About Us

Ammunition Accountability is a newly forming group of ammunition coding technology supporters. Our group includes gun crime victims, industry representatives, law enforcement, public officials, public policy experts, and more. We are working together to pass legislation to make ammunition coding technology a reality.

Ammunition coding technology works by laser etching the back of each bullet with an alpha-numeric serial number. Then when a potential criminal purchases a box of 9mm cartridges, the box of ammunition and the bullets’ coding numbers would be connected to the purchaser in a statewide database. When a bullet is found at a crime scene, the code on the bullet can be read with a simple magnifying glass and then be run through a statewide database to determine who purchased the ammunition and where, providing a valuable investigative lead.

There are many ways that you can help us solve gun crime around the nation. For more information about our organization or information about the technology contact us: [email protected].

Are you just enlightening us of this evil group, or promoting this bullshit?

ETA: Tag/IBTL

5...4....3....2....1........

ETA: I'll send 'em an email.

If that wasn't so fracking silly, it would be funny.

Somebody has been watching "CSI" too much.

Quoted: Are you just enlightening us of this evil group, or promoting this bullshit?

Do you think someone who has been here as long and has as many posts is promoting this?
He's just informing us

Quoted: Quoted: Are you just enlightening us of this evil group, or promoting this bullshit? Do you think someone who has been here as long and has as many posts is promoting this? He's just informing us

Around here?  You never know.  However, since he left it COLD, that leads me to believe the latter.

So, basically, there is going to be a huge black market for pulled, edited, and reloaded cartridges.

Whoo-hoo, reloaders, we-uns is gonna be rich!

An ACT relating to firearms and ammunition; requiring [AGENCY] to establish a statewide
database to track coded ammunition manufactured and sold for handguns and assault rifles.

Geeeezusss...as if ammo wasn't expensive enough...now someone wants us to foot the bill to laser etch every flipping round of ammo...never thought that I'd re-load, but that would pretty much do it.  

Translation: It's one guy and maybe 3 friends, and some scared housewives who think they're being all "political, and stuff" when they forward emails to other scared housewives.

Gun crime victims = Saw a minority with a handgun the other day.
Industry Representatives = One chick that works in HR.
Law Enforcement = Mall security.
Public officials = Cleans toilets for parks & rec.
Public  policy experts = Opinionated people like me who post in internet forums.

How are they gonna do that for frangible ammo.

Section 3. Prohibition on possession or sale of non-coded ammunition.
1. All handgun and assault weapon ammunition manufactured or sold in the state after
January 1, 2009, shall be coded by the manufacturer.
a. The calibers covered by the coding requirement shall include: [LIST
CALIBERS].
2. No later than January 1, 2011, all non-coded ammunition for the calibers listed in this
chapter, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets, must be disposed.
Section

So if someone is shot with an uncoded bullet=law enforcement

Where do I sign up?

Loooking at being the kingpin of the unmarked ammo underground and I need a cover.

Great! We'll have to stock up on pre-ban ammo!    

So many ways this will lead to mis-identifying people that i dont have the time to elaborate. The concept isnt even feasible...absolutely ridiculous.

Lately there isnt an aspect of life that isnt regulated, documented, archived, and analyzed for correlations...our founding father would be glad they are dead if they could know what this country has turned into.

Get your preban Wolf .223 here!  Only $3/round!  Free shipping to lower 48!!!  .50 BMG-call for prices.

Quoted: Are you just enlightening us of this evil group, or promoting this bullshit? ETA: Tag/IBTL

uhhh ya wtf?? just post random anti-gun bs and move on??

Quoted: How are they gonna do that for frangible ammo.

And how's it going to help for ammo that penetrates fully and sails across the countryside beyond its target?

I'm a victim of gun crime.  An Uzi that should cost me $600 is $7000.

Think they'll help me?

this idea is dildos.

I would laugh at this, but there are too many people who think this would actually make a difference.  Anyone know how many murders go unsolved because they can't figure out who purchased the ammo???  My office represents a lot of murderers and I can't think of a single case where the ammo purchaser has ever been an issue.  There are also very few murders that go "unsolved" around here.

