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Posted: 5/21/2004 2:13:27 PM EDT
I got this in the mail the other day and thought I would show it off. This is IMHO the best fixed BUIS sight made period! Notice that the throw lever is on the RIGHT side. No longer will you jam your hand on a knob while doing speed clears! Also notice that there are no sharp edges and how little rail space it takes up. Very positive windage clicks and the throw lever REALLY holds it tight. Mark @ www.LaRueTactical.com has really done an excellent job of designing this BUIS...
C4 www.gandrtactical.com     |
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Posted: 5/21/2004 2:18:03 PM EDT
[#1]
Pimp yo gat!
Hey the KAC stuff come in? |
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Posted: 5/21/2004 2:19:43 PM EDT
[#2]
Whats w/ the gold on the Larue products. Pimp guns only? Or a legit reason? -Justin
You beat me to the punch. I must learn to type faster. 
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Posted: 5/21/2004 2:19:56 PM EDT
[#3]
That has some potential!
Has pricing been set yet? |
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Posted: 5/21/2004 2:22:47 PM EDT
[#4]
Why would you want a quick release on your BUIS?
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Posted: 5/21/2004 2:53:31 PM EDT
[#5]
No joy on your KAC order...
They use brass on certain parts and it really isn't as shiny as the pic makes it look. Also, if you know anything about brass it will soon be almost black!
Not yet....
Why not? It is as sturdy as any other mounting option and you don't have to carry any Allen wrenches in case you want to get it off in a hurry! The LMT BUIS has a big thumb screw on the side as well so it isn't any different.... C4 |
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Posted: 5/21/2004 3:10:03 PM EDT
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In case anyone is wondering the adjustment is machined specifically to fit a quarter.
Grant is right about the shiny steel. Mine isn't shiny anymore....hasn't been for awhile. This a good sight if you don't want to keep a fixed BUIS on your carbine, but do want to have one that you can QUICKLY put on. It can be a personal preference type thing. Some people go with the method of just using your Aimpoint (if it goes TU) as a large ghost ring for close work. This sight will allow them to keep it, say in their vest, but ready to go. Monty |
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Posted: 5/21/2004 3:12:03 PM EDT
[#7]
What are the benifits of brass? I always thought it was a softer metal? Just for future reference & my own curiosity. Thanks. -Justin
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Posted: 5/21/2004 3:24:39 PM EDT
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Correction on the brass comment. It is heat treated stainless steal. In the future they will be black.
C4 |
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Posted: 5/21/2004 3:48:06 PM EDT
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Is there an elevation adjuster on that thing?
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Posted: 5/21/2004 5:02:18 PM EDT
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I might consider one at that point. Pretty cool otherwise. |
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Posted: 5/21/2004 5:16:27 PM EDT
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Being that low and close to the charginging handle I'm afraid I'd bust a knuckle up.
 Jack |
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Posted: 5/21/2004 5:44:18 PM EDT
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I'm not impressed. |
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Posted: 5/21/2004 6:03:08 PM EDT
[#13]
I dont' see how there could be. everything looks solid. |
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Posted: 5/21/2004 6:17:05 PM EDT
[#14]
No, but it's not the only BUIS out there without an elev. adjust. |
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Posted: 5/21/2004 6:18:27 PM EDT
[#15]
You're not impressed with the sight, or Jack's predictable comment?? |
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Posted: 5/21/2004 7:27:21 PM EDT
[#16]
I would almost have to agree with him/them from the looks of it. Maybe have the lever throw forward instead? |
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Posted: 5/21/2004 7:41:37 PM EDT
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Looks like Larue is set to become a major player in the aftermarket businese. I deffiently like the looks of their product line, and they seem to the adding new items all the time.
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Posted: 5/21/2004 7:58:40 PM EDT
[#18]
I'll take a pass...
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Posted: 5/21/2004 8:07:47 PM EDT
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I've got mixed feelings.
On one hand it looks robust as hell, and I like the fact that you won't have to worry about losing your adjustments (no exposed knob for windage). On the other hand, I normally love throw levers, but on this BUIS it looks a little obtrusive. I'll wait for some more user reports on this one before I jump on the band wagon. But I will say that Larue looks to be a major up and coming player in the AR market. I use a lot of ARMS mounts, but I am seriously thinking of trying out the Larue ACOG and Aimpoint mounts... |
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Posted: 5/21/2004 8:46:04 PM EDT
[#20]
Elevation is done on your front sight post (requested by the ARMY). All of your BUIS's are this way (ARMS, GG&G, TROY, etc).
That's a negative Jack. No worries there. When doing a speed clear (with palm) your knuckle is never in danger. 
Please enlighten me and tell me what is better and why.
The throw lever is completely out of the way. If the lever was on the left hand side I would agree with you.
