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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:39:56 AM EDT
https://www.abc4.com/news/southern-utah/karen-in-viral-video-facing-sexual-battery-charge-for-pulling-down-teens-skirt-in-utah-restaurant/
ST. GEORGE, Utah (ABC4) — In a TikTok video that went viral this week, a woman who describes herself as a Utah state employee can be seen justifying pulling down a teenager’s mini skirt in the lobby of a St. George restaurant. While she threatened to call authorities on the teenager, she is now the one facing criminal charges. In the video recorded Saturday night inside Sakura Japanese Steakhouse, Ida Ann Lorenzo reprimands the teenager, telling her that if she has to watch the teen’s “a** cheeks hanging out again,” she’ll call Child Protective Services. She later complained to police that video of the confrontation posted across various social media platforms labeled her a “Karen.” Lorenzo, 48, is charged with sexual battery. Documents filed Wednesday in 5th District Court show Lorenzo, of Santa Clara, is facing a single count of the Class A misdemeanor charge. She was booked into jail, but has since been released. According to a statement of probable cause, Lorenzo reported the incident herself the night it happened, telling dispatch that the teenager had her skirt “hiked above her vagina and butt,” exposing her pubic hair. Because restaurant staff and parents didn’t act, Lorenzo said she took it upon herself to pull the teen’s skirt down, as young children were present. Later that night she called 911 again, this time saying that a video of the aftermath was posted online, along with her name, insinuating that she committed a crime that was sexual in nature. Lorenzo explained that because she holds a position with the state, she felt this was a “threat on her life,” the police report states. In an interview with a St. George police officer Sunday, Lorenzo said that when she pulled down the teenager’s skirt, the girl whom she believed to be a minor ignored her, so she threatened to call Child Protective Services to file an indecent exposure report. This is consistent with what appears in the viral video, in which the victim is described as a 19-year-old. The police officer asked Lorenzo why she thought it was appropriate to touch another person. She responded saying that she only touched the girl’s skirt. To this, the officer said that such an act was still criminal behavior and not appropriate, the police report states. On TikTok, the initial video of the aftermath has received nearly 2 million views, and police noted that the footage “clearly showed [Lorenzo] approaching the females,” touching them, and threatening to call authorities. On Monday, the teenager whose skirt was pulled down called police, saying she was sexually assaulted. She told investigators that Lorenzo came up behind her without warning, touched her buttocks, and pulled down her skirt. The incident left her feeling “startled” and “violated,” the police report states. Several witnesses also filed similar reports with police. The teenager provided police with video of herself in the skirt that night, and she explained that she was wearing underwear and that it would have been impossible for her pubic hair to have been exposed, as Lorenzo claimed. Before Lorenzo was arrested, she denied touching the teen’s skin, and she repeated that she thought the teen was nude underneath the skirt, the police report states. The officer told Lorenzo that even if the teen was naked under the skirt, her actions still meet the criminal elements of sexual battery. She was booked Wednesday into the Purgatory Correctional Facility in Hurricane. Videos on social media related to the incident said Lorenzo’s social media profiles said she worked for Utah Attorney General Sean Reyes. ABC4 has reached out to Reyes’ office to verify if Lorenzo holds a position there, but the station has yet to hear back. |
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She should have got knocked the fuck out.
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Crazy Mormon Karen called police not once but TWICE on herself.
Someone should have watched the never talk to police lawyer… |
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she's just big mad that no one wants to enter her love cave anymore
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Take it easy and if it's easy take it twice
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pics of 19 year old in short skirt?
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Karens be crazy, yo!
The teenager provided police with video of herself in the skirt that night, and she explained that she was wearing underwear and that it would have been impossible for her pubic hair to have been exposed, as Lorenzo claimed. View Quote Am I the only one who read this and gets the impression there isn't much, if any, pubic hair to be seen? |
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I will not compromise!
Ne Desit Virtus (Let Valor Not Fail) - Rakkasan! "Life is fucking hard. Either get used to taking a few lumps like the rest of us, or buy a fucking helmet and crawl into a corner somewhere." -Me |
Attacks woman. Video posted online. Calls police to complain that video of her attack makes her fear for her life.
