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Posted: 3/16/2022 2:25:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2022 2:38:23 PM EDT
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There is a short and long hand guard, top cover, extended charging handle and stock all OTW
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Posted: 3/16/2022 2:49:03 PM EDT
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Hell yeah!! get some PSA they are crushing it!!
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Posted: 3/16/2022 2:56:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a short and long hand guard, top cover, extended charging handle and stock all OTW 
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Posted: 3/16/2022 3:13:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2022 3:40:33 PM EDT
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Psa might get me to actually have a go to AK
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Posted: 3/16/2022 4:31:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a short and long hand guard, top cover, extended charging handle and stock all OTW Jman: Are you folks going to make a rear/dust cover rail that is on the same plain (the same level) as the handguard rails? That is something we do not have in the market (for the most part). |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 7:07:35 PM EDT
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Woah. I wasnt expecting this. These look really cool so far. Cant wait to see the rest.
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Posted: 3/16/2022 7:46:26 PM EDT
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I'm sure it will be equivalent.
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Posted: 3/16/2022 10:28:38 PM EDT
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But why knock-off the basis system as well? Just make the LHGs tri-rails or even make the sides M-LOK? Or is PSA going to start making stuff in Basis as well?
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Posted: 3/17/2022 12:12:04 AM EDT
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That folder assembly is absolutely hideous. It may work great but
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Posted: 3/17/2022 1:15:15 AM EDT
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Didn't PSA just rip off Definitive Arms's AR magwell design too? Man they are just going all in... Any company who blatantly steals anothers design won't be getting my business.
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:34:58 AM EDT
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I will stick with the real thing.
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Posted: 3/17/2022 3:30:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/17/2022 3:32:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/17/2022 3:34:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't PSA just rip off Definitive Arms's AR magwell design too? Man they are just going all in... Any company who blatantly steals anothers design won't be getting my business. No, how many different ways can you make a stagnag magwell and put it on an AK? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 3:37:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I will stick with the real thing. I have a zenitco furniture, Mlok is better than basis, PSAs being designed to fit on their AKs is a plus. No more grinding, no more sourcing $600 in furniture from Russia.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 4:47:25 PM EDT
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This might be a situation where the two can coexist without too much issue. If I remember correctly, using Zenitco on PSA stuff requires quite a bit of fitting but using it on KUSA stuff requires less fitting.
Plus MLOK > Basis. Very interested to see what happens with this. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 6:11:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a zenitco furniture, Mlok is better than basis, PSAs being designed to fit on their AKs is a plus. No more grinding, no more sourcing $600 in furniture from Russia. They have multiple US distributors if you don't want to order it from overseas. They require fitting on Russian rifles as well. It's part of the reason why the system they developed holds zero for optics/lasers. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:21:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't PSA just rip off Definitive Arms's AR magwell design too? Man they are just going all in... Any company who blatantly steals anothers design won't be getting my business. Please don't start this BS again... PSA's magwell design incorporates a dual button and paddle release, which the DA version does not. Yes, they look similar... But how "different" do you think you can possibly design a magwell adaptor with set magazine dimensions and set host receiver dimensions. Any manufacturer could design a "in-house" version and it's going to look similar, period. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:29:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That folder assembly is absolutely hideous. It may work great but Pretty sure it's just a standard 4.5mm trunnion with a picatinny section for braces. If you plan to SBR any Bulgarian folder will fit. If left as a "pistol", braces look hideous anyways... |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:40:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have multiple US distributors if you don't want to order it from overseas. They require fitting on Russian rifles as well. It's part of the reason why the system they developed holds zero for optics/lasers. On the Russian 100 series they hammer in snug. On PSA(Similar to Bulgarian SLR geometry) you have to grind, hammer, fit, repeat. The instructions stressed not removing material, but you have no choice unless you have an Izzy. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 9:26:38 PM EDT
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Zenitco looks with M-LOK compatibility? Say no more fam. PSA doing Gods work.
But will they be as sturdy.......... |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 9:38:14 PM EDT
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I’m in for this for sure. Zenitco is unobtainium now.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:19:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a short and long hand guard, top cover, extended charging handle and stock all OTW Hell yea! That’s awesome |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:21:13 AM EDT
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Good.
I suggested cloning it/making our own. I mean Armacon ripped off RS Regulate.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:47:37 AM EDT
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Plz just make complete ripoffs of the zenitco stocks plz PSA.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:48:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean Armacon ripped off RS Regulate. And SLR Rifleworks. LAC posted on their Instagram a few months back that they were making AR parts and they showed them directly copying Radian charging handles. Hell, the AK-12 military issue sling is a copy of the Magpul MS3. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:54:29 AM EDT
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Make a legit zero-stable top cover that attaches firmly to the handguards and allows for an optic (a la TRS-25 or T1 footprint option) to cowitness the sights and Zenitco will be a thing of the past.
