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Posted: 5/9/2006 6:55:20 PM EDT
[#1]
59 sounds like a good msrp.
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Posted: 5/10/2006 5:57:16 AM EDT
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That sounds fair but I would not pay any more than $59.
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Posted: 5/10/2006 12:24:46 PM EDT
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IMO $45 for hi-cap Saiga 308 mags is a little high. Will people pay it? Some will. But the problem is alot more people would be interested in the Saiga in the first place if moderately priced hicaps were available.
I think an attractive price for 20rd 308 mags would be $35. ETA $60 is too high for domestic 10 rd 12ga mags. Remember, the 8 round mags are $100 because of a lack of supply. I think $39 would be a fair price. |
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Posted: 5/10/2006 12:42:12 PM EDT
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If you sold 8-10rd S-12 mags for $59.00....
I would throw at least 10 mags=$600.00 on my credit card today... I'd even pre-pay. |
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Posted: 5/10/2006 12:59:55 PM EDT
[#5]
I have 2 8rd sagia 12 mags cost 110 each if the knock offs work I would take at least 5
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Posted: 5/10/2006 1:01:27 PM EDT
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At a more realistic $30 price tag a lot more rifles/shotguns would sell.
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Posted: 5/10/2006 3:06:05 PM EDT
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I agree. I think @ $45 and $60, there are alot of people who already have alot of money in their S-12s and S-308s who would snap up the new mags. But after the initial rush, sales would drop. By selling the mags at a more reasonable price, more people would be interested in the Saiga, producing a longer term market IMO. |
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Posted: 5/10/2006 4:50:44 PM EDT
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Thank you for the all the input so far, yes we would love to sell them for the lowest price possible but due to the fact that these would be a speciality item and a low volume seller ,initial development & production cost are going to be high from the factory . Your input is valuable to help us to decide if we want to invest the money to get the projects of the ground & into production. Thank You Atlantic Firearms ,llc
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Posted: 5/10/2006 7:40:41 PM EDT
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If the mags are Reliable ,( especially with Barnaul steel haul ammo, and 10 rounders for the S-12), be reasoably durrable, and plentiful, then you would probably be O.K. at those prices. Although I have a feeling that you would offer them for a little less, the quantity of sales would increase consideralby. Maybe a discount for buying quantity?
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Posted: 5/10/2006 9:11:39 PM EDT
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If the s-12 mag was reliable and durable I'd probably buy a couple. I only have one 8 rounder and it came with the gun when I got it. I cant bring myself to buy any more for 100+, and 60 for a knock-off really isnt tons better. Two authentic 8s for ~200, or 3 domestic mags for ~180. They better be good quality.
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Posted: 5/10/2006 11:06:09 PM EDT
[#11]
If you had some 8-10 S-12 mags made up I would buy a few.
As long as they are Reliable and are reinforced with steel like the OEM mags are. |
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Posted: 5/11/2006 12:37:14 AM EDT
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What a bunch of cheapskates! After all the waiting and false hopes I would gladly buy 2, and probably 3 20 round .308 mags at $45 each.
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Posted: 5/11/2006 4:19:11 AM EDT
[#13]
I'd buy some at $45 each.
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Posted: 5/11/2006 4:33:34 AM EDT
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Cheapskates? Why, because we want to see the US manufactured mags come in at a reasonable price, and not be dictated by the availability of rare foreign imports? |
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Posted: 5/11/2006 4:52:03 AM EDT
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I don't own a .308, but I do own a Saiga12 (or two :) )
I shoot matches with mine. That is where the Hi Caps will sell best. IM SinistralRifleman and ask him how many he'd want :) It's my contention that the 10 round mags will mostly be bought by competitors. At $60 a pop, I'd likely put a couple in my kit and then add one or two more if the matches seem to require it. At $40 a pop I'd replace all of my 8's (assuming that they are as reliable). I'd guess that you are around the "sweet spot" in pricing. One little thing that would be a nice addon would be a removable belt clip. These are a beast to get in and out of holders (usually modified 308 pouches). Make it so you can clip these to your belt and they are much faster to deploy. Make it removable so that when the clip breaks it's a cheap fix. Not sure who your market for the domestic 8 round mags is. They'd help in compliance to 922. They are more compact than the 10 round mags, so some of the SD/HD crowd. If they are less $$ the plinkers may prefer them. For all of my ideas, I expect a .02 cents discount on my first purchase ... Lots of folks have tried to get this done, I'm guessing that demand for these may be a pleasant surprise. |
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Posted: 5/11/2006 5:35:19 AM EDT
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For the 12ga, sure! I need about 3, and it depends on who comes out with good ones.
