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Quoted: Buy one, go to the range, and tell us how yours runs. Not all of us have time to get to the range the day the gun shows up. Sven Manticore Arms View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I was going to grab one of these as soon as they dropped, but got impatient and grabbed a couple of Polish AK pistols. Still going to grab one, but now I'm going to wait until the CHF/CL barrels come out. Any bugs should be long since worked out by then.
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Quoted: Not all of us want to buy a gun that has no reviews and there's been some questionable past models. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Need more functional reviews. Buy one, go to the range, and tell us how yours runs. Not all of us have time to get to the range the day the gun shows up. Sven Manticore Arms LOL, a fair point you have made, totally makes sense. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Quoted: I have not even gotten a chance to put a round through it yet, but I figured with my SOT I might be there first person able to post what it looks like as an SBR! (sorry for the boring brown carpet background, just where I was able to quickly snap a photo). Sven Manticore Arms https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/psa_ak102_sbr-2519942.jpg View Quote Looking forward to seeing how yours shoots! Any immediate issues? |
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Quoted: Looking forward to seeing how yours shoots! Any immediate issues? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I have not even gotten a chance to put a round through it yet, but I figured with my SOT I might be there first person able to post what it looks like as an SBR! (sorry for the boring brown carpet background, just where I was able to quickly snap a photo). Sven Manticore Arms https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/368252/psa_ak102_sbr-2519942.jpg Looking forward to seeing how yours shoots! Any immediate issues? Fit and finish look good, action is smooth, and the AC unity mags (and other mags I tried) seem to fit well. I like the three selector positions marked in Russian, and the rear picatinny block was not too bad to remove and replace with the PSA folder stock. The PSA folder stock does not look exactly like an original Russian/Bulgrain stock, but is pretty close, and for the price of the overall package I am not complaining at all. If it shoots as good as it looks I will be very satisfied. The bolt carrier does have the auto sear trip machined into it and that combined with the prestamped selector positions would actually make this an excellent candidate for a post sample machinegun if you are an SOT. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Ran another 100 through mine today. Testing out a Sig Tango 1-6.
Couldn't get a zero and found the top cover bolt loose. Had remnants of a decent amount of red loctite, so don't know what went wrong there. Reapplied red locktite, tightened the screw back down, and was able to obtain a rough zero. I found I can't shoot off a tripod worth a crap. Still over gassed by quite a bit with 5.56 ammo, but was reliable save for one light strike that wouldn't ignite in 3 tries. It's fun to shoot. |
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Spoke too soon. Found my hand guard loose while inspecting the 102 tonight. Looks like I'll be taking that apart and loctiting all that too now.
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Quoted: Here's what I found when I took mine apart: As it came off the weapon https://i.imgur.com/PspbCm5.jpg Receiver adapter in the rail https://i.imgur.com/3Cgobl7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/uyErE8T.jpg This piece goes into the receiver. You can see the yellow thread lock. Mine had to be tightened several revolutions to get it to interface with the bottom of the trunnion before it removed the up and down slop. I'm not quite sure why this was allowed to leave the factory in this condition. The threadlock doesn't solve much if there's not tension keeping it from moving in the first place. https://i.imgur.com/BU6wYow.jpg This piece interfaces with the front retainer: https://i.imgur.com/OEPM1bF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Qnnbc9Z.jpg Absolutely no thread lock on the front tension screws, which explains why mine kept coming lose. These need something applied to them at the factory in my opinion.: https://i.imgur.com/ODgiOvI.jpg My advice: rip all apart, apply some blue (at minimum) thread locker on the tensioner screw, then test fit the receiver adapter and tighten the tensioner until it is almost a press fit. Once that's in place, put some blue (again, at minimum) on the front handguard retainer tensioners, install the rail, and tighten the tensioners with a ball-end allen wrench until they're tight. Witness mark everything and give it at least 24 hours before you shoot it again. It's held so far on mine. Also, I Rocksett my railed dust cover instead of just red thread lock. It's held up so far as well. I need to put some electrical tape to try and shim mine up. View Quote |
