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Posted: 1/13/2024 9:21:11 PM EDT
I've shot 250 rounds total. First 150 were through an FN 57 (got in trade). Sold it because I was "meh".
Got a deal on a Ruger 5.7 and got it because I had ammo. I've shot 100 through it. After 250 rounds total, I just don't get it. Was the 5.7 just a solution looking for a market? |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2024 9:28:15 PM EDT
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I have a threaded rock with a holosun. Every one that shoots it,love it. It didn't cost a lot and has no recoil. It's fun to shoot.
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USA
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Posted: 1/13/2024 9:34:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Cantshootstrate: I've shot 250 rounds total. First 150 were through an FN 57 (got in trade). Sold it because I was "meh". Got a deal on a Ruger 5.7 and got it because I had ammo. I've shot 100 through it. After 250 rounds total, I just don't get it. Was the 5.7 just a solution looking for a market? It was the last gasp of the NATO PDW program that had been stewing for a long time. "Armor piercing " was the main claim to fame. Then the Soviets went away... |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 9:44:13 PM EDT
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That makes sense.
.mil solution for a specific problem |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 10:22:47 PM EDT
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Reading up on the 2009 Fort Hood shooting will tell you all you need to know about the 5.7 After dispensing a high rate of wounds the shooter was taken out of the fight with a plain ol 9mm.
The closest I've come to buying one was a FN P90. It was Kel-Tec level innovation but FN quality. I said when they make that gun in any other caliber I'd get one. 20+ years later and I'm still waiting. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 7:57:50 AM EDT
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Own the PS90 & pistol both. Love them. Accurate, good bullet energy & flat shooting out to 100 yards with the pistol.
20rd mags for the pistol that's a flush fit, 50rd mags for the rifle. What's not to love? 
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Posted: 1/14/2024 12:11:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Tomac]
[#6]
Petite spousal unit loved her PS90, we sold it some years ago.
Just picked up a Ruger LC Carbine in 5.7x28 for her to try as a replacement. The 5.7 round isn't my first choice in a defensive cartridge, but it's a lot better than harsh language.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2024 10:04:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: xoldsmugglerx]
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I have a PS90 and a five-seven.
The 5.7x28 is great caliber for a PDW. It gives rear echelon troops a lot better capability than a 9mm pistol without hindering portability with a full-size carbine or rifle. It's the same concept that created the M1 Carbine 50 years earlier.. I honestly feel the 5.7x28 P90 is not nearly as good of a PDW as an HK MP7 though. The MP7 is an Uzi layout with the magazine in the grip. It can be carried in a leg holster similar to a pistol and then deployed into a mini carbine. The P90 on the other hand is typically carried slung like a carbine would be. So the P90 doesn't really have a huge advantage over something like a Mk18. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 12:14:55 AM EDT
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I have the FN pistol and carbine. If I had to keep only one it would be the PS90, it's just such an odd little rifle and a lot of fun to shoot.
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Posted: 1/15/2024 8:24:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DogtownTom]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K357Mag: Reading up on the 2009 Fort Hood shooting will tell you all you need to know about the 5.7 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K357Mag: Reading up on the 2009 Fort Hood shooting will tell you all you need to know about the 5.7 Huh? Unless you have autopsy reports, there isn't anything I've read about the Ft Hood shooting that shows the 5.7 as being better/worse than any other centerfire round. The thirteen killed, twelve were shot COM, with one being shot in the head. After dispensing a high rate of wounds What does "high rate of wounds" mean? I'm genuinely curious. Of the thirty two wounded, several were struck only in their extremities. That's not due to being 5.7, but marksmanship. Ft Hood casualties the shooter was taken out of the fight with a plain ol 9mm. Irrelevant. But it took four rounds to do so. The closest I've come to buying one was a FN P90. Yup, the only one that interests me too. I'm generally not interested because of the price of ammunition. I'm not being convinced the 5.7 out of a pistol is more effective than a 9mm handgun. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 9:01:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: What does "high rate of wounds" mean? I'm genuinely curious. In the Virginia Tech shooting two years earlier there were 32 killed and 17 injured using a .22 and 9mm. Or nearly twice as many killed than injured. The data for Ft. Hood I'm seeing says 13 killed and 32 injured or more than twice as many injured than killed when a 5.7 was used. Yes, there were many other factors that contributed to those numbers. I concede the term "all you need to know" was over stated. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 9:04:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K357Mag: In the Virginia Tech shooting two years earlier there were 32 killed and 17 injured using a .22 and 9mm. Or nearly twice as many killed than injured. The data for Ft. Hood I'm seeing says 13 killed and 32 injured or more than twice as many injured than killed when a 5.7 was used. Yes, there were many other factors that contributed to those numbers. I concede the term "all you need to know" was over stated. Thanks |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2024 12:06:48 PM EDT
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If Glock made a 5.7, it would make more sense. Assuming you lived in the hood and had easy access to a switch.