I have the LaRue ACOG mount as well. Let me just say that is the exact same length as the ARMS #19S, but has TWO Levers instead of one! This gives you much greater retention and doesn't take up any more space on your receiver! C4 |
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Posted: 5/21/2004 9:19:11 PM EDT
[#21]
C4iGrant...
IMO, the LMT BUIS & the ARMS #40 are the standard by which all other BUIS should be judged. Both have proven themselves tough as nails & extremely battle worthy in the real world. The same can't be said for the Larue sight. Not to mention, that exposed nut on all of Larue's products gives me pause, Murphy's Law and all. |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 3:22:06 AM EDT
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Things I like about it:
- It looks solid as hell. - I like throw-lever QD. Things I don't like about it: - The lever IS in the way big-time. I would hit my fingers on it every time I used the charging handle. Interfering with a basic function of the gun is an absolute and immediate deal-breaker. - It sits way too far forward, putting the apertures too far away from the eye. This has been a problem for other similar rear BUIS's, such as the Yankee Hill. In general, I also don't like LaRue throwlever design in general for a number of (pretty obvious) reasons, though I also recognize that its design allows for mounting on out-of-spec rails, whereas the ARMS requires rails held to spec. I absolutely loathe vertically-split rings, which they use on many of their other products. Asthetically, I'm not a fan of the finishes either, but asthetics aren't anywhere close to the top of my priority list. -Troy |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 6:27:28 AM EDT
[#23]
Well the LaRue BUIS is really no different from the LMT except for the fact that it doesn't have the knob in your way, it takes up less space on your receiver and is lighter. The ARMS #40 is a good BUIS (and I sell a lot of them). It does have it issues. LaRue Tactical is the new kid on the block. It will soon find its way into combat soon.
Howdy Troy and thanks for you feedback!  Your comment about the lever being in the way is correct if you are charging the bolt with two fingers. I didn't know that anyone still did it that way. With Tactical Latches available (PRI, Badger, etc) the one finger or palm clear is how it is done. All of the training schools (Gun Sight/BlackWater, etc) that I have either been through or have had friends go through were all taught the palm sweep method for clearing jams. So to me the lever is not in the way at all. Everyone likes what they like and I respect what you like. C4 |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 6:59:29 AM EDT
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I don't like the location of the throw lever or the finish of the windage dial. Tell me again how this is better than an ARMS #40?
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Posted: 5/22/2004 7:34:09 AM EDT
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The location of the throw lever is that way to save your hand during speed clears. Have you ever competed in a three gun match or went through a Tactical Carbine course where speed was of the essence when you had a jam???? The finish will most likely be changed to jet black (the model you see here is a first production). You are comparing apples and oranges. The #40 is a flip up and the Larue is a fixed rear. Feedback from the sand box is telling us that troops are not happing with flip up sights in general. The reason is that sand is getting in there and causing issues with deploying them. A lot of CQB type folks are becoming more interested in a fixed rear sight because in that environment they don't have time to flip ANY lever. If your wanting something to fit under your scope or ACOG, then the Flip Up is the only way to go. If your running an EOTech or Aimpoint I believe that fixed rear sights are a better choice... C4 |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 7:50:13 AM EDT
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Didnt I hear once that the direction of the LaRue throw levers is reversible?
Either way, I only grasp the latch side of the CH anyway... |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 8:03:30 AM EDT
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Troy:
While I agree with you that the verticle-split rings are kind of R2-D2 looking and don't have the esthetic appeal of the currently fashionable Chevy-V8-connecting-rod-end offerings; the LaRue stuff does work (good thing) and it's light weight (good thing). If you take LaRue ring/mount systems apart and noodle around with them for a while, you start to realize that this LaRue guy is a freking design genius. The rings need no lapping as their interface to the mounts allows them to allign perfectly with the scope's axis and still lock down rock-solid. As to the ability to adjust to an out-of-spec rail: One could always make the argument that "You shoulda bought an in-spec uper." While I haven't conducted a rigorous statistical study, I would nevertheless be willing to bet that there are a lot more non-spec than in-spec rails circulating in the system. Using the below LaRue setup (please note that this is rings only; no one-piece mount); I put 5 rounds into 0.64" @ 100 yards with my SR25 using stock Fed 168 gr. match ammo. While 0.64 MOA is nothing shocking in itself; when you consider that I removed and re-mounted the scope between each shot, the experiment does say something about repeatability. I really think you'd be doing yourself a favor by at least giving LaRue products a try. Luck, SD http://www.whitmoreco.com/board/LaRue1.jpg |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 8:04:44 AM EDT
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Not sure about the reversible option (will check). Thanks for your comments! I was beginning to think that I was the only one that charged the bolt or did a clear using just the left side of the Charging Handle!  C4 |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 8:07:09 AM EDT
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C4 |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 8:12:55 AM EDT
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It only makes sense. I rotate the rifle ejection port down when doing clearance drills. I run a couple most range trips with plastic dummy rounds. |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 8:28:38 AM EDT
[#31]
Good idea! Never thought about that before. I usually just stick in a crappy mag that I know won't function!  C4 |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 8:57:01 AM EDT
[#32]
You look over the top of the fixed sight @ the dot? I'm assuming you look through the BUIS, correct. Can you tell I use a flip up BUIS
 -Justin
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Posted: 5/22/2004 9:11:01 AM EDT
[#33]
Good question Justin. You do look over the top. It isn't in your way like you think.... C4 |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 9:11:51 AM EDT
[#34]
Your choice, depending the the mount you use with it. |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 9:16:20 AM EDT
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Any sight is better than another, only if the end user thinks it is. That's all that matters. Comparing this new LaRue sight to the ARMS #40 is like comparing apples and oranges. Apparently some here can't seem to wrap their minds around the fact that the #40 is a FLIP-UP, and the LaRue is a FIXED buis!!! |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 9:17:23 AM EDT
[#36]
More from the flat-Earth society......