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Posted: 5/11/2006 6:27:58 AM EDT
[#17]
i'd buy one of the .308 mags at $45,
but i'd probably buy at 3 at $30 |
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Posted: 5/11/2006 7:02:30 AM EDT
[#18]
Well, making them in the US is nearly twice as expensive as going to China to have it done. The upside is better overall quality control, and no delays in shipping across the ocean.
What you guys have to remember is that in todays market, $45 each is not out of line. The manufacturer is not making a killing on each mag but rather has to sell a few thousand to make his money back and a decent profit. But hey, if it was easy, everyone would throw in their $36,720 into a mold and two thousand 20rd mags that fit the 308 Saigas and Veprs. And if it was easy, they would not have been hit with delays until the first delivery in the end of June. |
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Posted: 5/11/2006 7:05:22 AM EDT
[#19]
I would be interested in some S12 mags.
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Posted: 5/11/2006 7:31:20 AM EDT
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I'd pay $60 for a 8-10 round STEEL saiga 12 mag. If it's plastic, I'll stick with the 5 rounders. Cheaper to replace if they get a hole in them.
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Posted: 5/11/2006 8:03:25 AM EDT
[#21]
I would buy a couple of 308 mags for around $45. How much are we paying for 8 rounders? I think the price per round/capacity is reasonable.
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Posted: 5/11/2006 8:14:56 AM EDT
[#22]
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make saiga .308 20rnd mags. i will buy them at 45$ no problem. probaly 10 by the end of the year!
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Posted: 5/11/2006 9:56:33 AM EDT
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Atlantic Firearms-
What about the quality of the magazines? On a scale of one to ten, how would you rate the mags you plan to produce and sell. I won't buy any .308 mags if the quality is poor. If so, I'll just stick with my factory 8 rounders. At $45 bucks apiece I hope they're strong. |
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Posted: 5/11/2006 10:10:26 AM EDT
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At this point we are researching the market to determine what it will cost to finance the endeavor and bring the mags to market, we are now working on determining prototype specification and potential production cost. We can not give you a quality rating until we have produced the initial prototypes and field tested them. We will probably send out a few free mags to select clients for their independent evaluation & review prior to going into full scale production etc. Since we are a Saiga distributor we are very eager to make this happen if at all possible but it will take some time to make it all happen. Thank You Atlantic Firearms,llc |
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Posted: 5/11/2006 10:11:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2006 10:13:49 AM EDT
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Yes it is for real but if you notice we are in the early stages of this and not offering anything for sale and not taking any orders. We will not take any money until we have product to ship and this could be a period of time from now.
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Posted: 5/11/2006 10:17:40 AM EDT
[#27]
- About right. |
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Posted: 5/11/2006 10:27:38 AM EDT
[#28]
My thoughts.
.308 20Rd $30-35 12G 10RD $35-50 What kind of length are we talking? Look into to drums for Siaga 12s please. I would drop $80+ on a 20rd drum. |
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Posted: 5/11/2006 10:58:04 AM EDT
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Given that Vepr 308 mags are $45 for 10 rounders and are not currently available, I think $45 for 20 round mags is fair. 3/$100 would be a sure seller.
We must remember that the $5 FAL or G3 mags are military surplus, not current production. Some questions, 1. Will they be steel or polymer? Steel is probably more durable, but polymer less expensive to produce. 2. Will you guarantee them? We all know that the first run or so always has "issues" here or there. If the mag fails to function because of a manufacture defect, would you fix or replace it at your cost? I am very glad to see a reputable company pursue this. I have a 308 Siaga and offer my services to test some mags, provided I can control myself with a 20 round mag (I run thru ammo slower with 8 round mags!) You will also want to explore this over on the saiga12 website. I'll tack this for awhile too! |
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Posted: 5/11/2006 11:06:37 AM EDT
[#30]
I'd buy a couple or three of the Saiga 12 mags at that price. I'd probably a lot more at a lower price.
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Posted: 5/11/2006 2:11:24 PM EDT
[#31]
hi... i normally post on the saiga12 website....