Add some type of Flux kit and you are on to something. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/6/2024 12:09:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panthermark: If Glock made a 5.7, it would make more sense. Assuming you lived in the hood and had easy access to a switch. Add some type of Flux kit and you are on to something. Well, this thread just got easier to fap to!  5.7 fills a niche they didn't realize needed filling: People who can't handle recoil. You see, the ex had really bad carpal tunnel syndrome. After 3rnds of 9mm, her hands would go tingly and numb. After 5rnds, she had issues holding the gun. .22lr was what she decided she had to rely on. The 5.7 was a game changer for her. She was able to empty an entire magazine into a targets face at 50ft without any issues and it hits harder than a .22lr (FN 5.7 40gr Vmax - 268ftlbs vs CCI Velocitor .22lr 40gr -183 ftlbs...numbers are from the companies websites). To you and I, that doesnt seem like a whole lot of difference. The main thing it gave her? Confidence. She felt like she could take care of herself, if needed. That boost psychologically might be what she needs if she has to defend herself. I would carry a 5.7, if they had one small enough to conceal. But, as always...YMMV. |
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Posted: 3/6/2024 12:24:54 AM EDT
[#14]
One of my favorite guns to shoot
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WV, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2024 4:19:26 AM EDT
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Frankly I wish I never sbr’d my ps90. Anemic round that I only keep around due to my 12yo who likes the low recoil and the cool look. Very expensive ammo for the decent stuff. Last time he shot it was about a 600.00 range day. Luckily I stacked green tip ss198lf deep years ago.
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USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 8:08:18 PM EDT
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I have a PSA Rock I really like. I'm a firm believer in shoot what you like. I personally have no use for a .40 but no people you do
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:40:00 PM EDT
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I watched 100s of hours of YouTube videos (well, maybe 10s) about the 5.7. Everyone lauded its capabilities! Its a better 9mm! More rounds! Softer shooting! Longer range with a flat trajectory! What's not to like?!
So I schemed. I was going all in on 5.7. It would replace my primary HD SBR, my daily carry. I'd even add a PDW to my arsenal! There was no role it couldn't or wouldn't do. I even posted a thread about it.  The other day I was at my LGS, meeting a guy about a thing. As I was leaving, I remembered they did gun rentals. Awesome! I thought. I'd rent a 5.7 and confirm my bias. As I was standing near the full auto rental side, I saw a CMMG Banshee and decided to rent that. On the lane, I loaded the first of two 20 round mags. As I moved the selector switch from Safe to Semi, I watched my lane and then proceeded to fire a few rounds. Wow! I stopped, put it back on safe and put the Banshee down. I checked the mags as well as the ammo box to make sure I was shooting 5.7. I thought they had maybe given me a Banshee in 5.56. Nope. Five-seveN. Hmmm. Not exactly soft shooting and certainly not less so than a 9mm PCC. Finished up that mag and the 2nd mag firing bursts on auto. Not impressed with what everyone insisted was a very soft shooting round. I changed my mind. I'll probably still end up getting a Ruger LC Charger. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 11:49:39 PM EDT
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My PS90 SBR has almost no recoil. Probably depends on the operating system… I think the round really shines out of the 10” barrel because it’s moving around 500 fps faster than out of a handgun IIRC with SS195 or SS198 which are basically all I shoot. So at CQB distances this translates to over 400 ft lbs of energy on target with no over penetration (means it’s all dumped into said target) which is not a bad thing. The wounding mechanism for these rounds is yawing because of the alloy core so this is how they can penetrate some soft armor but not more than 12” of soft tissue. I have an MP5 SBR and would pick the 90 over it probably for home defense. I’d definitely recommend the 90 to a female over the MP5. I’m not really a fan of the Ruger or CMMG stuff though… Just don’t like the form factor. I kinda like the S&W pistol though.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2024 6:36:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Actiondiver]
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PS90 is a PDW that is near perfect for the personal defense roll when you might only have one hand available due to driving or carrying a child, on foot for a long time, otherwise working, etc & wanting/needing lots of rounds on tap before a reload.