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Got a chance to run around 40-50 rounds the the AK-102 today, shot great and the recoil was pretty reasonable for an AK (did not feel overgassed). Sights seemed spot on for the limited range and shooting we were doing (I was able to jump bits of junk in the air at 15-20 yards with no problem)
Tried the included AC Unity mag, Beryl 20 and 30 rounders, and a Circle 10 black 30 rounder in it, and all functioned 100%. Our intern, who has limited experience shooting, and our shop manager who has extensive experience shooting guns, both said it was their favorite gun to shoot today out of the 8 different rifles we were test firing. I figure that is the best endorsement of a rifle you can get, LOL. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Quoted: Got a chance to run around 40-50 rounds the the AK-102 today, shot great and the recoil was pretty reasonable for an AK (did not feel overgassed). Sights seemed spot on for the limited range and shooting we were doing (I was able to jump bits of junk in the air at 15-20 yards with no problem) Tried the included AC Unity mag, Beryl 20 and 30 rounders, and a Circle 10 black 30 rounder in it, and all functioned 100%. Our intern, who has limited experience shooting, and our shop manager who has extensive experience shooting guns, both said it was their favorite gun to shoot today out of the 8 different rifles we were test firing. I figure that is the best endorsement of a rifle you can get, LOL. Sven Manticore Arms View Quote That’s good to know! Hopefully we get some bigger round count testing soon! |
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Quoted: In what way(s) does the PSA stock differ from the Russian and Bulgarian ones? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted:The PSA folder stock does not look exactly like an original Russian/Bulgrain stock, but is pretty close, and for the price of the overall package I am not complaining at all. In what way(s) does the PSA stock differ from the Russian and Bulgarian ones? The molding is a little different on the left side, I will try to snap a comparison pic for you next time it is out of the safe. Sven Manticore Arms |
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@PalmettoStateArmory
are these 1:7 or 1:8 twist? The description varies between the models of 102. Just wondering. |
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Quoted: Got a chance to run around 40-50 rounds the the AK-102 today, shot great and the recoil was pretty reasonable for an AK (did not feel overgassed). Sights seemed spot on for the limited range and shooting we were doing (I was able to jump bits of junk in the air at 15-20 yards with no problem) Tried the included AC Unity mag, Beryl 20 and 30 rounders, and a Circle 10 black 30 rounder in it, and all functioned 100%. Our intern, who has limited experience shooting, and our shop manager who has extensive experience shooting guns, both said it was their favorite gun to shoot today out of the 8 different rifles we were test firing. I figure that is the best endorsement of a rifle you can get, LOL. Sven Manticore Arms View Quote In for pics of wear on bolt and trunion, accuracy at 50/100yds and any issues. I am willing to try a 5.56 if the bolts are good and hard and the accuracy is 2moa off bags..... Lets see some range trip pics! |
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Quoted: In for pics of wear on bolt and trunion, accuracy at 50/100yds and any issues. I am willing to try a 5.56 if the bolts are good and hard and the accuracy is 2moa off bags..... Lets see some range trip pics! View Quote I need to try some better ammo, but it sure looks like standard AK accuracy for mine. I won't comment on being happy or mad about that. |
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Quoted: I'm not a great bench shooter, but mine is 4-5 MOA with m193 and a 1-6x on top. Same 193 shoots roughly 2" in my Block2 clone at 100yds. I need to try some better ammo, but it sure looks like standard AK accuracy for mine. I won't comment on being happy or mad about that. View Quote I’m getting 3 MOA max out of my AK’s with total ass ammo, it should not be that Inaccurate |
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Quoted: I agree. My waffen -74 with spam can was 1.5moa ish, was amazingly accurate. 4-5" @100 with 223 and a 1-6 optic is not within useable limits for me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I'll need to reverify then. Because it isn't stacking them in there real great.
