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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:14:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dragynn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nictra: c'mon cheap KR9's in the EE! I've waffled for too long on one of these I think. I'd rather have the KR9 over the PSA offering, but I guess I'd do either at this point. Now's your chance, Atlantic just dropped an e-mail with KP-9's, KR-9's and 103's. Better grab while the grabbin's good! @nictra |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:25:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dragynn: Now's your chance, Atlantic just dropped an e-mail with KP-9's, KR-9's and 103's. Better grab while the grabbin's good! @nictra I saw that. Much KUS goodies in that ad. Might jump on one. 
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:23:04 AM EDT
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AKQE is reporting that KUSA has been sold. The new owners are bringing back a core group of employees and have filed a stay with the bankruptcy court.
If all that's true the new owners really need to focus on getting the 101/102 to market. KP9s and 103s can wait. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 1:14:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: AKQE is reporting that KUSA has been sold. The new owners are bringing back a core group of employees and have filed a stay with the bankruptcy court. If all that's true the new owners really need to focus on getting the 101/102 to market. KP9s and 103s can wait. Hopefully that “core group” will not contain any of the marketing or executive wings. The computer nerds that know the files and machines…ok.. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 1:47:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX-Zen: You'd have to make peace with the potential OOB issue, and possibly the general consensus in Russia that the Vityaz is not a 20,000+ round count gun. There's something about the service ammo they use and the blowback design that according to them doesn't lend itself well to longevity. That said I haven't seen a way to confirm if what they have said is true, or particular to how the Russians use it vs what we might do over here, but meanwhile I shoot the piss out of mine. I did get the OOB fix done by KUSA but that was only recently and accounts for about 1% of the rounds I've fired through it before it became an official issue I will say the big selling point for me is the really impressive accuracty of the KR9. Mine shoots 1 to 1.5 inch groups at 50 yards and holds tighter groups than a lot of my 5.45 rifles. It's a ridiculously fun PCC with subs and a suppressor too, and since my favorite thing is night vision hunting I've figured out ways to get mine tweaked just the way I like it, and consequently have taken it out hunting many a night with great success on varmints The risk with the KR9 is who will support it now if you have a problem, but I've made peace with that and would use a competent gunsmith friend to keep it running even if cost me my own money. I think it's that great of a rifle, but not everyone is willing to do that of course. If one of these other companies step in and takes over that potential issue would be solved, so there's still a chance the warranty could be a non issue. Maybe Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX-Zen: Originally Posted By scottrh2: So, with all this, WOULD a nice clean KR9 at a good price still be a good buy? My KR-103 has been perfect, sights centered and shows little wear indicating a well put together rifle; assume a PCC in same shape would have similar traits.. I will say the big selling point for me is the really impressive accuracty of the KR9. Mine shoots 1 to 1.5 inch groups at 50 yards and holds tighter groups than a lot of my 5.45 rifles. It's a ridiculously fun PCC with subs and a suppressor too, and since my favorite thing is night vision hunting I've figured out ways to get mine tweaked just the way I like it, and consequently have taken it out hunting many a night with great success on varmints The risk with the KR9 is who will support it now if you have a problem, but I've made peace with that and would use a competent gunsmith friend to keep it running even if cost me my own money. I think it's that great of a rifle, but not everyone is willing to do that of course. If one of these other companies step in and takes over that potential issue would be solved, so there's still a chance the warranty could be a non issue. Maybe Russian military 9x19 is typically a good bit hotter than NATO spec stuff and while I've never weighed it, the Vityaz bolt looks like it'd be in the lighter side compared to other 9mm blowback guns that are designed for NATO ammo. So wouldn't be surprising if it turns out the gun tends to beat itself to death. Maybe the Russians figured that at the end of the day, it's an AK, AKs are disposable. When it breaks you get another one. If they can make alot of anything, it's AKs. And they don't exactly use SMGs that much anymore so a 20k service life might be good enough. How much do they really expect to shoot the thing? |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:14:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX-Zen: You'd have to make peace with the potential OOB issue, and possibly the general consensus in Russia that the Vityaz is not a 20,000+ round count gun. There's something about the service ammo they use and the blowback design that according to them doesn't lend itself well to longevity. That said I haven't seen a way to confirm if what they have said is true, or particular to how the Russians use it vs what we might do over here, but meanwhile I shoot the piss out of mine. I did get the OOB fix done by KUSA but that was only recently and accounts for about 1% of the rounds I've fired through it before it became an official issue I will say the big selling point for me is the really impressive accuracty of the KR9. Mine shoots 1 to 1.5 inch groups at 50 yards and holds tighter groups than a lot of my 5.45 rifles. It's a ridiculously fun PCC with subs and a suppressor too, and since my favorite thing is night vision hunting I've figured out ways to get mine tweaked just the way I like it, and consequently have taken it out hunting many a night with great success on varmints The risk with the KR9 is who will support it now if you have a problem, but I've made peace with that and would use a competent gunsmith friend to keep it running even if cost me my own money. I think it's that great of a rifle, but not everyone is willing to do that of course. If one of these other companies step in and takes over that potential issue would be solved, so there's still a chance the warranty could be a non issue. Maybe The Russian 7N20, 7N30, and 7N31 is apparently quite a bit hotter than US commercial or "NATO" spec ammo ....although I doubt anyone will ever have the opportunity to actually pressure test, or chrono it here in the US. All of the Vityaz receiver failure info I've been able to find is that they develop cracks directly above the cutout for the auto sear in the rail .....most likely due to a slight amount of cant when the bolt recoils. Shouldn't be an issue with the US made guns. I hope it isn't a 20K round gun .....I've probably got near 1/3rd of that thru mine .....with the original (non upgraded) firing pin |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:19:44 PM EDT
[#7]
Fresh shipment of the Elusive KP9 Stocks getting checked in ......