And I thought MD was filled with geniuses like this. |
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"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
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I don’t believe for one second that a teenage girl was wearing a skirt so short, she could see her butt cheeks and her pubic hair.
Women and girls wear shorts so short, you can see a hint of their butt cheeks, but that’s normal. I think this woman is deliberately lying to justify her behavior. That being said, she should’ve been charged with battery, not sexual battery. It’s not like she was molesting the girl. She was just slut, shaming her. |
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Sakura is pretty good. Never saw any excitement like this.
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What’s the difference between pancakes and a Mini-14? Pancakes hit the spot.-dvanblaricom
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Your home turf. You retained yet?
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"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
G. K. Chesterton |
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A good enough attorney might be able to make a case that she can't stand trial because she's mentally incompetent.
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subversive orchestrator
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Originally Posted By TexasOutdoorsman: pics of 19 year old in short skirt? View Quote Think we only see her friends in the video and only the follow up squawking. Judging by the friends skirts if one of them was singled out her cheeks and undies were probably showing a little or something. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: Sakura is pretty good. Never saw any excitement like this. View Quote Santa Clara is nice too. So, if the girls pubes were showing, I am sure the St George cops would have arrested her too. Had a nice USAF officer I had the pleasure to talk to last year that found out she is a sex offender due to some St George cop citing her for skinny dipping. The UT law screwed this poor girl. |
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He who covers his sins will not prosper,
But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy. |
Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog: I don't believe for one second that a teenage girl was wearing a skirt so short, she could see her butt cheeks and her pubic hair. Women and girls wear shorts so short, you can see a hint of their butt cheeks, but that's normal. I think this woman is deliberately lying to justify her behavior. That being said, she should've been charged with battery, not sexual battery. It's not like she was molesting the girl. She was just slut, shaming her. View Quote |
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"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
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"Before I do anything, I ask myself 'Would an idiot do this thing?' And if the answer is 'yes,' then I do not do that thing." -Dwight Schrute
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Originally Posted By Obo2: Think we only see her friends in the video and only the follow up squawking. Judging by the friends skirts if one of them was singled out her cheeks and undies were probably showing a little or something. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Obo2: Originally Posted By TexasOutdoorsman: pics of 19 year old in short skirt? Think we only see her friends in the video and only the follow up squawking. Judging by the friends skirts if one of them was singled out her cheeks and undies were probably showing a little or something. yeah, her friends are hot - i need to make sure i get my own opinion of whether or not anything was visible or if the skirt was too short. |
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Originally Posted By UV18: Santa Clara is nice too. So, if the girls pubes were showing, I am sure the St George cops would have arrested her too. Had a nice USAF officer I had the pleasure to talk to last year that found out she is a sex offender due to some St George cop citing her for skinny dipping. The UT law screwed this poor girl. View Quote Decades later they had to register as sex offenders. |
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"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
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Originally Posted By DVCER: They're about too get a lot more business. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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What’s the difference between pancakes and a Mini-14? Pancakes hit the spot.-dvanblaricom
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Mrs. Busybody was probably just pissed 'cause her husband was stealing glances at some 19 yo booty,
instead of her fat ass. |
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USN Retired: APR 1988 - MAY 2008
"My center is giving way, my right is falling back, situation excellent, I attack." —Ferdinand Foch |
Originally Posted By R2point0: Slut shaming is calling names, writing bad things, etc. Attacking a person physically is way beyond that. View Quote Telling a girl, her skirt is too short and trying to tug it down so that it is less revealing is certainly inappropriate, certainly criminal, but it’s not sexual battery. It’s battery. Sexual battery would be saying “nice ass baby” while sticking your hand up her skirt and grabbing her ass. One is simply an offensive touching. The other is akin to rape. |
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"I'm from the government and I'm here to help" doesn't have the cachet said employees think.
And getting less every day. |
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I never knew "Karen" could be an official paid position.
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Come on man, does a 19 year old girl have pubic hair nowadays?