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Post pics of the groups...i wanna see the holes @50/100yds......
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I put a 1-4x Steiner on mine last week. I plan on getting to the range tomorrow or this weekend. I'll post pics of what I'm able to do and with what types of rounds.
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Thanks everyone for posting info!
I’m holding out for the long Zenitco copy handguards and dust cover, or at least something close enough where adding those parts later is not a problem |
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Quoted: Alright, who's ready for another range report? It's 72*F and low humidity and I'm vacation for 12 days, so you damn well better bet I'm ready for one. The set up. Brought a Radom, a Circle 10, and two AC Unity mags today. I'm shooting off a couple of bags. At first I was shooting bent over as the two sit down benches were occupied. This will have an effect on the groups: https://i.imgur.com/ZtzKKoL.jpg Mags left to right: Circle 10 w/ AE XM855 62 gr, AC Unity w/ Wolf Steel Case 55 gr, AC Unity w/ Impact 55 gr. remans, and Radom w/ Wolf Gold 55 gr. https://i.imgur.com/4VLOd0t.jpg Gratuitous beauty shots. I think this thing just looks bad ass. As info, this weighs 9.4# according to my bathroom scale w/o a mag: https://i.imgur.com/Or5cx6t.jpg https://i.imgur.com/fRuNK8i.jpg Ok, first group. All groups at 50 yards. Again, this is not seated. This from a bent over 90* position resting on those two bags in the pics above. Not exactly a stable platform for sure. The last shot I shanked just a hair and threw it low. That's on me, but I don't post perfect groups. It is what it is. Ammo is American Eagle 62gr. XM855 green tip: https://i.imgur.com/TquGqwd.jpg https://i.imgur.com/LxD9F2j.jpg As part of a later group, that shit got spicy for a hot second. I've never had this happen to me before. Looks like it ripped the case about 1/3 way up and then jammed the next round into it. I was somehow able to pull the separated case from the chamber w/ the round stuck in it with my finger. After ripping everything apart and checking for a squib/obstructed bore and the bolt face, etc for any damage, I kept shooting without issue. https://i.imgur.com/qqVQqWG.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2YhnB2V.jpg https://i.imgur.com/SvgEmlq.jpg Only other issues I had other than that were a couple of rounds of remans from Impact that were super soft shooting (made for competition w/ ARs) and didn't push the bolt carrier rearward hard enough to strip the next round. I slapped up on the mag in both cases and it stripped the round and kept going. I stopped shooting that stuff after that and never had another issue with feeding or extraction. Ok, Wolf steel case 55 gr.: https://i.imgur.com/JQeeFdc.jpg Wolf Gold 55 gr. in the center, AE 62 gr. bottom right: https://i.imgur.com/W5C9xSX.jpg Wolf Gold 55 gr.: https://i.imgur.com/l6inoTJ.jpg Ok, now, an experiment. I shot five rounds of Wolf steel case 55 gr, open and closed the top cover five times, then shot five more, for a total of 30 rounds. Here's the sequence of groups: https://i.imgur.com/7ln9hRp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/t0YVM5E.jpg https://i.imgur.com/YUEujk1.jpg https://i.imgur.com/G6W3r45.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WTgCF1t.jpg And now for why I think this is happening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ax3ehtaJE That movement definitely seems to be playing apart w/ the shift. I'm fairly confident in saying this is a 3-4 moa rifle. It's holding 1.5-2" or so at 50 yards with multiple ammo types (that aren't match grade) from unsteady positions. I'm fine with that. If you're not, so be it. And now, for shits and giggles, four mag dumps with no failures: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kBKb4NIWWE As you can see, the gas tube is loose again. That sucks. If had to do it over again, with all the trouble of the accessories on this thing, I'd recommend just getting the vanilla AK102 and forego the PSA high-speed furniture and figure out other ways to mount your shit. Side rail scope mounts like the RS Regulate are phenomenal. This thing is also very front end heavy, as you can see from the video. I normally try to keep everything in my work space, but thing just wants to drop as