Quoted: Section 3. Prohibition on possession or sale of non-coded ammunition. 1. All handgun and assault weapon ammunition manufactured or sold in the state after January 1, 2009, shall be coded by the manufacturer. a. The calibers covered by the coding requirement shall include: [LIST CALIBERS]. 2. No later than January 1, 2011, all non-coded ammunition for the calibers listed in this chapter, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets, must be disposed. Section So if someone is shot with an uncoded bullet=law enforcement

HOLY SHIT!


CAN I BE MORE PISSED OFF!?

Obviously, we think it's ludicrous.

Our foes are working day and night to develop strategies and ways to implement them to BAN GUNS.
These ridiculous ammo tracing laws are just a constitutional end-around but they "feel good".
We are already feeling a threat to our right by way of simple market forces driving up the cost of ammunition.
Something like this, if passed, will be unbearable.

MD has a bill in the works to require firearms to encode each round and proposes a 5 cent tax on each round sold.
Other states are working on similar schemes.
This is exactly the kind of shit they will try to slip under the radar because it doesn't explicitly address firearms themselves.

Don't Fire Mission these fools. Bombard your legislators.
Vote early and vote often. Don't let bullshit like this even see the light of day, let alone get voted on.

How much sport shooting will you be able to afford at $2.50 a round for .223?

So, who owns this website?  Anyone want to bet it's someone connected to the asshat company that backed the CA legislation on this?  Where's subnet when you need him?

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shortened version: We wont tell you without a court order, get a court order and we'll drag our feet, and then charge you money for copies of the requested info

This is interesting, if someone sends domainsbyproxy a certified letter asking for whois info, they will charge the registrant over $20.

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I guess that could cost the registrant alot of $$$, if someone abused that.

I sent a harsh email to them.

And later this week I need to send some snail mail letters out to my Maryland Reps.

Damn gun control

Quoted: About Us Ammunition Accountability is a newly forming group of ammunition coding technology supporters. Our group includes gun crime victims, industry representatives, law enforcement, public officials, public policy experts, and more. We are working together to pass legislation to make ammunition coding technology a reality. Ammunition coding technology works by laser etching the back of each bullet with an alpha-numeric serial number. Then when a potential criminal purchases a box of 9mm cartridges, the box of ammunition and the bullets’ coding numbers would be connected to the purchaser in a statewide database. When a bullet is found at a crime scene, the code on the bullet can be read with a simple magnifying glass and then be run through a statewide database to determine who purchased the ammunition and where, providing a valuable investigative lead. There are many ways that you can help us solve gun crime around the nation. For more information about our organization or information about the technology contact us: [email protected].

I'm getting really, really sick of this shit.

ETA:

The unique code is micro-laser engraved on factory-produced ammunition. This laser engraving is etched on both the projectile and the inside of the cartridge casing.

There's no part in the legislation that penalizes someone for privately selling ammunition... so I could buy a truckload of ammo all coded to my name, and resell them in private sales for $5 more / box... sure, the cops come to you if they get used in a murder, but you can't get in trouble for it.

Full of fail!

Quoted: Um... can't laser etch the bullet since it gets destroyed being shot into things... I guess they want to laser etch the casing... which will work great on people who either use a revolver or just pick up the spent brass...

No, I'm 99.87% sure they want a cute little serial number on the backside of each projectile.

Heh.. Comedy for the day.

Quoted: Are you just enlightening us of this evil group, or promoting this bullshit? ETA: Tag/IBTL

Nobody starts more informed, or timely 2nd Amendment threads than CRC.

For someone with a post count like yours, I figure you would know this.

"4. The cost of maintaining the database shall be funded by the ammuni- tion coding system database fund established pursuant to section nine-ty-one-g of the State Finance Law. Vendors shall charge an additional $.005 per bullet or round of ammunition to the purchaser."

Nice to see that they'd not only make it a pain in the ass to buy ammo, that they'll us pay for the system that makes it a pain in the ass to buy ammo.

Quoted: Quoted: Are you just enlightening us of this evil group, or promoting this bullshit? ETA: Tag/IBTL Nobody starts more informed, or timely 2nd Amendment threads than CRC. For someone with a post count like yours, I figure you would know this.

Honestly, I didn't look at any of that info when I first posted.  I just read the post, and replied.

"5. Any person in possession of non-coded ammunition must dispose of such ammunition no later than January first, two thousand ten."

So much for stocking up before the prices go up...

Quoted: "5. Any person in possession of non-coded ammunition must dispose of such ammunition no later than January first, two thousand ten." So much for stocking up before the prices go up...