Most ne'er-do-wells are not going to be pressing an attack as 50 rounds of this are on the way towards their face. I say face as it's so easy to shoot there's not much reason to miss at self-defense distance. It is small, lightweight, & with a TROS mounted mini ACOG very easy to get hits out to 200. It's so lightweight & minimal recoil my MIL who weights 105 & stricken with arthritis can easily handle it. The ammo is so lightweight, 50 rounds is 10oz & only about 40% bigger than a box of 22LR. IIRC the PS90 should be a 100,000 round gun too. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2024 7:03:18 PM EDT
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Had a PS90 & a Rock 5.7. Sold both & all the ammo. Sadly, not nearly as enjoyable as I wanted it to be
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Posted: 4/1/2024 8:24:55 AM EDT
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I have sold 4 of my 5 5.7 pistols and plan on only keeping my LC Carbine, the wife can handle the LC carbine much easier than the AR and from a 16" barrel the round has a little more oomph.
I'm going to just stick to 9mm pistols and a 380 for pocket carry. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 9:24:22 AM EDT
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It fills a niche. If you need that niche filled then it’s great. I like the ps90 for its compactness and light recoil. My wife enjoys it and doesn’t enjoy other rifles so it makes a logical HD weapon for her. Ammunition capability varies quite a bit and barrel length plays a big factor in that. I am planning to SBR one of the PS90s and throw a can on it.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2024 2:53:44 PM EDT
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I really want the LC carbine. Just haven't done it yet. It's hard for me to spend the money on a gun when I rarely get to shoot the ones I have.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:14:25 PM EDT
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If I could get a P90 in .30 Carbine I might buy one.
5.7 does nothing for me in a rifle or handgun |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:19:23 PM EDT
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I think the 5.7x28 and the .22 TCM would both be great in a mini sized bolt action rifle like the CZ 527 or Zastava M85 mini Mauser.
Neither does anything the .22 Hornet won’t do as well or very slightly better in a 20” rifle, but they are more modern rounds that are more available, and for less money. They would be awesome neighbor friendly short range (200-250 yards) Varmint rounds. .22 TCM is about 1/4th the cost of .22 Hornet and 5.7x28 is about 1/3rd the cost. In a handgun? Not so much. 5.7x28 offers great magazine capacity but .22 TCM is compatible with 9mm platforms. And along that 9mm compatibility line, I’d love to see an MP5 in .22 TCM. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 8:24:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DakotaFAL: I think the 5.7x28 and the .22 TCM would both be great in a mini sized bolt action rifle like the CZ 527 or Zastava M85 mini Mauser. Neither does anything the .22 Hornet won’t do as well or very slightly better in a 20” rifle, but they are more modern rounds that are more available, and for less money. They would be awesome neighbor friendly short range (200-250 yards) Varmint rounds. .22 TCM is about 1/4th the cost of .22 Hornet and 5.7x28 is about 1/3rd the cost. In a handgun? Not so much. 5.7x28 offers great magazine capacity but .22 TCM is compatible with 9mm platforms. And along that 9mm compatibility line, I’d love to see an MP5 in .22 TCM. It gets so old when people keep comparing 5.7x28 ammo to those .22 stuff. 5.7x28 Elite S4 ammo Pistol - 2,500 P90 - 3,100 PS90 - 3,400 5.7x28 Elite ProtecTOR I ammo Pistol - 2,000 P90 - 2,538 PS90 - 2,762 5.6x28 Elite DevestaTOR ammo Pistol - 2,390 P90 - 2,860 PS90 - 3,100 |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:15:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ebolinux: It gets so old when people keep comparing 5.7x28 ammo to those .22 stuff… And only $3+ a round huh? May as well switch to another caliber. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:26:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ebolinux: It gets so old when people keep comparing 5.7x28 ammo to those .22 stuff. 5.7x28 Elite S4 ammo Pistol - 2,500 P90 - 3,100 PS90 - 3,400 5.7x28 Elite ProtecTOR I ammo Pistol - 2,000 P90 - 2,538 PS90 - 2,762 5.6x28 Elite DevestaTOR ammo Pistol - 2,390 P90 - 2,860 PS90 - 3,100 That's nice. If I'm reading their site right, all three are unavailable. 