I am thinking she is shaved/waxed. |
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My Sister....."Damn girl, get over it, we have all had to get on our knees and suck a dick to get what we wanted."
Great Aunt Florence..."Life is too short to drink cheap booze" |
Originally Posted By R2point0: When I was in school there were a bunch of kids who got cited by the cops for pissing outside on their way down from the Hill after drinking all night. They were cited for indecent exposure because apparently public urination wasn't technically illegal. They didn't fight it because the local judge, knowing the circumstances, would just levy a small fine and maybe probation. Decades later they had to register as sex offenders. View Quote You fell for that old wives tale, too lol? Nobody has to register as a sex offender for urinating in public. That’s just some bullshit that registered sex offenders make up because they don’t want to tell you why they really have to register as sex offenders. |
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Originally Posted By Kubota3430: Come on man, does a 19 year old girl have pubic hair nowadays? I am thinking she is shaved/waxed. View Quote If you read the article, the girl told police her pubic hair could not be visible because she was wearing underwear, so there’s at least one 19-year-old girl in Utah who has pubic hair. |
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Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog: If you read the article, the girl told police her pubic hair could not be visible because she was wearing underwear, so there’s at least one 19-year-old girl in Utah who has pubic hair. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog: Originally Posted By Kubota3430: Come on man, does a 19 year old girl have pubic hair nowadays? I am thinking she is shaved/waxed. If you read the article, the girl told police her pubic hair could not be visible because she was wearing underwear, so there’s at least one 19-year-old girl in Utah who has pubic hair. glad to hear some young woman has some sense. I just don't understand the bald look, it's fucking terrible. |
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Take it easy and if it's easy take it twice
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Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog: Telling a girl, her skirt is too short and trying to tug it down so that it is less revealing is certainly inappropriate, certainly criminal, but it’s not sexual battery. It’s battery. Sexual battery would be saying “nice ass baby” while sticking your hand up her skirt and grabbing her ass. One is simply an offensive touching. The other is akin to rape. View Quote From the article.... She told investigators that Lorenzo came up behind her without warning, touched her buttocks, and pulled down her skirt. The incident left her feeling “startled” and “violated,” |
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Originally Posted By UV18: Santa Clara is nice too. So, if the girls pubes were showing, I am sure the St George cops would have arrested her too. Had a nice USAF officer I had the pleasure to talk to last year that found out she is a sex offender due to some St George cop citing her for skinny dipping. The UT law screwed this poor girl. View Quote I've seen what I assume were Vegas strippers (?) in string bikinis at the pool and there are some whores who have summer places here (or rent air bnbs, who knows I heard this second hand) who must be from NV or CA. There are "massage parlors" here but I don't know what that's about. |
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What’s the difference between pancakes and a Mini-14? Pancakes hit the spot.-dvanblaricom
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LOL
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Lol if this is real, Karen got arrested for going hands-on.
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Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog: Telling a girl, her skirt is too short and trying to tug it down so that it is less revealing is certainly inappropriate, certainly criminal, but it’s not sexual battery. It’s battery. Sexual battery would be saying “nice ass baby” while sticking your hand up her skirt and grabbing her ass. One is simply an offensive touching. The other is akin to rape. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog: Originally Posted By R2point0: Slut shaming is calling names, writing bad things, etc. Attacking a person physically is way beyond that. Telling a girl, her skirt is too short and trying to tug it down so that it is less revealing is certainly inappropriate, certainly criminal, but it’s not sexual battery. It’s battery. Sexual battery would be saying “nice ass baby” while sticking your hand up her skirt and grabbing her ass. One is simply an offensive touching. The other is akin to rape. "She told investigators that Lorenzo came up behind her without warning, touched her buttocks, " |
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call cops fuck her night up She was charged. Good! |
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I'm not always a dick, just kidding, go fuck yourself.