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Posted: 5/22/2004 9:19:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2004 6:08:12 PM EDT
[#38]
the sight |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 6:28:07 PM EDT
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Any reason?? C4 |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 6:30:19 PM EDT
[#40]
It doesn't have the swan on it 
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Posted: 5/22/2004 6:33:50 PM EDT
[#41]
C4 |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 6:57:45 PM EDT
[#42]
I don't understand why they put a throwlever on it? If I want a BUIS that doesn't fold then I'm gonna mount it, sight it in and leave it where it is.
When I want to use my BUIS I just manipulate the little lever on my #40. The rifle never leaves firing postion. If I had one of those, I would most likely have it in a pocket somewhere because my Aimpoint is my primary optic and I'd have to fiddle with everything to mount the sight and then use it. Now if they made a carry handle with throwlevers, I would be all over that. |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 7:56:37 PM EDT
[#43]
OK it looks nice and clean, like the QD on the rightside facing back, not sure if I really like it being a QD. Really really like
 the concealed windage knob, but please explain why they did not make it a fully working sight? It is already pretty big, no award there. Just trim down a set of A2 knobs and install them. I am sure the price is at or over 100. The arms 40 is designed to go under a optic (scopes) not behind Aimpoints and EOtechs. You could never put this under a optic so why not make it a fully working sight? it's already close to the size of a LMT or CCH. If you do make it a fully working sight you would have a really really good product, you could conceal all the knobs just like the current windage knob. Until then I pass, there are other products which work better for the same price. A + for effort. D- for execution. |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 8:22:27 PM EDT
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What do you have aaginst a QD sight?? How is it not a fully working sight?? Ifyou mean that it has not elevation adjustment, that is because you use your front post for elev. Why does everyone keep referring to the #40 when talking about this sight It's comparing apples and oranges.Furthermore, I have NO idea why somone would want a BUIS to ride UNDER an optic. To get your #40 into play, you first must take the time to remove your optic. That's efficient!!! Incoming fire does not pause for technical manuevers. This is a BUIS built for fighting, not for posting pics of it on the internet. That is why the military is buying them. To me, it is not anything out of line, size-wise, when compared to the LMT. |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 8:55:11 PM EDT
[#45]
Interesting.  Source? Number of units?
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Posted: 5/22/2004 9:06:33 PM EDT
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I assume you have data to back this up..
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Posted: 5/22/2004 9:32:05 PM EDT
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1. I never said I did not like QDs I have several QD products, I said I am not sure if I like this one. 2. So your saying that pulling out a bullet or finding my FS tool then adjusting my front sight is faster then fliping my QD scope mount off and fliping my rear sight up? Oh I forgot I am under fire! who the hell is going to adjust their sight under fire? 3. I did not say it was out of line, I said it was basiclly the same size. So since it is the same size and we agree on that, why not make it a fully working sight? The LMT is a better product, why try to reinvent the wheel? Why not make this sight a better product by making it a fully adjustable sight? hell I would buy one, it just needs to be improved. |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 10:11:56 PM EDT
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Not that anyone is supposed to care what I think, but I will say that I like the LaRue one-piece scope mount. I'm still not a fan of vertical split rings, but the scope mount doesn't leave the levers in my way, and I like several other things about it, such as the cantilever design and the added elevation. But, hey, there are ARMS and KAC products I don't like too, and ARMS and KAC products that I highly recommend.
I have no stake in what people buy for their rifle. If they ASK for advice, I'm gonna tell them what I think, but it is ultimately each person's decision to equip their rifle as they see fit, as I do mine. -Troy |
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Posted: 5/22/2004 11:49:09 PM EDT
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Hey, without ever having seen one, I can still say its better than the DPMS fixed A2
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Posted: 5/23/2004 3:25:51 AM EDT
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looks pretty stupid in my opinion
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