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:33:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin: That's nice. If I'm reading their site right, all three are unavailable. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin: Originally Posted By Ebolinux: It gets so old when people keep comparing 5.7x28 ammo to those .22 stuff. 5.7x28 Elite S4 ammo Pistol - 2,500 P90 - 3,100 PS90 - 3,400 5.7x28 Elite ProtecTOR I ammo Pistol - 2,000 P90 - 2,538 PS90 - 2,762 5.6x28 Elite DevestaTOR ammo Pistol - 2,390 P90 - 2,860 PS90 - 3,100 That's nice. If I'm reading their site right, all three are unavailable. Not to mention stupid expensive. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:38:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: John-in-austin]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zardoz: Not to mention stupid expensive. That's what has always made me chuckle about 5.7 fanboys. "If you buy this magic milk chocolate and caramel bullet that can only be purchased on the first Monday spring equinox, (Limit three boxes) it's almost as good as a common, dirt cheap pistol cartridge! Financing available!" 5.7 has a place. It's an excellent light varmit round. Stick that thing in a lightweight bolt action rifle sized along the lines of a Ruger American rimfire and they'll sell like mad. Not up to the power of a 22 Hornet, but a lot more available and easier to stack in a magazine. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 1:02:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin: That's what has always made me chuckle about 5.7 fanboys. "If you buy this magic milk chocolate and caramel bullet that can only be purchased on the first Monday spring equinox, (Limit three boxes) it's almost as good as a common, dirt cheap pistol cartridge! Financing available!" 5.7 has a place. It's an excellent light varmit round. Stick that thing in a lightweight bolt action rifle sized along the lines of a Ruger American rimfire and they'll sell like mad. Not up to the power of a 22 Hornet, but a lot more available and easier to stack in a magazine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin: Originally Posted By Zardoz: Not to mention stupid expensive. That's what has always made me chuckle about 5.7 fanboys. "If you buy this magic milk chocolate and caramel bullet that can only be purchased on the first Monday spring equinox, (Limit three boxes) it's almost as good as a common, dirt cheap pistol cartridge! Financing available!" 5.7 has a place. It's an excellent light varmit round. Stick that thing in a lightweight bolt action rifle sized along the lines of a Ruger American rimfire and they'll sell like mad. Not up to the power of a 22 Hornet, but a lot more available and easier to stack in a magazine. The Ruger American Micro Scout with ten round rotary mags that fit flush lol they’d sell a million of them. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 1:22:50 AM EDT
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If I spent more time out in the desert around here I think a 5.7 with a dot would be a great walking around pistol. For most uses I don't really get it. The only gun I'd really want is a P90 but that's not possible and if it were I'd still rather have it in 9mm
Originally Posted By Gunnie357: The Ruger American Micro Scout with ten round rotary mags that fit flush lol they’d sell a million of them. Man I don't know. I like weird stuff but that's niche of the niche. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 1:35:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: If I spent more time out in the desert around here I think a 5.7 with a dot would be a great walking around pistol. For most uses I don't really get it. The only gun I'd really want is a P90 but that's not possible and if it were I'd still rather have it in 9mm Man I don't know. I like weird stuff but that's niche of the niche. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: If I spent more time out in the desert around here I think a 5.7 with a dot would be a great walking around pistol. For most uses I don't really get it. The only gun I'd really want is a P90 but that's not possible and if it were I'd still rather have it in 9mm Originally Posted By Gunnie357: The Ruger American Micro Scout with ten round rotary mags that fit flush lol they’d sell a million of them. Man I don't know. I like weird stuff but that's niche of the niche. Use a full length rail or have traditional optics placement option and a scout rail so guys are able to scope how they please, slapping scout on it is like labeling something tactical. People will buy it because it says it in the name. Market it as a light handy varmint rifle you can beat up in the utv or the tractor. Or maybe im just up late lol |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 5:03:35 AM EDT
[#34]
I could see that.
I used to use 22 Hornet as my walking varmint rifle when we went prairie dog hunting. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 5:46:36 AM EDT
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I think a lot of the intent behind rounds like 5.7x28 and 4.6x30 is using them in a full auto application where you can mag dump a room with very little recoil or over penetration. Some of the reports coming from the use of the MP7 in Iraq and Afghanistan don’t really paint these types of rounds in a positive light. Heavy clothing or blankets were known to stop rounds as did furniture like couches and wooden shelves/dressers. Range was an issue as well. Using those types of rounds in a semi auto seems like an even worse proposition since you get all the negatives without the positive advantage of light recoil under full auto. A lot of people who like 5.7 point to the Ft Hood shooting as proof of the rounds effectiveness. I don’t really see it that way. At point blank ranges he fired over 200 rounds and most of the people wounded survived their wounds. I think the round has a place but for me at least self defense just isn’t one of those applications. However there are plenty of people who are perfectly fine with carrying a .22LR for SD. For those types of people I can see the appeal of something like the 5.7x28.
