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Posted: 4/21/2024 6:59:19 PM EDT
[#1]
Are you guys looking at doing a Proto rifle or not so much
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 4:10:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Coming in a few weeks. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/7A4A7451-3185848.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/7A4A7447-3185849.jpg That looks glorious! Just curious, will the complete upper be available separately? If yes will definitely pick one up. (Afterwards, just need the same Complete C7 Upper but as a 20" rifle and my collection will be complete!) |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 5:14:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beamy: Are you guys looking at doing a Proto rifle or not so much Not at this time |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 5:15:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By austil: That looks glorious! Just curious, will the complete upper be available separately? If yes will definitely pick one up. (Afterwards, just need the same Complete C7 Upper but as a 20" rifle and my collection will be complete!) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By austil: Originally Posted By mike_nds: Coming in a few weeks. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/7A4A7451-3185848.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/7A4A7447-3185849.jpg That looks glorious! Just curious, will the complete upper be available separately? If yes will definitely pick one up. (Afterwards, just need the same Complete C7 Upper but as a 20" rifle and my collection will be complete!) Yes, the gray, C7, 723 carbine upper will be available separately |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 12:47:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Yes, the gray, C7, 723 carbine upper will be available separately Is the gray, 635, SMG stripped upper going to be available? |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 12:44:48 PM EDT
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If the kind people of H&R don't mind helping me out I would sincerely appreciate it. I am a Vietnam War reenactor with D 2/5 Cav in Oregon (I am personally a OEF Combat Infantry Vet). I finally got the money to buy an H&R so I can have my own rifle. I am a stickler for detail. I want to represent the veterans of the Vietnam War to the highest degree. From my research, the new production H&R M16A1's are 90+ percent clone correct. Unfortunately I've seen some negative reviews about the BCG and Dust cover sticking out like a sore thumb with its black color. Yet, I see other reviewers with the correct grey coloring.
Two days ago I snagged the last Grey M16A1 1/12 twist rifle and am awaiting shipment to my FFL. I am incredibly stoked but I'm anxiously crossing my fingers that the BCG and Dust cover are clone correct color-wise. Could anyone at H&R confirm whether the last batch had the correct coloring? And if it doesn't have the correct color, does H&R offer the BCG and dust cover separately in the correct color? I appreciate the help! |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 1:58:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mike_nds]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paradude54: Is the gray, 635, SMG stripped upper going to be available? https://palmettostatearmory.com/harrington-richardson-9mm-stripped-upper-receiver-gray.html Going to be a bit before I get more through ano. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 2:07:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: https://palmettostatearmory.com/harrington-richardson-9mm-stripped-upper-receiver-gray.html I'll try to get some up today or tomorrow. SWEET!!!! If you weren’t a guy I’d marry you for this one. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 2:12:40 PM EDT
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See my edit.
Sorry, checked inventory after I posted. Looks like we burned through them building complete uppers. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 2:29:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: See my edit. Sorry, checked inventory after I posted. Looks like we burned through them building complete uppers. That’s not good. PM sent |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 2:39:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By infantryski11b: If the kind people of H&R don't mind helping me out I would sincerely appreciate it. I am a Vietnam War reenactor with D 2/5 Cav in Oregon (I am personally a OEF Combat Infantry Vet). I finally got the money to buy an H&R so I can have my own rifle. I am a stickler for detail. I want to represent the veterans of the Vietnam War to the highest degree. From my research, the new production H&R M16A1's are 90+ percent clone correct. Unfortunately I've seen some negative reviews about the BCG and Dust cover sticking out like a sore thumb with its black color. Yet, I see other reviewers with the correct grey coloring. Two days ago I snagged the last Grey M16A1 1/12 twist rifle and am awaiting shipment to my FFL. I am incredibly stoked but I'm anxiously crossing my fingers that the BCG and Dust cover are clone correct color-wise. Could anyone at H&R confirm whether the last batch had the correct coloring? And if it doesn't have the correct color, does H&R offer the BCG and dust cover separately in the correct color? I appreciate the help! I have one of the more recent covers and it’s fairly dark. I was planning to send it to John Thomas along with most of the other small parts and having him blast and redo the manganese phosphate. I don’t know why but manganese phosphate on in industrial level always seems to turn out dark, but the small time stuff always has a nice medium grey look. I can only assume that there’s an additive of some kind. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 2:52:25 PM EDT
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That's a great idea. How much would that set you back to do all that?