I also do not understand why someone hasn’t made a 4.5mm pin attachment for an AK side folder as a brace, instead of this hideous add on folding braces. The folder onto the OEM folder/hinge setup that is out there now is gross and weird looking. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 10:26:31 AM EDT
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I suggested earlier in another thread that US companies should just clone Russian parts.
Quote HistoryIn early March, the Russian government issued a decree saying that Russian companies are no longer obliged to compensate owners of patents, utility models and industrial designs from “unfriendly” countries. Quote HistoryIn early March, the Russian government issued a decree saying that Russian companies are no longer obliged to compensate owners of patents, utility models and industrial designs from “unfriendly” countries. IANAL but: This basically gave US the go ahead to start cloning Zenitco/Russian stuff since they wont reciprocate with our patents imo. The US was listed as an unfriendly country Putin’s decree drops legal protections for patent holders who are “registered in hostile countries.” The decree could affect pharmaceutical companies holding patents on vaccines or other medicines, and may be used to reproduce inventions in the defense or technology industries. The more valuable a company’s patents are in Russia, the more the company has to lose. The next step along this road may be to drop protections for trademarks in Russia and allow local companies to effectively nationalize U.S. and European brands to serve the Russian people. The Washington Post reports, “The Kremlin has not issued any decree lifting protections on trademarks. But Russia’s Ministry of Economic Development said last week that authorities are considering “removing restrictions on the use of intellectual property contained in certain goods whose supply to Russia is restricted,” according to Russian state news outlet Tass, and that potential measures could affect inventions, computer programs and trademarks.” This could allow Russian oligarchs to take over the local McDonald’s franchises and simply open the restaurants under the company’s trademarks with no payments to McDonald’s and no risk of legal IP enforcement. It may also permit Russian companies to run bootleg copies of U.S. and European software and sell them in packaging and under names owned by the Western companies. We don’t know how long these decrees will last – they may be the beginning of a new normal, where Russia simply flaunts international IP laws without recourse. https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/how-russia-is-using-intellectual-property-as-a-war-tactic-179260 Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. The best part is we can get these products without giving money to Russia. They will also be available regardless of sanctions/customs seizures. Its not like they can just sue PSA after the latest decree invalidating our IPs in Russia., and if they do; it wouldn't end well for Russian companies. Imo PSA knows this. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. The best part is we can get these products without giving money to Russia. They will also be available regardless of sanctions/customs seizures. Lots of edits. My mobile device messed this post up |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 9:56:20 PM EDT
[#30]
@Jman_JJE
And grips? Either all aluminum or rubber coated? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 10:38:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And SLR Rifleworks. The Armacon is a similar product, but more aesthetically pleasing and functional. The horizontal machine work at the base and top of the lower HG portion give it a better grip. Because of this, I wouldn't say its a direct 1 to 1 copy... but it probably violates their intellectual property. |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 12:24:17 AM EDT
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There is a Ukranian company which makes a better foreend product which is m-lok but I would expect that is not going to be easy to get these days....
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Posted: 3/19/2022 1:55:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a Ukranian company which makes a better foreend product which is m-lok but I would expect that is not going to be easy to get these days.... Not sure if they are in demand. Havent been able to sell mine. Its a quality handguard though. I hope crook makes it through all this |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 5:26:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: @Jman_JJE And grips? Either all aluminum or rubber coated? We are looking into a grip right now, nothing set in stone, what do you recommend? |
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Posted: 3/19/2022 6:50:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are looking into a grip right now, nothing set in stone, what do you recommend? @Jman_JJE Just something similar in aesthetics and affordable: RK-3 (I believe it is aluminum) RK-9 (seems to be polymer) and/or Ak-12 style grip (polymer) complete with the internal compartment EDIT: from another thread you mention having a grip from the ak12, so that would be hopefully something you can replicate 
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Posted: 3/20/2022 9:48:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure it will be equivalent. |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 9:53:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have multiple US distributors if you don't want to order it from overseas. They require fitting on Russian rifles as well. It's part of the reason why the system they developed holds zero for optics/lasers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have a zenitco furniture, Mlok is better than basis, PSAs being designed to fit on their AKs is a plus. No more grinding, no more sourcing $600 in furniture from Russia. They have multiple US distributors if you don't want to order it from overseas. They require fitting on Russian rifles as well. It's part of the reason why the system they developed holds zero for optics/lasers. That said, I have done some polishing work on one of my B10 HGs because I didn't actually want to beat it in there with a hammer Quoted: On the Russian 100 series they hammer in snug. On PSA(Similar to Bulgarian SLR geometry) you have to grind, hammer, fit, repeat. The instructions stressed not removing material, but you have no choice unless you have an Izzy. This +1 |
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Posted: 3/20/2022 10:42:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are looking into a grip right now, nothing set in stone, what do you recommend? |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 7:47:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They shouldn't require fitting on Russian rifles, but they typically do need a hammer (no joke). Hitting the aluminum handguard with a mallet to shape it to the steel receiver would be fitting it.. |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 8:44:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hitting the aluminum handguard with a mallet to shape it to the steel receiver would be fitting it.. |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 10:35:33 AM EDT
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I welcome PSA's move to clone these; in fact, I have moved forward by buying one of the clones on the market - haven't tried it yet, but I have pictured it here.