soon as you let go w/ your support hand. It needs a heavier stock at the rear at the least, which I'll have once I send off the eForm to SBR this thing. I think it works now. It's up to...750 rounds now? I just can't justify the inhouse accessories with all the troubleshooting required thus far. Get the conventional set up and add what you want later. ETA: Update on the gas tube. Metal and heat do some crazy shit. I know this from my day-to-day work. I should've assumed it would apply here, because it does. It's completely tight again. No wobble or anything front to back or side to side. View Quote Great write up and confirmed a concern I had about the dust cover, but when I look at the options I want, economically it seems smarter to get a railed handguard model because it comes with ALG trigger, JMAC ST6 skeleton tube, and linear comp, vs plain Jane doesn’t have any of that and is $100 cheaper, so you’re telling me for $100 more I can get those three things, by themselves combined are worth like $300? Seems like I have to buy the model without the dust cover but still has the handguards Personally I’m anxiously awaiting the long handguard Zenitco style rails |
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Quoted: Alright, who's ready for another range report? It's 72*F and low humidity and I'm vacation for 12 days, so you damn well better bet I'm ready for one. The set up. Brought a Radom, a Circle 10, and two AC Unity mags today. I'm shooting off a couple of bags. At first I was shooting bent over as the two sit down benches were occupied. This will have an effect on the groups: https://i.imgur.com/ZtzKKoL.jpg Mags left to right: Circle 10 w/ AE XM855 62 gr, AC Unity w/ Wolf Steel Case 55 gr, AC Unity w/ Impact 55 gr. remans, and Radom w/ Wolf Gold 55 gr. https://i.imgur.com/4VLOd0t.jpg Gratuitous beauty shots. I think this thing just looks bad ass. As info, this weighs 9.4# according to my bathroom scale w/o a mag: https://i.imgur.com/Or5cx6t.jpg https://i.imgur.com/fRuNK8i.jpg Ok, first group. All groups at 50 yards. Again, this is not seated. This from a bent over 90* position resting on those two bags in the pics above. Not exactly a stable platform for sure. The last shot I shanked just a hair and threw it low. That's on me, but I don't post perfect groups. It is what it is. Ammo is American Eagle 62gr. XM855 green tip: https://i.imgur.com/TquGqwd.jpg https://i.imgur.com/LxD9F2j.jpg As part of a later group, that shit got spicy for a hot second. I've never had this happen to me before. Looks like it ripped the case about 1/3 way up and then jammed the next round into it. I was somehow able to pull the separated case from the chamber w/ the round stuck in it with my finger. After ripping everything apart and checking for a squib/obstructed bore and the bolt face, etc for any damage, I kept shooting without issue. https://i.imgur.com/qqVQqWG.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2YhnB2V.jpg https://i.imgur.com/SvgEmlq.jpg Only other issues I had other than that were a couple of rounds of remans from Impact that were super soft shooting (made for competition w/ ARs) and didn't push the bolt carrier rearward hard enough to strip the next round. I slapped up on the mag in both cases and it stripped the round and kept going. I stopped shooting that stuff after that and never had another issue with feeding or extraction. Ok, Wolf steel case 55 gr.: https://i.imgur.com/JQeeFdc.jpg Wolf Gold 55 gr. in the center, AE 62 gr. bottom right: https://i.imgur.com/W5C9xSX.jpg Wolf Gold 55 gr.: https://i.imgur.com/l6inoTJ.jpg Ok, now, an experiment. I shot five rounds of Wolf steel case 55 gr, open and closed the top cover five times, then shot five more, for a total of 30 rounds. Here's the sequence of groups: https://i.imgur.com/7ln9hRp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/t0YVM5E.jpg https://i.imgur.com/YUEujk1.jpg https://i.imgur.com/G6W3r45.