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Posted: 5/4/2024 7:49:27 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DakotaFAL: I think the 5.7x28 and the .22 TCM would both be great in a mini sized bolt action rifle like the CZ 527 or Zastava M85 mini Mauser. Neither does anything the .22 Hornet won’t do as well or very slightly better in a 20” rifle, but they are more modern rounds that are more available, and for less money. They would be awesome neighbor friendly short range (200-250 yards) Varmint rounds. .22 TCM is about 1/4th the cost of .22 Hornet and 5.7x28 is about 1/3rd the cost. In a handgun? Not so much. 5.7x28 offers great magazine capacity but .22 TCM is compatible with 9mm platforms. And along that 9mm compatibility line, I’d love to see an MP5 in .22 TCM. Rock Island imports the ARMCOR .22 TCM bolt gun that takes their double stack pistol mags. @PursuitSS |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 8:29:29 AM EDT
[#37]
If PSA ever brings their X57 5.7 pistol-wi-built-in-brace to market, it may make a convert out of me.
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Posted: 5/4/2024 8:32:21 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK318: I think a lot of the intent behind rounds like 5.7x28 and 4.6x30 is using them in a full auto application where you can mag dump a room with very little recoil or over penetration. Some of the reports coming from the use of the MP7 in Iraq and Afghanistan don’t really paint these types of rounds in a positive light. Heavy clothing or blankets were known to stop rounds as did furniture like couches and wooden shelves/dressers. Range was an issue as well. Using those types of rounds in a semi auto seems like an even worse proposition since you get all the negatives without the positive advantage of light recoil under full auto. A lot of people who like 5.7 point to the Ft Hood shooting as proof of the rounds effectiveness. I don’t really see it that way. At point blank ranges he fired over 200 rounds and most of the people wounded survived their wounds. I think the round has a place but for me at least self defense just isn’t one of those applications. However there are plenty of people who are perfectly fine with carrying a .22LR for SD. For those types of people I can see the appeal of something like the 5.7x28. I’ve never understood the MP7 love. People who have used them say you need the whole mag to stop a bad guy, but one YouTuber said “Now that I’ve been able to shoot an MP7, I can die a happy man.”  |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2024 10:22:55 AM EDT
[#39]
I like my Ruger LC Charger. It’s an ok range toy when I find ammo on sale.
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Posted: 5/4/2024 11:13:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PursuitSS]
[#40]
I carried my FN MK II the last few years On Duty!
And yes, it was loaded with “Boutique ammo” (Elite S4) I currently own 7 5.7 pistols FN USG FN MK II FN MK III MRD Ruger 57 PSA ROCK (2) S&W 5.7 Of these I prefer the S&W over all the others, I dislike the Ruger the most. According to experts Hydrostatic Shock begins at 1,800 - 2,000 fps, I’ve clocked Elite S4 out of my FN MK II at an average of 2,400 fps! If you were around when the M-16 was adopted, everyone was saying it the 5.56 round was WAY UNDERPOWERED. Now hardly anyone thinks that, hell Col Jeff Cooper referred to the 5.56 as a “Poodle Shooter”. I’m firmly convinced of its ability IF FED THE CORRECT AMMO. The female Police Officer who shot at Fort Hood had her Femur SHATTERED into 120 pieces from a shot from FN SS197 (one of the WEAKEST rounds in the caliber) |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 2:43:18 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Rock Island imports the ARMCOR .22 TCM bolt gun that takes their double stack pistol mags. @PursuitSS Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By DakotaFAL: I think the 5.7x28 and the .22 TCM would both be great in a mini sized bolt action rifle like the CZ 527 or Zastava M85 mini Mauser. Neither does anything the .22 Hornet won’t do as well or very slightly better in a 20” rifle, but they are more modern rounds that are more available, and for less money. They would be awesome neighbor friendly short range (200-250 yards) Varmint rounds. .22 TCM is about 1/4th the cost of .22 Hornet and 5.7x28 is about 1/3rd the cost. In a handgun? Not so much. 5.7x28 offers great magazine capacity but .22 TCM is compatible with 9mm platforms. And along that 9mm compatibility line, I’d love to see an MP5 in .22 TCM. Rock Island imports the ARMCOR .22 TCM bolt gun that takes their double stack pistol mags. @PursuitSS Have you seen any recently? Seems like it has been forever since I saw them listed anywhere. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 2:44:36 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK318: I think a lot of the intent behind rounds like 5.7x28 and 4.6x30 is using them in a full auto application where you can mag dump a room with very little recoil or over penetration. Some of the reports coming from the use of the MP7 in Iraq and Afghanistan don’t really paint these types of rounds in a positive light. Heavy clothing or blankets were known to stop rounds as did furniture like couches and wooden shelves/dressers. Range was an issue as well. Using those types of rounds in a semi auto seems like an even worse proposition since you get all the negatives without the positive advantage of light recoil under full auto. A lot of people who like 5.7 point to the Ft Hood shooting as proof of the rounds effectiveness. I don’t really see it that way. At point blank ranges he fired over 200 rounds and most of the people wounded survived their wounds. I think the round has a place but for me at least self defense just isn’t one of those applications. However there are plenty of people who are perfectly fine with carrying a .22LR for SD. For those types of people I can see the appeal of something like the 5.7x28. That's why I said P90. They are pretty controllable. At the end of the day I'm just not sure you gain much over something like a Rattler. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/4/2024 6:29:31 PM EDT
[#43]
I love my PS90 SBR. No recoil and so light despite holding 50 rounds.
I remember shooting some watermelons with either FN 197SR or American Eagle ammo. The very first watermelon I shot shocked me: it turned into a pink mist. Nothing left of it. This is supposed to be weak plinking ammo, but it turned the watermelon into mist. I’ve attempted to recreate it and haven’t been able to do so. It just pokes clean little holes in the melons. I wish the newer 5.7 ammo that’s recently come out by different brands was hotter. 5.7 really shines at 2,200 fps. I plan to add an FN and S&W pistol to my collection. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:22:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Have you seen any recently? Seems like it has been forever since I saw them listed anywhere. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By DakotaFAL: I think the 5.7x28 and the .22 TCM would both be great in a mini sized bolt action rifle like the CZ 527 or Zastava M85 mini Mauser. Neither does anything the .22 Hornet won’t do as well or very slightly better in a 20” rifle, but they are more modern rounds that are more available, and for less money. They would be awesome neighbor friendly short range (200-250 yards) Varmint rounds. .22 TCM is about 1/4th the cost of .22 Hornet and 5.7x28 is about 1/3rd the cost. In a handgun? Not so much. 5.7x28 offers great magazine capacity but .22 TCM is compatible with 9mm platforms. And along that 9mm compatibility line, I’d love to see an MP5 in .22 TCM. Rock Island imports the ARMCOR .22 TCM bolt gun that takes their double stack pistol mags. @PursuitSS Have you seen any recently? Seems like it has been forever since I saw them listed anywhere. Haven't been looking for em. You've checked Gunbroker? You can ping RIA & see who they're shipping em to. They have an FFL they sell their .38 Supers direct to the public through. 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:47:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnnyLoco]
[#45]
I can see the use for a rancher near the border who wants to tote a lot of low recoiling rounds in a handgun. To me it also is a great potential option for a lightweight home defense carbine or ranch/survival rifle. It would be cool if there were an mcx/mpx “regulator” version with the magpul stock or even a ruger pc carbine. The lc carbine seems cool though.
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MP, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 8:24:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PursuitSS: I carried my FN MK II the last few years On Duty! And yes, it was loaded with “Boutique ammo” (Elite S4) I currently own 7 5.7 pistols FN USG FN MK II FN MK III MRD Ruger 57 PSA ROCK (2) S&W 5.7 Of these I prefer the S&W over all the others, I dislike the Ruger the most. According to experts Hydrostatic Shock begins at 1,800 - 2,000 fps, I’ve clocked Elite S4 out of my FN MK II at an average of 2,400 fps! If you were around when the M-16 was adopted, everyone was saying it the 5.56 round was WAY UNDERPOWERED. Now hardly anyone thinks that, hell Col Jeff Cooper referred to the 5.56 as a “Poodle Shooter”. I’m firmly convinced of its ability IF FED THE CORRECT AMMO. The female Police Officer who shot at Fort Hood had her Femur SHATTERED into 120 pieces from a shot from FN SS197 (one of the WEAKEST rounds in the caliber) Have you used the 5.7 to stop a threat? |
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