I just received (and tricked out) my own Ak-v yesterday and I dig the Krinkov classic look; but because of the fact that I also have an Arsenal 106UR on the way, I'll probably add this rail shortly. It's well made, sturdy - as is the clone short grip. PSA should totally do it  blob by SoloDallas, on Flickr
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Posted: 3/25/2022 9:49:46 AM EDT
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@Jman_JJE
RK-3 LINK RK-3 gen 1 is all aluminum RK-3 gen 2 is aluminum core with rubber over mold Either g1/2 or an all polymer copy would be awesome in my book. Rk-3 gen 2 is the best AK grip I have ever used. |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 3:08:12 PM EDT
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Id be interested in an AK-9 style poly handguard.
With you new top rail dust cover I could make a KM-AK ish setup for my 74. |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 9:14:36 PM EDT
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I like your products, but you wont ship to me because of paranoid lawyers and a patch work of confusing/municipal laws.
Will you have distributors/retailers selling these? Not trying to take a jab at you. |
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Posted: 3/25/2022 10:45:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Id be interested in an AK-9 style poly handguard. With you new top rail dust cover I could make a KM-AK ish setup for my 74. I second this That is such a simple, but quality upgrade that also retains the classic look. Please do this Jman Even when you could locate one it was >$150 
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Posted: 3/26/2022 11:24:30 AM EDT
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Installed this replica set (metal) and it's perfectly fitting on my PSA Ak-v (latest generation, got it days ago).
I mean, simply perfect as designed for it. No wiggling of sorts, went in rather well, sturdy and it seems it can withstand the Ak-v's recoil. Have not shot it yet - likely today. However I have several of these metal replicas as you can see and they are all top quality, fun items  PSA Ak-V by SoloDallas, on Flickr PSA AK-v by SoloDallas, on Flickr
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Posted: 3/26/2022 12:06:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Installed this replica set (metal) and it's perfectly fitting on my PSA Ak-v (latest generation, got it days ago). I mean, simply perfect as designed for it. No wiggling of sorts, went in rather well, sturdy and it seems it can withstand the Ak-v's recoil. Have not shot it yet - likely today. However I have several of these metal replicas as you can see and they are all top quality, fun items https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51962457854_9f9aac4b3c_k.jpgPSA Ak-V by SoloDallas, on Flickr https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51962735830_d51f3b2d08_k.jpgPSA AK-v by SoloDallas, on Flickr Whats the deets on the faux krink style booster? |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 12:22:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That thing is sweet. Whats the deets on the faux krink style booster? Hence, I searched for an adapter from 1/2 28 to 24mm - done. What you see next to the krink booster is an adapter (from Strela) - you can google it and you'll find it. The adapter has a large caliber anyways, so what's coming out in of the AK-v's barrel in 9mm will run safe. The krink device is a standard, 24mm think with a large enough hole to let 9mm pass through (tested) - and it's in actual blued steel. You can find a BUNCH out there, I forget this one from exactly where it is but it fits perfectly the adapter (no wiggle) AND the muzzle of the Ak-v. Just for fun! |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 12:45:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, because I was nuts about (real) Krinks and hadn't me one (just yet, then I bought it the other day with luck and a bunch of money) what I wanted was to be able to copy a real Krink in some detail - and PSA Ak-v's don't have that style muzzle break (naturally - you CAN find the Bulgarian style muzzle in 1/2-28 but NOT the Krink booster). Hence, I searched for an adapter from 1/2 28 to 24mm - done. What you see next to the krink booster is an adapter (from Strela) - you can google it and you'll find it. The adapter has a large caliber anyways, so what's coming out in of the AK-v's barrel in 9mm will run safe. The krink device is a standard, 24mm think with a large enough hole to let 9mm pass through (tested) - and it's in actual blued steel. You can find a BUNCH out there, I forget this one from exactly where it is but it fits perfectly the adapter (no wiggle) AND the muzzle of the Ak-v. Just for fun! I have a flash can on mine, but I like the looks of the booster on there. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 12:49:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Installed this replica set (metal) and it's perfectly fitting on my PSA Ak-v (latest generation, got it days ago). I mean, simply perfect as designed for it. No wiggling of sorts, went in rather well, sturdy and it seems it can withstand the Ak-v's recoil. Have not shot it yet - likely today. However I have several of these metal replicas as you can see and they are all top quality, fun items https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51962457854_9f9aac4b3c_k.jpgPSA Ak-V by SoloDallas, on Flickr https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51962735830_d51f3b2d08_k.jpgPSA AK-v by SoloDallas, on Flickr Is there any way you could IM me a link to the clones like do you mean like airsoft versions or something or is there like a more sturdier build? I did order a b30 clone and it didn't look bad but the front part of it would bend easy because it's not in contact with the retainer or anything like that. I don't think the shorter versions of these would have that issue |
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