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Originally Posted By KJB:
Doc, Don't worry the paint will stick just fine. I've painted more than a few DPMS rifles with zero problems. In fact I had a real hard time getting the paint off on one when I changed my mind! Really? I would have thought nothing would stick to the DPMS finish for very long. Now I have a big decision to make, leave it the way it is or, go camo crazy and then artificially age the whole thing. Doc |
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Originally Posted By SgtKiwi:
Tape switch holder: Blackhawk velcro watch band (I prefer yours, but still need to go to the store to pick up some tube). I can't bring myself to use electrical tape like in the movie. Cut bicycle innertubes work well for situations like that, too. You just need to find the right size. Probably MTB size. IMHO that would look really good on your gun. I use cut innertubes for all kinds of stuff. Over the VFG on my work gun for some extra grip, to take up the slack on my VCAS sling, over the body of my work flashlight for extra grip. The uses are endless. |
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What model Aimpoint is that?
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Thats the 1000 model
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Originally Posted By DocMike:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
That is pretty darn sweet. Don't you need the old jungle boots to go properly? Man, you had to bust me out on a public forum didn't you ( ) .......yes, my boots are too new. Nobody was supposed to notice. Doc SORRY! |
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
My RO727 is officially on hold at this time: http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r249/RTUtah/ARs/IMG_1853.jpg For some reason a middy should just be all wrong in this forum but that has got to be one sweet little carbine. Looks great too! |
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
My RO727 is officially on hold at this time: http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r249/RTUtah/ARs/IMG_1853.jpg For some reason a middy should just be all wrong in this forum but that has got to be one sweet little carbine. Looks great too! That one does look sweet, and with that moderator it doesn't jump out as being a middy. |
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Originally Posted By 44Echo10:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
My RO727 is officially on hold at this time: http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r249/RTUtah/ARs/IMG_1853.jpg For some reason a middy should just be all wrong in this forum but that has got to be one sweet little carbine. Looks great too! That one does look sweet, and with that moderator it doesn't jump out as being a middy. That was the general idea. Thanks fellas. |
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Looks great~!
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Originally Posted By SgtKiwi: A re-paint and a few changes... http://i39.tinypic.com/156vn0o.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/w9hc1j.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/4q4mlh.jpg Looks great! A couple of observations regarding your artificial aging. Your trigger, has no markings what so ever on it. It would seem that a carbine that has seen that much use since paint would have had quite a few trigger pulls. Also the dust cover has no scratch in the paint from being knocked open. Your brass deflector has no sign of being hit with brass. Also the side of your hand guards and side of your light have no wear on them either. Seems like a rifle with a receiver worn thru the anodizing would have done some damage to the paint on the light as well as some scuffs on the hand guards. Also, the paint on the flash hider should be burnt and flaking off. Not trying to criticize, as I am working on the same thing. I am always having my buddy point out areas that should be aged to to match up with area's I have already done. That's a sweet looking carbine, what optic are you using? |
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Originally Posted By 19119640:
Originally Posted By SgtKiwi:
A re-paint and a few changes... http://i39.tinypic.com/156vn0o.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/w9hc1j.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/4q4mlh.jpg Looks great! A couple of observations regarding your artificial aging. Your trigger, has no markings what so ever on it. It would seem that a carbine that has seen that much use since paint would have had quite a few trigger pulls. Also the dust cover has no scratch in the paint from being knocked open. Your brass deflector has no sign of being hit with brass. Also the side of your hand guards and side of your light have no wear on them either. Seems like a rifle with a receiver worn thru the anodizing would have done some damage to the paint on the light as well as some scuffs on the hand guards. Also, the paint on the flash hider should be burnt and flaking off. Not trying to criticize, as I am working on the same thing. I am always having my buddy point out areas that should be aged to to match up with area's I have already done. That's a sweet looking carbine, what optic are you using? Thanks for the input... Nothing that a little "hard use" won't cure. As far as the optic, it is an aimpoint 2000. |
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Yeah, looks good.
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I have an Aimpoint 1000 around here someplace. But I have never seen a 3000 for sale.