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:57:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wayfaerer320]
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I'm glad you brought up the darker ejection port door. I know it means nothing in terms of functionality and is purely an aesthetic thing, but it looks pretty bad.
I'm in the same boat - I want an M16A1 in gray, but a black port door just looks awful. I feel like a dick complaining about something so minor, but it's a bit of a deal breaker considering it's supposed to be a clone (and I completely understand not EVERYTHING is accurate, but a port door color seems like an easy thing to rectify). And I mean no disrespect - this whole H&R Retro line is one of the coolest things to come along in years - I'm eyeing them all up. It's just a little gripe. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 5:16:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By infantryski11b: That's a great idea. How much would that set you back to do all that? That’s going to depend on how many parts you need done and whether you take it apart or you have him do it. He’s done quite a bit of work for me and his prices are always very reasonable, work is superb and turnaround time is crazy fast. I can’t recommend Retro Arms Works enough. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 5:19:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: I'm glad you brought up the darker ejection port door. I know it means nothing in terms of functionality and is purely an aesthetic thing, but it looks pretty bad. I'm in the same boat - I want an M16A1 in gray, but a black port door just looks awful. I feel like a dick complaining about something so minor, but it's a bit of a deal breaker considering it's supposed to be a clone (and I completely understand not EVERYTHING is accurate, but a port door color seems like an easy thing to rectify). And I mean no disrespect - this whole H&R Retro line is one of the coolest things to come along in years - I'm eyeing them all up. It's just a little gripe. I’m not sure anything can even be done about it, as I said above, there seems to be a difference between large scale industrial manganese phosphate and small scale stuff. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 6:37:14 PM EDT
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Does vaseline not fade the Parkerizing?
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Posted: 4/24/2024 6:43:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: grondike]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Does vaseline not fade the Parkerizing? |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:16:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grondike: Naval jelly, properly applied, will lighten some Parkerized parts. I've read in the Retro forum that parts in some LPKs will have their coating stripped completely. Unfortunately, it won't touch aluminum parts like the slip ring, mag release button, or trigger guard if those happen to be too dark. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grondike: Originally Posted By backbencher: Does vaseline not fade the Parkerizing? Naval jelly, properly applied, will lighten some Parkerized parts. I've read in the Retro forum that parts in some LPKs will have their coating stripped completely. Unfortunately, it won't touch aluminum parts like the slip ring, mag release button, or trigger guard if those happen to be too dark. Those you can reanodize in your refrigerator. 
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:48:19 PM EDT
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Or use Moly Resin on them. I did that with some black parts recently for my 601 and GM Hydra-Matic builds. I did some take down pics, trigger guards, bolt hold opens and safeties.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:52:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tstetz: Or use Moly Resin on them. I did that with some black parts recently for my 601 and GM Hydra-Matic builds. I did some take down pics, trigger guards, bolt hold opens and safeties. If you don't mind me asking, what does that process entail? Thanks! |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 8:28:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By infantryski11b: If you don't mind me asking, what does that process entail? Thanks! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By infantryski11b: Originally Posted By tstetz: Or use Moly Resin on them. I did that with some black parts recently for my 601 and GM Hydra-Matic builds. I did some take down pics, trigger guards, bolt hold opens and safeties. If you don't mind me asking, what does that process entail? Thanks! I actually just watched a video on how to apply it. What color did you use for your 601? |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 10:50:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By infantryski11b: I actually just watched a video on how to apply it. What color did you use for your 601? Grayish Black Colt Flat I believe it was. Seems to match up well. I painted my black slick slide upper with it too and it seems to be a pretty good match for my H&R gray lower. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 12:16:09 PM EDT
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I'm surprised Mike hasn't given us his thoughts on all this. I'm sure he's doing what he can to get the batches the correct color.