I would definitely be interested in at least 2 308 mags. |
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Posted: 5/12/2006 4:58:19 AM EDT
[#32]
I have 2 8rd sagia 12 mags
I would love at least 8 10 rounders. |
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Posted: 5/12/2006 12:46:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2006 1:03:57 PM EDT
[#34]
I would also purchase a couple of each. (At least)
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Posted: 5/12/2006 6:40:29 PM EDT
[#35]
Hmmm, I hadn't thought about the compliance parts issue. That means you could keep the original Siaga hammer and use a regular trigger pack just fine, yes? IIRC, the hammer is the trouble spot on a 308 conversion.
This just keeps getting better and better! |
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Posted: 5/13/2006 11:28:01 AM EDT
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I would imagine the 10 round Saiga 12 mags would sell like hotcakes, especially to the 3-gun crowd. If you made a drum for the Saiga 12, I'd just about soil myself with glee.
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Posted: 5/13/2006 3:33:16 PM EDT
[#37]
+1 |
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Posted: 5/14/2006 7:48:46 AM EDT
[#38]
I see more saigas in my future.
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Posted: 5/14/2006 4:21:29 PM EDT
[#39]
I don't own either gun but I would buy 6 of each if they were $30 or under.
$50ea is a little rich. Working in purchasing myself, I would hope your buyers could beat them rusky's down a bit. 
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Posted: 5/14/2006 4:59:29 PM EDT
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Drobs, as I understand it, they are manufacturing the mags themselves, not purchasing them from somewhere else.
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Posted: 5/14/2006 5:38:59 PM EDT
[#41]
Are they actually making them, or still just gauging interest?
R |
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Posted: 5/16/2006 4:28:11 AM EDT
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I would pay $40 - $45 for 20 round 308 mag's - I would want to have at least 5 hi cap mags for 308. For the 12 ga. 8-10 rounders for $50 - $55 would be my price point. We used to pay $45 for 30 year old GI mags for our M1A's - which we will be doing again as the supply has been pretty well picked over. I wouild like to be able to buy quality $25 - 10 rounders - the is all the SVS, SVT's and Romak 3's have and their mags are $75 - $100.
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Posted: 5/16/2006 7:34:52 AM EDT
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+1 on the $25 ten round mags, but if they manufacture the mags themselves, I would think the cost difference between 10 rd and 20 rd would be negligible.
But I would be happy with $25 ten rounders and no twenty's. |
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Posted: 5/23/2006 3:45:36 PM EDT
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sorry to ruin the party folks. I and many others would pay MUCH more for 20rd saiga mags provided they were made for the saiga and not modded from other mags. you could make a mold in days (heck just make the factory mag longer for chrissake!) and pump them out by the thousands.
I paid 55-65 for my 10 rounders a year ago and would nto hesitate to pay up to 75 a mag for 20 rounders. BUT I and many others are nto gonna buy just one, so a 4 or 6 deal might be the best way to extract funds from teh market. (avg out mags and rifle and it's still cheap compared to any similarly capable and reliable platforms) |
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Posted: 5/23/2006 4:40:04 PM EDT
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We are going to try to keep the price as reasonable as possible but it is doubtfull that mags are going to be given away for $25 -$30 bucks, nobody is trying to get rich on this , making $3 bucks or so on mag is not going to buy a private island or a yacht, we hope to have updated info on prices etc in a week or so and we will be glad to keep you guys posted. Thank you for all the intrest & support .Atlantic Firearms,llc
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Posted: 5/23/2006 4:58:23 PM EDT
[#46]
Interesting, that is more than the H&K gen 2 "maritime" AR magazines are going for. It's apples to oranges, of course.
I guess my tastes have changed. FAL magazines are $9.00 for the expensive ones. Good luck though with the hi-caps; you should advertise this on the Saiga-12 board, BTW. |
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Posted: 5/24/2006 5:58:19 AM EDT
[#47]
$59 would be competitive on the S-12 mags. Consider offering a discount for multiple orders.
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Posted: 5/24/2006 6:01:01 AM EDT
[#48]
exactly, who'se gonna buy just one, especialyl when they first come out. If the saiga mags come out, I'd buy at least 8. at least. |
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Posted: 5/24/2006 6:52:56 AM EDT
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I feel the same way. $60 mags for a $350 gun just kills it for me. I would rather pay twice as much for a PTR and have reliable mags for $5 or less. I second TK's good luck to you. |
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Posted: 5/24/2006 6:56:20 AM EDT
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I guess I'm willing to pay for the most reliable platfoprm out there. In the end, a 350 gun and 10 mags is a grand, a PTR and 10 mags is about that, no? |
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