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I'll have to look into this some more. I also carry a G19. 33rnd mags are nothing to shake a stick at.
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Yep, I have always thought highly of them as well.
It's on my list of several thousand guns I hope to some day own |
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i've been thinking about getting one of these as well but I shoot lefty and have heard a few leftys say that they get a face full of crap for every round shot. anyone here know if this is true?
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I have been considering one, but I can't find the Beretta version in my dealer's catalogs, I may have to get one over the net I guess.
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KelTec makes a version of the sub2000 that takes beretta mags. |
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I think you mean the Keltec that takes Beretta Mags right? Max |
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I had one and I agree that it is one cool litle gun. Very reliable and quite accurate. I wasn't real fond of the trigger that can best be described as squishy.The real reason I let it go is the sights. For me they were mounted a hair low. I was forced to mash my face in a real hard cheek weld to get a proper sight picture.I guess I have a fat head or something. Point being one should check out the gun carefully to see how the sight picture works for you before purchase. I was actually about to cast up some lead weights to fit in the plastic front handguard to give it more foward weight as I thought at the time this might help keep the sights on target for faster follow up shots. I was playing with this gun at carbine plate shoots and being blowback and such a light unit it does hop around some as the bolt slaps back and forth. Fun gun!
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Kel-Tec is a small shop and they make their products is "batches," retooling the factory for whatever they are making at a given time. They may make P-32s and Sub2000s for a few months, and then maybe P-11s and .223 rifles for a while, etc. Thye haven't made a batch of Sub2000s in a few months, so new ones are kind of hard to find right now. I checked with a dozen dealers and several distributors and nobody had the GLOCK model I wanted. Luckily, I found one on the EE. They should be doing a run of carbines any time now. |
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I handled a used one in .40 at a local fun shop a few months ago.
I liked the way it handled, do not care for the .40 since I too have a G19 and a lot of mags. IIRC the price was $250 with a bag of some sort. I believe there is a company that produces some accessories for the line, Blue Code, maybe?? Thanks for posting your pics, I am intrigued. |
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KIller setup. Do the Glock 19 mags fit it or are you just using G17 mags
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There is a G19 model, but my carbine is a G17 version. I use 17, 19 and 33 round mags in the carbine, and I always carry the larger 17 and 19 round mags as spares for my G19. |
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I just picked up a Glock 22 version of the Sub-2000. Neat little carbine. I have not shot it yet. The first thing I noticed is it needs a Hogue slip-on grip. The grip has sharp edges and there is some kind of cut-out near the bottom front that digs in my hand. Easy fix though. I ordered a metal charging handle and stock tube cover from Blue Force Gear. They used to make a metal front sight base that clamped on the barrel and took AR15 sight posts, but they discontinued it. The plastic FSB is the one thing I am leery about. Also, it has a manual bolt hold open, but it does not lock back on an empty mag. For $250, I had to have one. Heck, I may buy another for my other vehicle's trunk. |
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i've thought about getting one too. i wonder what the legalities of carrying something like that around in a bag are though... i feel like the MAN could get you for something. |
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Not in Kentucky. My CCDW permit allows me to carry concealed any deadly weapon I can legally own. Auto knives, SBRs AOWs, SMGs, even explosives are listed in the statute. |
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Went shooting today. Unfortunately, I was not all that impressed. As someone mentioned earlier, the sights do sit too low to get a good sight picture. I had kind of tilt my head sideways to line up my eye w/ the sights. Also, the metal tube on your cheek is not comfortable. I have ordered a plastic cover for it made by Blue Force Gear, but I am afraid that my raise my cheek weld even more. My carbine was about 3 feet high and right at 75 yds. I forgot to bring the manual, and I couldnt figure out how to get the sights right. I moved the front sight back and forth, put it never put my shots on target. I had several FTF's using WWB and CCI blazer brass and 3 different new Glock mags. The round would not seat all the way, forcing me to push forward on the charging handle to get it to set in. This happened about 6-8 times in 200rds. I think I may polish the feedramps and just give it time to break in... The LOP is too long. With a little carbine like this, I wanted to het into a CQB stance, but could not. The stock kept working its way up my shoulder, until it was nearly sitting ontop my shoulder. Then the sharp bottom corner of the stock would dig in my shoulder. Overall, if I can get it on paper at 50-75yds, I'll keep it. The quality seems ok, for a $250 gun. All my gripes are design related. Raise up the sights and shorten the LOP by 3 inches or so, and it would be GTG. |
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The sight height works fine for me, but having the LOP 2-3" shorter couldn't hurt. |
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Was your gun pretty much on-paper out of the box? I moved my front sight (the elevation adjustment is cheesy as hell), but my shots didnt seem to move much. |
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It was a few inches low on POI, but I got it on with about 12-15 shots. |
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I guess I am lucky, my was about 2 inches to the left and all it took was 1/2 a turn to bring it to the right and that was it. I love this thing. It folds so nicely that it almost looks illegal.
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Something like that is what Glock should make if they would get their head out of their ass. They wouldn't be able to keep them in stock for at least the first year or two. I don't know what in the hell they are thinking? |
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It would be nice if they came out with a bullpup version. That would make it even more compact without having to fold the gun in half.
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That wouldn't work. The gun is only 30" long as it is. If the bullpup was less than 26" long, it would have to be registered as an NFA weapon. |
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I've had one before, but I coukdn't aim with 'cause the stock was so short...
Maybe I'll get another one and put a laser on it. |
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Does the cocking knob/handle reciprocate on these when firing?
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yes |
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Never any issues with that knob catching on gear when firing? I was really looking at these, exactly as the model described to go with my Glock, and because I think my 9mm AR is clumsy and overly heavy (Oly system with Sten mags, load that sucker onto a normally light/handy AR, and now it weighs 11 pounds, might as well have an M14). This Sub-2000 looks light and handy. Maybe needs a few mods, but interesting.
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Only problems I have ever heard of with the charging handle were people who were shooting from a bench with their hand under the stock. It is not a problem at all in normal firing. |
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I am a little confused. If you can use 19 magazines in a G17 model, what's different about the G19 model? |
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I have one that takes the S&W mags, amazing piece of plastic.
Great little gun for taking out dillos when I' out walking our property. Once, and I have witnesses, about 4 of my buddies and I were out walking on the property that my family owns, doing a little target practive and what not. My buddy who was carrying my KelTec noticed a squirrel at the top of a very large oak, he took aim and dropped that little bastard with the last round in the mag. |
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You can use G17 mags in the G19 model, but not the other way around. The carbine made to take G19 mags has a shorter grip. |
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Right, and that's why I was confused. When you said you use 19 ones, I thought you were referring to G19 mags. Bad attention to detail on my part. ETA: Based on the picture, it seems that the G19 model would have a very small grip. Have you handled one? |
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Yes, and it does indeed have a very small grip about the length of a G26 grip. I could only get a two finger grip on it and I have fairly small hands. |
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Hmmm, I never considered buying one of those......do they have a rail for optics on top?
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