Posted: 9/1/2004 11:51:55 PM EDT
I remember posting this to the AR15-L but I don't remember posting it here. This is the text of emails between myself and Beryl Meyers of FN. From: Rodger Young [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 8:40 AM To: Beryl Myers Subject: Parts Q
Beryl,
First, let me congratulate FN on being progressive enough to allow their staff to have open email addresses. It truly simplifies things.
We've never spoken before but I'm a regular on many of the online AR15 forums and a fan of FN’s military products.
I worked at Olympic Arms for several years as an assembler, am a US Army trained small arms repairer, and a Colt certified AR Armorer but please don't hold that against me. :D
Cutting to the chase, I see many shops listing "FN" AR15/M16 parts for sale but since I've been told by several reputable sources that FN doesn't sell AR15/M16 parts to the civilian sector I'm curious as to the origin of these parts. Are these deals I see listed simply scams or is there something I'm missing?
There is an ongoing thread regarding this subject on one of the larger forums and I wish to get 'the word' hoping to bring the thread to a close.
Looking forward to your answer,
===== Tweak, WA philogynist WA State Shooters E-List [email protected]
"You may find me one day dead in a ditch somewhere. But by God, you'll find me in a pile of brass." Trooper. M. Padgett
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Subject: RE: Parts Q Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:22:22 -0500 From: "Beryl Myers" <[email protected]> To: [email protected]
Rodger, Thank you for your email. We have become aware of this issue as well, and you are correct, FNMI ONLY produces and sells M16 Type Weapons for and to the US Government. We are prohibited from any other sales based on a Non Disclosure and Non Use Agreement, with the US Government.
The only explanation that we have been able to gather, is that these shop have gone to some of our suppliers who, either from a drawing supplied by that shop or from one of their own, is producing the part and selling it commercially, and that supplier says, that the parts are made to the same quality as FN parts.
I hope that this helps. If not, let me know.
Beryl
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Addendum: AFAIK, FN’s subcontractors are bound by the same Non Disclosure and Non Use agreements as FNMI. That is a government requirement to obtain the Technical Data Package (TDP) containing the prints and procedures for making each item. That means that these subcontractors would be in violation of the TDP agreement if they use the information for something other than what was outlined in their contract with FN. In short, there are no FNMI parts. There may be parts that were "made for FN" but FN never accepted them. The reasons the parts were not accepted by FN could vary. Maybe they're surplus, maybe they're crap rejected by FN. It's disingenuous advertizing at best. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////The following is the text of emails exchanged between an ARF member and Chip Witt of LMT. I've deleted the name and address of the member. You will note that them member only asked about the standard carriers. Per a post on TF regarding a conversation with Karl Lewis, there is still some dispute about this. -----Original Message----- From: Witt, Chip [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:30 PM To: Justin XXXXX Subject: RE: RGA # 156
JUSTIN, WE DO NOT MAG PARTICLE. IF WE DID OUR PRICES WOULD BE MUCH HIGHER. WE HAVE NOT HAD A DOCUMENTED FAILURE THAT I KNOW OF. CHIP
-----Original Message----- From: Justin XXXXXXXXXX Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:42 PM To: Witt, Chip Subject: RE: RGA # XXXXXXX
Chip, been meaning to ask you:
For your standard AR15 bolts: do you do magnetic particle inspection on them?
Are they marked MP, like Colt or FN bolts, and your barrels?
I'd like to purchase a high quality bolt without paying outrageous Colt prices. A lot of others would like to as well.
Have a good one!
J
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To add to this Carl Lewis (OW of LMT) is saying that each and every bolt and barrel made by LMT is MP'd.
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