and although I enjoy learning about history, this wasn't a topic I looked at much. 4. Why don't we approve it? It probably should be approved. 5. I don't agree with or support planned parenthood. 6. Fine with me. 7. Because every body thinks their opinion matters. I don't like paying for anybody beyond my family. My job in life as a man is to support my family to the best of my ability same as any other man. I don't want to support the welfare class too. Unfortunately because of the .gov I have no choice. Edit-spelling |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:12:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MohaveGreen]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax: 18? There are subsides in place for their entire lives. Children born into sound households are all taught they can be on their parents insurances until age 26. The abortion debate is political fodder, and neither party should be given anymore credence. Socialism and socialism lite I guess. Edit spelling. 2nd edit also spelling. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:22:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obo2: You could probably feed them with the federal funds sent to abortion clinics alone. Heck bust in to the federal cheese reserve, cancel funding for egyptian college tuitions... You're likely right, but our corrupt government isn't about to do anything like this at all. They wouldn't be able to steal as much money. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:24:19 AM EDT
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Grant citizenship to illegals if they adopt. Simple, easy, done.
Or just murder them all after they're born. That's what the left wants anyway. You're making at least two stupid assumptions. The first is that behavior will not change reducing the number of kids that would otherwise have been murdered. The second is that, once born, the parents won't change their minds about whether the child is unwanted. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:29:42 AM EDT
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Pretty sure women and men would figure out real quick what a condom and birth control is.
They (and I at one time) just want to rawdog everything in sight without consequence. Sex is what it is, we can't change that. Only our behavior. Abortion is murder. Bottom line and no I don't care if someone disagrees. It's a made up term just like gender fluid. Ever wonder why the lefts pet projects all involve less people being born? Destroy the family, abortion, sterilize kids, have babies born and then "have the mother make a decision". Absolutely evil. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:31:58 AM EDT
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“We?” Who is this “we?”
Last I checked, your child is your responsibility. Don’t want that responsibility? Don't sleep around. The universe doesn’t owe you sex without consequences 
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:42:36 AM EDT
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-Get pregnant and don't want it?
-Fine, the state will pay for your medical care, health, and safety for the duration of the pregnancy. -At birth the child becomes a ward of the state, you relinquish all rights to the child. -Do this three times and you are subject to forced sterilization or given the opportunity to birth more children as a state mother, all subsequent births are wards of the state. -These children are raised and educated within a closed, state system. -Children undergo regular assessments to determine natural abilities. -Children receive focused education and support to enter into career fields their assessments determine are appropriate. Promiscuity is deterred, with productive concessions granted for the benefit of the nation, declining birth rates are resolved, military recruitment numbers turned around, and abortion is a distant memory. If this sounds reasonable to you, sign up for my newsletter by jumping off the nearest tall building. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:45:05 AM EDT
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Incentivize domestic adoption first. That system is screwed so bad many people import children from elsewhere. And incentivize larger families with working parents around. Humans have done ok for a long time without easily accessible abortion I don't think it will be a problem.
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:49:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: I agree, but that's not going to make up for the surplus of unwanted children, even if there is a decrease in said unwanted children. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: Originally Posted By Rebel31: A lot more adoptions would absolutely happen if it wasn't such a huge PITA. We personally know of one family that had conception issues. They had one baby of their own and adopted a foreign child as it was way easier than adopting a US born kid. From what they told me adopting a US born child was $50k+ and takes around 2 years IF everything goes smoothly. I agree, but that's not going to make up for the surplus of unwanted children, even if there is a decrease in said unwanted children. I absolutely think it would if legal adoption was not so expensive or such a process to adopt a domestic born child. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:50:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HKocher: Since abortion seems to be the topic of the day, let me pose this question. I think most of us can agree that abortion is disgusting and abstinence or contraception is preferable, but this thread is about reality, not your personal morals. Quick googling informs me that there are 500k - 1,500k abortions a year in the US, while there are 50k - 100k adoptions in the US per year. Feel free to correct my numbers. We can also agree that the adoption process in the US needs reform, but we’re still talking about at best, a surplus of 400k unwanted babies. So what do we do with these children? Force them on the parent(s) that didn’t want them? Force them on pro-lifers? Cheap labor? Child super soldiers? Put them in prison or mental institutions where they will inevitable end up? FWIW, I’ve known many families that adopted, and in almost all of those cases, the child was serious messed up for life due to lack of love and affection in the infant stage. Several, months ago I came to the conclusion to just let it happen we don't need more libs in the country. Libs breeding libs, more social service takers. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:50:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SBR300BLK: Incentivize domestic adoption first. That system is screwed so bad many people import children from elsewhere. And incentivize larger families with working parents around. Humans have done ok for a long time without easily accessible abortion I don't think it will be a problem. How do you think we can incentivize adoption without creating a social security hustle? (I.e. adopting 10 kids for the SS checks, buying yourself steak and a new car while the kids eat government cheese and mud pies) |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:52:40 AM EDT
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The parents can take care of their kids. Same as anyone else. If they abuse them or don't feed them, its a crime.