I predict a rash of tragic boating accidents.

HOLY SHIT!  (NY Version)

2. No sale of ammunition shall be made unless the purchaser displays a current and valid gun permit and signs a statement which includes the declarations that: (a) the ammunition is purchased solely for use by the purchaser and (b) unless the purchaser is in the business of or has a legitimate reason to transfer the ammunition purchased, that the ammunition
purchased will not be transferred.

3. It shall be unlawful to sell a bullet containing an explosive substance designed to detonate upon impact or armor piercing ammunition or to sell more than one hundred bullets within any ninety day period

/FACEPALM

Reminds me of the Chris Rock piece on "bullet control"

www.youtube.com/watch?v=juLQBeZXmPU

Quoted: "5. Any person in possession of non-coded ammunition must dispose of such ammunition no later than January first, two thousand ten." So much for stocking up before the prices go up...

Actually, that means they'll be worth even MORE, to the right people.

Reloading would have to be made a crime.

Add

http://www.ammocoding.com/

To the list!

What happens if someone steals my ammo?

Quoted: What happens if someone steals my ammo?

You'll probably go to jail....

Quoted: shortened version: We wont tell you without a court order, get a court order and we'll drag our feet, and then charge you money for copies of the requested info

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It could cost you a lot in the harassment trial too.

Quoted: About Us Ammunition Accountability is a newly forming group of ammunition coding technology supporters. Our group includes gun crime victims, industry representatives, law enforcement, public officials, public policy experts, and more. We are working together to pass legislation to make ammunition coding technology a reality. Ammunition coding technology works by laser etching the back of each bullet with an alpha-numeric serial number. Then when a potential criminal purchases a box of 9mm cartridges, the box of ammunition and the bullets’ coding numbers would be connected to the purchaser in a statewide database. When a bullet is found at a crime scene, the code on the bullet can be read with a simple magnifying glass and then be run through a statewide database to determine who purchased the ammunition and where, providing a valuable investigative lead. There are many ways that you can help us solve gun crime around the nation. For more information about our organization or information about the technology contact us: [email protected].

Go have intercourse with yourself......

The only "accountability" for ammo I have, is putting it on target.........

Have a nice day.......

Quoted: HOLY SHIT!  (NY Version) 2. No sale of ammunition shall be made unless the purchaser displays a current and valid gun permit and signs a statement which includes the declarations that: (a) the ammunition is purchased solely for use by the purchaser and (b) unless the purchaser is in the business of or has a legitimate reason to transfer the ammunition purchased, that the ammunition purchased will not be transferred. 3. It shall be unlawful to sell a bullet containing an explosive substance designed to detonate upon impact or armor piercing ammunition or to sell more than one hundred bullets within any ninety day period /FACEPALM

I'm always amused by that legislation.  It was drafted by some idiot assemblyman from NYC who doesn't even know that there's no such thing as a "gun permit" outside of NYC.

Of course, being from NYC, it's likely that he's not aware that NY state extends beyond the 5 boroughs of NYC.

Domains by Proxy.     Chickenshit little cunts using an 'invisible' domain registration co.  

Want to run your God damned life, but too fucking cowardly to stand up and say who they are.

So typical....  Fucking nanny wannabes.

Quoted: How are they gonna do that for frangible ammo.

This bill passed the NY Assembly in 2007 and will once again pass the Dimwit controlled Assembly in 2008.

A-3447/S-2002 Includes possession of armor piercing, frangible or devastator ammunition as criminal possession of a weapon

In 2007 one of the NYC Dimwit Assemplypersons introduced the coded bullet nonsense in the state Assembly. He couldn't even get any of the other NYC Assembly Dimwits to cosponser the bill.

AN ACT to amend the general business law and the penal law, in  relation
         to establishing a statewide database to maintain and track coded ammu-
         nition  and  establishing  penalties  for individuals who violate such
         provisions; and to amend the state finance law, in relation to  estab-
         lishing the ammunition coding system database fund

Quoted: Domains by Proxy.     Chickenshit little cunts using an 'invisible' domain registration co.   Want to run your God damned life, but too fucking cowardly to stand up and say who they are. So typical....  Fucking nanny wannabes.

Seems to me they've provided you with a contact if you need one.

[email protected]

It's never a good idea to put personal info on the web for any reason.