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Originally Posted By Lancelot:
I have an Aimpoint 1000 around here someplace. But I have never seen a 3000 for sale. I've seen a couple in just the past week. There's one on GB right now (not my auction) but the seller has it paired with an HK claw mount and is selling them as a package. I e-mailed him about selling the Aimpoint separately, but he hasn't responded. |
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Originally Posted By jtb0311:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
I have an Aimpoint 1000 around here someplace. But I have never seen a 3000 for sale. I've seen a couple in just the past week. There's one on GB right now (not my auction) but the seller has it paired with an HK claw mount and is selling them as a package. I e-mailed him about selling the Aimpoint separately, but he hasn't responded. That HK claw must be worth a fortune because I've been watching Aimpoint 3000 auctions for a while now and I've never seen one sell for more than about $150.00. Doc |
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Originally Posted By DocMike:
Originally Posted By jtb0311:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
I have an Aimpoint 1000 around here someplace. But I have never seen a 3000 for sale. I've seen a couple in just the past week. There's one on GB right now (not my auction) but the seller has it paired with an HK claw mount and is selling them as a package. I e-mailed him about selling the Aimpoint separately, but he hasn't responded. That HK claw must be worth a fortune because I've been watching Aimpoint 3000 auctions for a while now and I've never seen one sell for more than about $150.00. Doc The seller on GB responded that he wants to sell them as a package. I asked him to keep me in mind if he changes his mind and sells separately. |
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Originally Posted By DocMike: Well, I seen enough of everyones "been there - done that" artificially aged rifles that I finally decided I had to do it to one of my own guns. I took the plunge and painted my Blackhawk Down Tribute Rifle and then aged it a little bit. I didn't want to get too carried away with the amount of wear because I would think that in the field if a rifle got too badly worn it probably would get a new coat of paint. Tell me what you think. Do I need to add a little more wear or does it look good as it is. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/BHDcamo1.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/BHDcamo2.jpg Doc That looks great! Maybe add some more wear to the handguards......?????? |
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Originally Posted By rozzi:
I have been reading this thread with great interest. I just finished up a replica of Sergeant First Class Randall Shughart 's M14 using my M1A. During my research I came across the following photo off "onesixthwarriors.com". I thought it could help some members out. It is a close up from a paining made by Jim Dietz, entitled "Valiant Stand". I have read that only 100 prints were made and all went to vets/family members of the Battle of Mogadishu. It is my understanding that Mr. Dietz did a lot of research for the painting and was granted access to members of Delta to "get it right". With all the discussion of Aimpoints being used, it appears to me that both MSG Gordon and SFC Shughart are using Aimpoints in the painting. I don't know for sure what model Master Sergeant Gordon is using, but SFC Shughart's looks to be a 3000. Maybe some of you will see things differently. Anyway, hope this information can help. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj152/36coupe/valiantstand.jpg I've never done too much research, but the little I did led me to believe that Shughart's M14 probably had a 3x9 on his M14. I didn't read the book though. That photo looks like it's straight from the movie. I don't know. We could beat this dead horse but despite the fact that I have quite a few BHD photos, I've never seen one with either one of those guys or an M14. |
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
That photo looks like it's straight from the movie. It's spot on for the movie actors and weapons, not so much for the real guys. |
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By rozzi:
I have been reading this thread with great interest. I just finished up a replica of Sergeant First Class Randall Shughart 's M14 using my M1A. During my research I came across the following photo off "onesixthwarriors.com". I thought it could help some members out. It is a close up from a paining made by Jim Dietz, entitled "Valiant Stand". I have read that only 100 prints were made and all went to vets/family members of the Battle of Mogadishu. It is my understanding that Mr. Dietz did a lot of research for the painting and was granted access to members of Delta to "get it right". With all the discussion of Aimpoints being used, it appears to me that both MSG Gordon and SFC Shughart are using Aimpoints in the painting. I don't know for sure what model Master Sergeant Gordon is using, but SFC Shughart's looks to be a 3000. Maybe some of you will see things differently. Anyway, hope this information can help. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj152/36coupe/valiantstand.jpg I've never done too much research, but the little I did led me to believe that Shughart's M14 probably had a 3x9 on his M14. I didn't read the book though. That photo looks like it's straight from the movie. I don't know. We could beat this dead horse but despite the fact that I have quite a few BHD photos, I've never seen one with either one of those guys or an M14. Well, Dietz took the time to get the fact Gordon had a 723 with A1 sights and not a 727 with A2 sights (like the movie used) correct. If he got that detail correct I'm inclined to believe he got other details correct. |
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Originally Posted By DocMike:
Well, I seen enough of everyones "been there - done that" artificially aged rifles that I finally decided I had to do it to one of my own guns. I took the plunge and painted my Blackhawk Down Tribute Rifle and then aged it a little bit. I didn't want to get too carried away with the amount of wear because I would think that in the field if a rifle got too badly worn it probably would get a new coat of paint. Tell me what you think. Do I need to add a little more wear or does it look good as it is. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/BHDcamo1.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/BHDcamo2.jpg Doc Doc, Looking good. I would show more wear on your take down and pivots pins. And anywhere else that would get heavy use or be laid down on/against concrete. Your BHD looks sweet doc! High Regards, Sean |
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DocMike,
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Originally Posted By DocMike:
Well, I seen enough of everyones "been there - done that" artificially aged rifles that I finally decided I had to do it to one of my own guns. I took the plunge and painted my Blackhawk Down Tribute Rifle and then aged it a little bit. I didn't want to get too carried away with the amount of wear because I would think that in the field if a rifle got too badly worn it probably would get a new coat of paint. Tell me what you think. Do I need to add a little more wear or does it look good as it is. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/BHDcamo1.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/BHDcamo2.jpg Doc Looks good. Needs more wear on the mag release and right under where the finger rests when it is not on the trigger. I know you can't see in any pics but you should black out the sights with a lighter- not just the front sight but inside the ears. Do the rear sight too. More wear on the receiver extension from retracting stock. Best to shoot it different positions if it is a 4 position as this is what leaves distinctive marks. More wear on the top of the stock from rubbing on the face and or a piece of 100 mile/hr tape on that spot- worn too. Two digit number of choice engraved with sharp tool on the top of the stock visible when rifle is in small arms rack or painted with a paint pen of light green, blue, red, or white under the rear sling mount of the stock. For instance my M4 was number 99 and had both. More wear on the ping pong and lots or wear to the pistol grip- like most of the paint. The nut and other fasteners on the scope would have wear from removing/replacing and or checking for tightness. Often there would be a few sets of marks from the light mount having either been moved forward or back by the individual or by loosening through use. Then go out and shoot it until the barrel turns pink. Later on replace the charging handle with another equally worn yet unpainted example. Of course my experiences with painted M4s didn't start until 2002..... |
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Thanks to everybody for the tips on how to make the wear look more authentic. I hadn't thought too much about aging the buffer tube, good idea. I did try to "wear" the area where the trigger finger would rest....guess I need to add a little more. I find that the hardest part of artificially aging is making it look real. It's really easy to make the aging look wrong, it's really tough to make it look natural.
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Originally Posted By SSeric02:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By rozzi:
I have been reading this thread with great interest. I just finished up a replica of Sergeant First Class Randall Shughart 's M14 using my M1A. During my research I came across the following photo off "onesixthwarriors.com". I thought it could help some members out. It is a close up from a paining made by Jim Dietz, entitled "Valiant Stand". I have read that only 100 prints were made and all went to vets/family members of the Battle of Mogadishu. It is my understanding that Mr. Dietz did a lot of research for the painting and was granted access to members of Delta to "get it right". With all the discussion of Aimpoints being used, it appears to me that both MSG Gordon and SFC Shughart are using Aimpoints in the painting. I don't know for sure what model Master Sergeant Gordon is using, but SFC Shughart's looks to be a 3000. Maybe some of you will see things differently. Anyway, hope this information can help. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj152/36coupe/valiantstand.jpg I've never done too much research, but the little I did led me to believe that Shughart's M14 probably had a 3x9 on his M14. I didn't read the book though. That photo looks like it's straight from the movie. I don't know. We could beat this dead horse but despite the fact that I have quite a few BHD photos, I've never seen one with either one of those guys or an M14. Well, Dietz took the time to get the fact Gordon had a 723 with A1 sights and not a 727 with A2 sights (like the movie used) correct. If he got that detail correct I'm inclined to believe he got other details correct. Well, like I said, I've never seen any pics of the M14 and it could be completely right for all I know. I think I got my info from wiki, which has to be correct, right? Anyways, it's all good. |
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Originally Posted By DocMike:
Well, my investigation goes on to try to figure out what optics were used in Mogadishu in 1993. I have the 3-Disc Deluxe Edition of the movie, Black Hawk Down and on the last disc there is the History Channel documentary about the events of that fateful day. In the closing credits of the show they show pictures that appear to have been taken in Mogadishu and I spotted this picture (sorry about the bad picture quality, I had to snap the picture of the TV screen with my digital camera.) that with out a doubt shows the gun equipped with an Aimpoint 3000. From everything I have been able to learn I do believe there wasn't one optic used but, rather a few different optics used because I believe they were often acquired by the units themselves or by individual purchases. Clearly an Aimpoint 3000 http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/HistChnlBHD3000.jpg Same picture, a little larger. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/BHDAIMPOINT3000.jpg Not so sure of this optic. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/100_1904.jpg Doc A2 upper ????????? |
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Does anyone have a line on a correct SureFire? It doesn't have to be period correct, but a brand new 6Ps isn't an option.