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WTgCF1t.jpg And now for why I think this is happening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ax3ehtaJE That movement definitely seems to be playing apart w/ the shift. I'm fairly confident in saying this is a 3-4 moa rifle. It's holding 1.5-2" or so at 50 yards with multiple ammo types (that aren't match grade) from unsteady positions. I'm fine with that. If you're not, so be it. And now, for shits and giggles, four mag dumps with no failures: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kBKb4NIWWE As you can see, the gas tube is loose again. That sucks. If had to do it over again, with all the trouble of the accessories on this thing, I'd recommend just getting the vanilla AK102 and forego the PSA high-speed furniture and figure out other ways to mount your shit. Side rail scope mounts like the RS Regulate are phenomenal. This thing is also very front end heavy, as you can see from the video. I normally try to keep everything in my work space, but thing just wants to drop as soon as you let go w/ your support hand. It needs a heavier stock at the rear at the least, which I'll have once I send off the eForm to SBR this thing. I think it works now. It's up to...750 rounds now? I just can't justify the inhouse accessories with all the troubleshooting required thus far. Get the conventional set up and add what you want later. ETA: Update on the gas tube. Metal and heat do some crazy shit. I know this from my day-to-day work. I should've assumed it would apply here, because it does. It's completely tight again. No wobble or anything front to back or side to side. View Quote Perfect review, and thx. Yep vanilla is a great way to start out and add from there. I will say that your 50yd groups was what i need 100yd groups to look like, especially with an optic on it. I will withold purchasing at this time |
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Quoted: Alright, who's ready for another range report? It's 72*F and low humidity and I'm vacation for 12 days, so you damn well better bet I'm ready for one. The set up. Brought a Radom, a Circle 10, and two AC Unity mags today. I'm shooting off a couple of bags. At first I was shooting bent over as the two sit down benches were occupied. This will have an effect on the groups: https://i.imgur.com/ZtzKKoL.jpg Mags left to right: Circle 10 w/ AE XM855 62 gr, AC Unity w/ Wolf Steel Case 55 gr, AC Unity w/ Impact 55 gr. remans, and Radom w/ Wolf Gold 55 gr. https://i.imgur.com/4VLOd0t.jpg Gratuitous beauty shots. I think this thing just looks bad ass. As info, this weighs 9.4# according to my bathroom scale w/o a mag: https://i.imgur.com/Or5cx6t.jpg https://i.imgur.com/fRuNK8i.jpg Ok, first group. All groups at 50 yards. Again, this is not seated. This from a bent over 90* position resting on those two bags in the pics above. Not exactly a stable platform for sure. The last shot I shanked just a hair and threw it low. That's on me, but I don't post perfect groups. It is what it is. Ammo is American Eagle 62gr. XM855 green tip: https://i.imgur.com/TquGqwd.jpg https://i.imgur.com/LxD9F2j.jpg As part of a later group, that shit got spicy for a hot second. I've never had this happen to me before. Looks like it ripped the case about 1/3 way up and then jammed the next round into it. I was somehow able to pull the separated case from the chamber w/ the round stuck in it with my finger. After ripping everything apart and checking for a squib/obstructed bore and the bolt face, etc for any damage, I kept shooting without issue. https://i.imgur.com/qqVQqWG.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2YhnB2V.jpg https://i.imgur.com/SvgEmlq.jpg Only other issues I had other than that were a couple of rounds of remans from Impact that were super soft shooting (made for competition w/ ARs) and didn't push the bolt carrier rearward hard enough to strip the next round. I slapped up on the mag in both cases and it stripped the round and kept going. I stopped shooting that stuff after that and never had another issue with feeding or extraction. Ok, Wolf steel case 55 gr.: https://i.imgur.com/JQeeFdc.jpg Wolf Gold 55 gr. in the center, AE 62 gr. bottom right: https://i.imgur.com/W5C9xSX.jpg Wolf Gold 55 gr.: https://i.imgur.com/l6inoTJ.jpg Ok, now, an experiment. I shot five rounds of Wolf steel case 55 gr, open and closed the top cover five times, then shot five more, for a total of 30 rounds. Here's the sequence of groups: https://i.imgur.com/7ln9hRp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/t0YVM5E.jpg https://i.imgur.com/YUEujk1.jpg https://i.imgur.com/G6W3r45.