If they really don't want them, they can give them away to the state. Bring orphanages back I guess. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:57:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: The parents can take care of their kids. Same as anyone else. If they abuse them or don't feed them, its a crime. If they really don't want them, they can give them away to the state. Bring orphanages back I guess. What to do with the 18 y/o kicked out of the barracks/orphanage on his birthday with nothing but a pair of shoes, $500, and 10 years of violent, impersonal, uncaring, childhood trauma? |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 1:45:31 AM EDT
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Abortion is murder. Put the unwanted children up for adoption. Why are there so many baby killers on GD?
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 2:20:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MohaveGreen: This right here. Are the pro-life people going to pay to feed these 500,000 or more babies until they are 18? Republicans need to shut up about abortion. It's not going away no matter how much any of us want it to. If you engage in behavior any reasonable person knows could result in creating another human life you are responsible for that human life. If you can’t afford a child don’t engage in behavior that could result in a child. If you don’t want a child don’t engage in behavior that could result in a child. If you do engage in that behavior, and end up having a child you damn well better figure out a way to afford the child, and learn to like it. If not I’m perfectly fine with the government spending the money to support the child until they are 18 as long as both parents are imprisoned for life. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 2:22:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: How do you stop that? I want to raw dog a girl, how do you stop me? And does the govt have a right to do so The government doesn’t have a right to stop you. The government should hold you accountable if you have a child though. If you can’t, or don’t want to support the child you can go to prison. You made the decision to raw dog a girl, and the both of are responsible for what happened. I know personal responsibility is so passé though. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 2:24:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runcible: Baby - The Other Other White Meat. Better than eating the bugs! |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 2:25:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: If you engage in behavior any reasonable person knows could result in creating another human life you are responsible for that human life. If you can’t afford a child don’t engage in behavior that could result in a child. If you don’t want a child don’t engage in behavior that could result in a child. If you do engage in that behavior, and end up having a child you damn well better figure out a way to afford the child, and learn to like it. If not I’m perfectly fine with the government spending the money to support the child until they are 18 as long as both parents are imprisoned for life. Paying to raise and educate a child for 18 years, and paying to feed and house its two parents for 30-50 years each, does not strike me as a fiscally conservative position. Would probably be cheaper to leave the kid with mom and cut her a check for formula... And here we are. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 2:25:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: And do what with the unwanted child? You see the crazy thing is when you the consequences are harsh enough you don’t have to answer that question because it is moot. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 2:26:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sawgunner73: We could stop having unwanted children? 
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Posted: 4/10/2024 2:28:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: You see the crazy thing is when you the consequences are harsh enough you don’t have to answer that question because it is moot. Yep, that's why states that have the death penalty have zero murders. Right. Right? RIGHT??! |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 2:29:34 AM EDT
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There are no "unwanted children".
Babies are a blessing from GOD! 