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Posted: 4/25/2024 1:31:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tstetz: Grayish Black Colt Flat I believe it was. Seems to match up well. I painted my black slick slide upper with it too and it seems to be a pretty good match for my H&R gray lower. I think that I’ll do that as well. There needs to be a way to follow people on here, you always seem to show on the threads that I follow, only I have questions and you have answers. 
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 7:04:09 PM EDT
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Mike,
I’m working on my 601 and I’m wondering if you will be doing any 601 uppers (minus the green) or early 604 uppers in grey? I’d hate to buy the late 604 the throw the CH/ bolt/ flash hider in my parts bin. Thanks for all the awesome work! |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:08:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AnotherdudenamedAlex: Mike, I’m working on my 601 and I’m wondering if you will be doing any 601 uppers (minus the green) or early 604 uppers in grey? I’d hate to buy the late 604 the throw the CH/ bolt/ flash hider in my parts bin. Thanks for all the awesome work! Yes, this. 1/12 barrel 601 or 604 early style, please. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2024 9:40:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: I have one of the more recent covers and it’s fairly dark. I was planning to send it to John Thomas along with most of the other small parts and having him blast and redo the manganese phosphate. I don’t know why but manganese phosphate on in industrial level always seems to turn out dark, but the small time stuff always has a nice medium grey look. I can only assume that there’s an additive of some kind. Yes, suspect the industrial level manganese phosphate process also use black darkener to make different batches of Parkerizing more uniform in color. The late gunsmith Dave Berryhill, that was famous for building MEUSOC clone, mentioned that he added blackener in his manganese phosphate finishing to make color more consistent. Cannot control how the final color turns out for each batch without the darkener. |
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Posted: 4/25/2024 11:50:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mlin: Yes, suspect the industrial level manganese phosphate process also use black darkener to make different batches of Parkerizing more uniform in color. The late gunsmith Dave Berryhill, that was famous for building MEUSOC clone, mentioned that he added blackener in his manganese phosphate finishing to make color more consistent. Cannot control how the final color turns out for each batch without the darkener. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mlin: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: I have one of the more recent covers and it’s fairly dark. I was planning to send it to John Thomas along with most of the other small parts and having him blast and redo the manganese phosphate. I don’t know why but manganese phosphate on in industrial level always seems to turn out dark, but the small time stuff always has a nice medium grey look. I can only assume that there’s an additive of some kind. Yes, suspect the industrial level manganese phosphate process also use black darkener to make different batches of Parkerizing more uniform in color. The late gunsmith Dave Berryhill, that was famous for building MEUSOC clone, mentioned that he added blackener in his manganese phosphate finishing to make color more consistent. Cannot control how the final color turns out for each batch without the darkener. when I did my own parking on the stove top , I had a nice mix of Radocy oxide solution and Caswells black oxide ..... turned coal black when finished then I washed it in the sink and soaked it in wd40 then 3-1 oil and got a nice dark grey  Attached File Attached FileThis is Norrell's Colt Moly coat on PSA 2 charging handles that were black ( the grey on the outside is H&R and the black on the outside is the PSA)  Attached FileH&R on Left , Norrell's colt grey on the right  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 8:52:14 AM EDT
[#29]
Apologies if I missed it, but is there an ETA on the CAR-15 brace?
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:59:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PAESAN: Apologies if I missed it, but is there an ETA on the CAR-15 brace? We were told mid-May. I'll post updates when I have them. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 4:27:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: We were told mid-May. I'll post updates when I have them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Originally Posted By PAESAN: Apologies if I missed it, but is there an ETA on the CAR-15 brace? We were told mid-May. I'll post updates when I have them. Right on, thanks. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 6:05:06 PM EDT
[#32]
Gray 9mm 635 uppers are in stock!!!