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Originally Posted By Calgunner:
Originally Posted By DocMike:
Well, my investigation goes on to try to figure out what optics were used in Mogadishu in 1993. I have the 3-Disc Deluxe Edition of the movie, Black Hawk Down and on the last disc there is the History Channel documentary about the events of that fateful day. In the closing credits of the show they show pictures that appear to have been taken in Mogadishu and I spotted this picture (sorry about the bad picture quality, I had to snap the picture of the TV screen with my digital camera.) that with out a doubt shows the gun equipped with an Aimpoint 3000. From everything I have been able to learn I do believe there wasn't one optic used but, rather a few different optics used because I believe they were often acquired by the units themselves or by individual purchases. Clearly an Aimpoint 3000 http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/HistChnlBHD3000.jpg Same picture, a little larger. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/BHDAIMPOINT3000.jpg Not so sure of this optic. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/100_1904.jpg Doc A2 upper ????????? Well documented in photographs that the Rangers had M16A2s and Colt 727s while the Delta guys seem to have had Colt 723s. |
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So my A2 commando build is a Ranger Replica ???
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Does anyone have a line on a correct SureFire? It doesn't have to be period correct, but a brand new 6Ps isn't an option. Dustin Best place to look is the EE and Ebay. There are also some specialty flashlight forums (think Arfcom but for flashlights) if you really get desparate. |
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Originally Posted By DocMike:
Well, it's official, I'm collecting parts for a BHD build. I picked up this just a couple of days ago off Gunbroker. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f168/mwrdyna/Aimpoint1000Buy.jpg Now I've got to start looking for a flashlight and mount. Doc I finally hunted mine down. Its an Aimpoint Mark III. It looks similar to the 1000. Still works. I was amazed. Its mounted up. Now I too, am off to hunt the elusive flashlight mount. |
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Originally Posted By Hal143:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=191443152 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=192023113 Thanks. What's the difference between the 14 and the 16? ETA The Surefire M14 Mount provides a Tactical Light mounting base for weapon barrels from 0.5 to 0.75 inches diameter. Fits barrel diameters 0.5 to 0.9. inches. Also fits under front sight casting of M6/AR15 variants. Good link with manuals. M10 ring |
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Originally Posted By Hal143:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=191443152 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=192023113 Just an FYI I got some mounts from the guy in the first auction. When I got them they are not NIP. They are used and one was a littel bent but it still worked. |
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Originally Posted By Lancelot:
Originally Posted By Hal143:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=191443152 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=192023113 Thanks. What's the difference between the 14 and the 16? ETA The Surefire M14 Mount provides a Tactical Light mounting base for weapon barrels from 0.5 to 0.75 inches diameter. Fits barrel diameters 0.5 to 0.9. inches. Also fits under front sight casting of M6/AR15 variants. Good link with manuals. M10 ring I think the M16 mount just comes with longer screws so you can mount it with the top piece through the FSB. |
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The M16 mount is the proper mount that I have seen for a BHD build. It comes with long screws that can be mounted on the FSB or barrel.
There may also be another mount that is specific for barrel mount only. I don't know the number for that one, but the M16 mount works fine on the barrel or FSB. I included the M14 link just as a heads up to other mounts he has. I got 2 from AM180 and both were in the original vintage sealed packages with instructions etc. YMMV. ETA: Sserico beat me to it Yes longer screws that can be cut or replaced at any Hardware store. You might try emailing him to see if he still has the M16 mounts NIW. Both mine were NIW, unused, but I wouldn't want to give anyone a false impression. I'm going to use a standard 1" Weaver ring on mine once I get a vintage 6P |
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Yeah, definitely just buy the two pack of Weaver branded 1" matte finished rings vice the Surefire branded rings. Exactly the same thing with just the difference in packaging and price.
I'm also pretty sure that Surefire is still selling the M14/M16 barrel mounts; at least, Optics Planet still shows them available. ETA: The M14 mount should work fine on an M4 or CAR-15 barrel. |
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