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 2:38:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PainefulCommonSense: Paying to raise and educate a child for 18 years, and paying to feed and house its two parents for 30-50 years each, does not strike me as a fiscally conservative position. Would probably be cheaper to leave the kid with mom and cut her a check for formula... And here we are. It’s not about the money it’s about “sending a message”. I think you would find the entire thing becomes moot whenever there are real consequences. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 2:41:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PainefulCommonSense: Yep, that's why states that have the death penalty have zero murders. Right. Right? RIGHT??! I’m not sure which one is the apple and which is the orange. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 3:07:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GenoGS: It’s not about the money it’s about “sending a message”. I think you would find the entire thing becomes moot whenever there are real consequences. How much money are you willing to spend on the project? I can respect that perhaps you are not a fiscal conservative. Originally Posted By GenoGS: I’m not sure which one is the apple and which is the orange. What greater criminal punishment do you advocate? Is the death penalty isn't a great enough consequence, what do you propose? |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 3:27:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: I wish they would spend our tax dollars to find out how pregnancy happens. Once our scientists figure that out, then they can figure out a way to stop them. I don’t know, they can’t even cure cancer. Well you see @Gspointer when a man and a woman love each other very much…. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 3:29:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Corran_q: Abortion is evil but killing future commies is not evil. It saves helicopter fuel. It’s green?… |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 3:30:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagoth-Ur: Well you see @Gspointer when a man and a woman love each other very much…. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagoth-Ur: Originally Posted By Gspointer: I wish they would spend our tax dollars to find out how pregnancy happens. Once our scientists figure that out, then they can figure out a way to stop them. I don’t know, they can’t even cure cancer. Well you see @Gspointer when a man and a woman love each other very much…. If babies are products of love, how could they ever be 'unwanted'? I think you meant "when a man and woman excite each other, even rather minimally but it's been a while"... |
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USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 3:38:56 AM EDT
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Maybe their parents can raise them? Buy the ticket etc this ain't rocket surgery.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 3:40:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Bossman: Only 30% of abortions are white... @AR-Bossman Source? |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 3:47:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: The problem with your premise is ignoring any rights of the unborn humans. Do they get any consideration in your world? Do they get a vote? Are they just collateral damage in the name of "freedom"? Does anyone have a right to be a burden? Or a threat? Oh they get a vote alright, in 18 years and guess how a majority of them will vote? We are in a war, a cultural war, a political war, a demographic war, and the age old war of survival . In war there are casualties, you refuse to accept this for what ever reason but it does not make reality any less real or true. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 3:48:51 AM EDT
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If it was 100% banned ; it would require another ban on free-sh*t payments...
The government (at least the federal level) should get out of free stuff in general.. You want free food to feed your army of trophies... Go to the states with lots of money like CA/ NY since they have more money than WV or MS. Single moms have multiple options like Chicago has single mom housing help, state level public housing, United Way has housing help. School lunch program can continue only if they maintain an GPA of 3.5 or above. That's a B average ; incentive to maintain good grades. Those who can't/won't maintain a B average can eat peanut butter/jelly sammich ; just be comfortable being uncomfortable. When school is out for the summer, kids who parents won't make a lunch can go to summer school and get a lunch. Same rules apply, full lunch for GPA 3.5, PBJ for those who won't. At least they are getting ahead a class or two in the summer. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 3:52:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UnequivocalLiberty: Every kid wants to be an astronaut. Start a NASA program that trains kids to do the needful. Then ship them off to space in various directions. Colonize or die. Gives them and us a chance. The astronaut meme is only made funnier when in regards to this subject. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 3:58:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PainefulCommonSense: What to do with the 18 y/o kicked out of the barracks/orphanage on his birthday with nothing but a pair of shoes, $500, and 10 years of violent, impersonal, uncaring, childhood trauma? This, never mind the feelings of insecurity, inferiority, or being molested. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 4:00:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TeacherInCA: If it was 100% banned ; it would require another ban on free-sh*t payments... The government (at least the federal level) should get out of free stuff in general.. You want free food to feed your army of trophies... Go to the states with lots of money like CA/ NY since they have more money than WV or MS. Single moms have multiple options like Chicago has single mom housing help, state level public housing, United Way has housing help. School lunch program can continue only if they maintain an GPA of 3.5 or above. That's a B average ; incentive to maintain good grades. Those who can't/won't maintain a B average can eat peanut butter/jelly sammich ; just be comfortable being uncomfortable. When school is out for the summer, kids who parents won't make a lunch can go to summer school and get a lunch. Same rules apply, full lunch for GPA 3.5, PBJ for those who won't. At least they are getting ahead a class or two in the summer. You advocating moving undereducated single moms out of Appalachia and dropping them in Chicago? So you're advocating funding that move presumably, since how else will she get to NYC, as a single mom? And then that kid gets set up in the chiraq public school system, where he only eats moldy sandwiches cause he's a 'dumb hick', and as a consequence of his undereducated and resentful mother's raising (afterall, she had to move across the country and leave her family cause of this little turd) he spends his time on the street and knocks up some chick. And you think youll be insulated from this problem, for how long? |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 4:02:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PainefulCommonSense: How much money are you willing to spend on the project? I can respect that perhaps you are not a fiscal conservative. What greater criminal punishment do you advocate? Is the death penalty isn't a great enough consequence, what do you propose? They real do love to spend other people’s money, don’t they? So what if we have millions of more dems and we lose elections? As long as they feel good, right? |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 4:12:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagoth-Ur: They real do love to spend other people’s money, don’t they? So what if we have millions of more dems and we lose elections? As long as they feel good, right? I understand the nationalist arguments around the issue. But the advocates of such need to acknowledge they've abandoned American Conservativism for something else. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 4:29:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: Would they? Are there really that many families willing to adopt based on charity or lack of fertility? I seriously doubt it. I think so. Adoption is incredibly expensive (I've heard $90k lately), which really cuts down on the number of families who can make it work. There are plenty of great middle/working-class people who would love to adopt, would do a great job with it, but simply cannot afford the process. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 4:35:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sabocat: I think so. Adoption is incredibly expensive (I've heard $90k lately), which really cuts down on the number of families who can make it work. There are plenty of great middle/working-class people who would love to adopt, would do a great job with it, but simply cannot afford the process. Tepidly waiting for you to address my "what about the SS hustle" with a response about the liberatory nature of child labor, and how if only we had pre-teen chimney sweeps whose labor is sold by their parents then the children would be wanted, even a commodity to be traded. 
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Posted: 4/10/2024 5:30:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MMcfpd: Abortion is not going to be banned in the country as a whole. Thoughts I've had as to how to address the tsunami of fatherless children (Abortion Rights Revisited). We live in a gynocentric society. Giving fathers the choice to waive their parental rights will never happen. Every time a child support payment is made in this country the state/county where it happens gets a cut of the payment. The government will never end something that generates the amount of revenue that child support payments generate for them. They know that men work more and make more money than women. That's why judges love giving custody of children to the mothers. Even if the mothers are absolute pieces of shit who should have no contact with their children. It has absolutely nothing to do with what's best for the children. The men paying child support will generate more revenue than if custody were awarded the other way around. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 6:09:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PainefulCommonSense: Tepidly waiting for you to address my "what about the SS hustle" with a response about the liberatory nature of child labor, and how if only we had pre-teen chimney sweeps whose labor is sold by their parents then the children would be wanted, even a commodity to be traded. The children yearn for the mines!  There isn't really anything stopping deadbeat parents from doing that with children born to them. If they aren't eligible for benefits, benefits are capped, and/or the number of adoptions per family is capped, scamming the system would seem to be harder. It's also 3 AM and my brain is a bit fried, so this post is worth what you paid for it. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 6:12:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HKocher: FWIW, I’ve known many families that adopted, and in almost all of those cases, the child was serious messed up for life due to Fixed |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 6:59:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarzanT: How about concentrating on contraception. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 7:01:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: Do we force that contraception by govt mandate? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKocher: Originally Posted By TarzanT: How about concentrating on contraception. Do we force that contraception by govt mandate? Only if you are eating at the government trough. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 7:04:46 AM EDT
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Fatten the children up for the market and feed them to the public.
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