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Sounds like you know exactly what that's about Seems like they get busted every few years. https://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/2017/01/11/massage-prostitution/96447176/ |
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Originally Posted By Kubota3430: Come on man, does a 19 year old girl have pubic hair nowadays? I am thinking she is shaved/waxed. View Quote 19 year old in Indiana? She probably has a national forest. 19 year old girl in St George, Utah where pools are open basically year round? As smooth as a pane of glass. |
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Originally Posted By jafco: From the article.... She told investigators that Lorenzo came up behind her without warning, touched her buttocks, and pulled down her skirt. The incident left her feeling “startled” and “violated,” View Quote Sex crimes are difficult to prosecute because it’s about the subjective intent of the person committing the offense, not how the person felt about it. That’s why in my hypothetical example I included the phrase, “nice ass, baby.” If a person says something like that, you don’t need to speculate about their intent. But you don’t need to speculate about her intent in this case either. She didn’t grab the girls ass because she thought she was hot. If she came into contact with her ass at all, it’s because she was trying to tuck her skirt down. Again, I’m not defending her actions. It’s appropriate to prosecute her for battery.I’m simply taking issue with the fact that prosecutors should not overcharge. But then I am a defense attorney. |
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Sexual battery? Maybe regular battery.
Romney taliban! |
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Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel: "She told investigators that Lorenzo came up behind her without warning, touched her buttocks, " View Quote Making contact with her ass, doesn’t make a sexual battery. If that were the case, if Karen walked up to a child on a playground that she thought was misbehaving and spanked her, that would automatically be sexual battery. If you’d like to look up the jury instructions for this particular offense, I’m sure that one of the elements for sexual battery will be that the touching was done for sexual purposes. that’s the difference between battery and sexual battery. It’s all about the intent of the perpetrator, not where the touching occurred. By the way, have you ever watched a baseball game? |
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You've been real fine people, High Spade, riding along with me.
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Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog: Making contact with her ass, doesn’t make a sexual battery. If that were the case, if Karen walked up to a child on a playground that she thought was misbehaving and spanked her, that would automatically be sexual battery. If you’d like to look up the jury instructions for this particular offense, I’m sure that one of the elements for sexual battery will be that the touching was done for sexual purposes. that’s the difference between battery and sexual battery. It’s all about the intent of the perpetrator, not where the touching occurred. By the way, have you ever watched a baseball game? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog: Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel: "She told investigators that Lorenzo came up behind her without warning, touched her buttocks, " Making contact with her ass, doesn’t make a sexual battery. If that were the case, if Karen walked up to a child on a playground that she thought was misbehaving and spanked her, that would automatically be sexual battery. If you’d like to look up the jury instructions for this particular offense, I’m sure that one of the elements for sexual battery will be that the touching was done for sexual purposes. that’s the difference between battery and sexual battery. It’s all about the intent of the perpetrator, not where the touching occurred. By the way, have you ever watched a baseball game? that makes sense. But what if Karen has a dom/humilation fetish? But I understand what you're saying, probably the typical over charging like you said. |
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Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog: Sex crimes are difficult to prosecute because it's about the subjective intent of the person committing the offense, not how the person felt about it. That's why in my hypothetical example I included the phrase, "nice ass, baby." If a person says something like that, you don't need to speculate about their intent. But you don't need to speculate about her intent in this case either. She didn't grab the girls ass because she thought she was hot. If she came into contact with her ass at all, it's because she was trying to tuck her skirt down. Again, I'm not defending her actions. It's appropriate to prosecute her for battery.I'm simply taking issue with the fact that prosecutors should not overcharge. But then I am a defense attorney. View Quote |
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"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
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I should also point out that the 19 yo is taking a page from the feminist handbook. Contacting police the day after claiming sexual assault? Startled, yes, but violated?
She was assaulted, and good arrest. But I'm betting she didn't really care until it was clear she could make hay over it. |
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"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
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Originally Posted By Marky244: Sounds like you know exactly what that's about Seems like they get busted every few years. https://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/2017/01/11/massage-prostitution/96447176/ View Quote openly run a rub and tug in St George. I only go to the gun shop, the dump, the diner and the auto parts store. |
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What’s the difference between pancakes and a Mini-14? Pancakes hit the spot.-dvanblaricom
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