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WTgCF1t.jpg And now for why I think this is happening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ax3ehtaJE That movement definitely seems to be playing apart w/ the shift. I'm fairly confident in saying this is a 3-4 moa rifle. It's holding 1.5-2" or so at 50 yards with multiple ammo types (that aren't match grade) from unsteady positions. I'm fine with that. If you're not, so be it. And now, for shits and giggles, four mag dumps with no failures: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kBKb4NIWWE As you can see, the gas tube is loose again. That sucks. If had to do it over again, with all the trouble of the accessories on this thing, I'd recommend just getting the vanilla AK102 and forego the PSA high-speed furniture and figure out other ways to mount your shit. Side rail scope mounts like the RS Regulate are phenomenal. This thing is also very front end heavy, as you can see from the video. I normally try to keep everything in my work space, but thing just wants to drop as soon as you let go w/ your support hand. It needs a heavier stock at the rear at the least, which I'll have once I send off the eForm to SBR this thing. I think it works now. It's up to...750 rounds now? I just can't justify the inhouse accessories with all the troubleshooting required thus far. Get the conventional set up and add what you want later. ETA: Update on the gas tube. Metal and heat do some crazy shit. I know this from my day-to-day work. I should've assumed it would apply here, because it does. It's completely tight again. No wobble or anything front to back or side to side. View Quote Shoot me a PM next time you roll to SE and I'll bring the 105 out for some side by side comparison. |
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After reading this thread it seems that most people are getting 4moa. It also seems everyone is having zero issues with the rail. Does that seem right?
ak-operators union4774 just posted a video praising this gun (he made it clear he only put 1000rds through it) but he had great accuracy using a side rail. I plan on putting a sureshot armament rail on mine but if it’s a 4moa gun not sure I wanna spend the money on a 700 rail. Also what’s the deal with the ST-6 on jmacs website it says it folds but on psa’s it says it doesn’t I plan on making it a sbr idk if that will change anything. |
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Quoted: After reading this thread it seems that most people are getting 4moa. It also seems everyone is having zero issues with the rail. Does that seem right? ak-operators union4774 just posted a video praising this gun (he made it clear he only put 1000rds through it) but he had great accuracy using a side rail. I plan on putting a sureshot armament rail on mine but if it's a 4moa gun not sure I wanna spend the money on a 700 rail. Also what's the deal with the ST-6 on jmacs website it says it folds but on psa's it says it doesn't I plan on making it a sbr idk if that will change anything. View Quote |
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Thank you, seems like a great source for info idk how I didn’t find it sooner!
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Quoted: Welcome to Arfcom and the AK Discussions Forum. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: After reading this thread it seems that most people are getting 4moa. It also seems everyone is having zero issues with the rail. Does that seem right? ak-operators union4774 just posted a video praising this gun (he made it clear he only put 1000rds through it) but he had great accuracy using a side rail. I plan on putting a sureshot armament rail on mine but if it's a 4moa gun not sure I wanna spend the money on a 700 rail. Also what's the deal with the ST-6 on jmacs website it says it folds but on psa's it says it doesn't I plan on making it a sbr idk if that will change anything. Thank you, seems like a great source for info idk how I didn’t find it sooner! |
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Quoted: After reading this thread it seems that most people are getting 4moa. It also seems everyone is having zero issues with the rail. Does that seem right? ak-operators union4774 just posted a video praising this gun (he made it clear he only put 1000rds through it) but he had great accuracy using a side rail. I plan on putting a sureshot armament rail on mine but if it's a 4moa gun not sure I wanna spend the money on a 700 rail. View Quote |
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