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:30:57 PM EDT
[#33]
Stripped or only the built ones?
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:36:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neight: Stripped or only the built ones? Stripped. They ran out of some but still have Blems. For some reason I can’t paste the URL. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:48:02 PM EDT
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Ha! Got one, thanks Paradude!
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:02:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neight: Ha! Got one, thanks Paradude! You’re welcome and free Pineland.  |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:05:13 PM EDT
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I have keys to area J.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:53:29 PM EDT
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Oh no, what about the blank adapter for the mortar and the canopy lights for the night jump?!
Damn I miss those days. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:00:46 AM EDT
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Never got any of those prick E7 batteries though.
But if you were in the 313th Bunny Battery I switched yalls lawn mower out with our clapped out Murray! Strike Hold suckers!! |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 4:17:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: We were told mid-May. I'll post updates when I have them. Thanks for the update. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:01:55 PM EDT
[#41]
I need to get grey pins, the trigger and hammer should be grey as well? I may do like others suggested and send pins, mag catch and bolt catch to John Thomas and have them redone in grey. Thanks for the lower Mike! I need to get one of your A1 uppers.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 3:19:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cowbell: I need to get grey pins, the trigger and hammer should be grey as well? I may do like others suggested and send pins, mag catch and bolt catch to John Thomas and have them redone in grey. Thanks for the lower Mike! I need to get one of your A1 uppers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/259822/IMG_1898_jpeg-3199737.JPG I like using parts from Apex gun parts https://www.apexgunparts.com/colt-ar15-m16a1-receiver-pivot-pin-front.html |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:31:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mtomso7464]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cowbell: I need to get grey pins, the trigger and hammer should be grey as well? I may do like others suggested and send pins, mag catch and bolt catch to John Thomas and have them redone in grey. Thanks for the lower Mike! I need to get one of your A1 uppers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/259822/IMG_1898_jpeg-3199737.JPG Try soaking the black pin in vinegar for a few seconds at a time. Leave them too long and it will take all the finish off. If it messes them off send them to John. And to be better you need a D stock. I did the same thing, bought an E stock and had to find a D. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 3:42:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tstetz: Grayish Black Colt Flat I believe it was. Seems to match up well. I painted my black slick slide upper with it too and it seems to be a pretty good match for my H&R gray lower.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 3:44:37 PM EDT
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Mike, do the two rifle stocks come with the buffer tube? Will you offer grey anodized tubes separately?
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Posted: 4/28/2024 7:12:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PeterPangenderPhD]
[#46]
Any idea on when the next run of grey 1/12 XM16E1 or early 604s will be? Soon hopefully...I can't wait. :)
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:13:22 PM EDT
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This may have been asked and answered in the past, but how is the color on the "grey" LPKs currently? Are all the pieces grey or just "major" components (like the selector, bolt catch, trigger guard?)
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 5:51:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mlin]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SrBenelli: This may have been asked and answered in the past, but how is the color on the "grey" LPKs currently? Are all the pieces grey or just "major" components (like the selector, bolt catch, trigger guard?) all the steel LPK parts are in manganese phosphate (very very dark grey to almost charcoal black). Grey anodized parts on magazine release and trigger guard. Mike had mentioned several times that industrial manganese phosphate finish is all they get for the steel LPK parts. Not going to have medium grey finished that most retro folks wish for. You will need to DIY your steel LPK parts for that, or send out to someone like John Thomas to have them refinished with medium grey. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:18:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mike_nds]
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Posted: 4/30/2024 8:33:31 AM EDT
[#50]
Mike, it's truly amazing what you've accomplished at H&R. You've got 8 pages of items in stock, ready to ship.
Will the wood furniture be offered raw & unsanded? Have a laminated wood thumbhole stock that would look good w/ a 9mm dissipator setup w/ those wood handguards. |
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