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Posted: 5/20/2024 7:31:32 PM EDT
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Things are tough all over.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13438497/Red-Lobster-officially-files-bankruptcy.html |
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Posted: 5/20/2024 10:06:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: Fresh shipment of the Elusive KP9 Stocks getting checked in ...... https://admin.atlanticfirearms.com/media/cache/sylius_shop_product_original/hosting/stocks-1.jpg Dang already sold out! Any chance you will get more anytime soon? |
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Posted: 5/21/2024 2:02:20 PM EDT
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I'm watching this debacle with interest and hope they can pull it together.
I'm sitting here looking at my KP9. The top cover pic rail is out of spec and you can't mount anything to it, then I quit shooting it when I found out about the OOB issue. I really hope I haven't missed the bus regarding this gun. 
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Posted: 5/21/2024 8:00:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orygunxj: Dang already sold out! Any chance you will get more anytime soon? Yes we will have more but do not expect them for another 4 -6 weeks . |
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Posted: 5/22/2024 8:53:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mlaug: I'm watching this debacle with interest and hope they can pull it together. I'm sitting here looking at my KP9. The top cover pic rail is out of spec and you can't mount anything to it, then I quit shooting it when I found out about the OOB issue. I really hope I haven't missed the bus regarding this gun. On the OOB issue you can do some research on the AK Files and see what was fixed, then find a competent gunsmith to remediate it. Obviously since KUSA has gone under it won't be warrantied, but at least it could still be fixed I'm sure Mario at Piece of History would know what to do, FWIW. I talked to him a number of times about the OOB issue, plus he knows a considerable amount about the Vityaz |
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Posted: 5/22/2024 1:45:52 PM EDT
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Apparently, there was a run of out of spec top covers. One side of the pic rail isn't cut to hold a mount and some of the cuts on top of the rail are too wide to hold any mounts. KUSA would send out a replacement rail and roll pin to swap out the out of spec rail. I didn't know about that until it became doubtful that any replacement parts were leaving the factory.
 I'm not an avid forum follower on any of the AK related forums and didn't find out about the OOB issue until it was too late to risk sending my bolt to them. 
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Posted: 5/27/2024 2:55:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: scottrh2]
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Posted: 5/27/2024 3:08:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mlaug: Apparently, there was a run of out of spec top covers. One side of the pic rail isn't cut to hold a mount and some of the cuts on top of the rail are too wide to hold any mounts. KUSA would send out a replacement rail and roll pin to swap out the out of spec rail. I didn't know about that until it became doubtful that any replacement parts were leaving the factory. I'm not an avid forum follower on any of the AK related forums and didn't find out about the OOB issue until it was too late to risk sending my bolt to them. |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 9:09:00 PM EDT
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Anything new on the KUSA meltdown? Sold? Court?
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Posted: 6/29/2024 1:06:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Evintos]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scottrh2: Anything new on the KUSA meltdown? Sold? Court? Supposedly the company is now owned by someone named Clayton from NordArms-USA which made some of the AK furniture for KUSA and a Turkish partner. Bankruptcy case is ongoing for the holding company (RWC LLC) as far as I know and the asset sale has left the new owners with a cluster of things to sort through, although I'm not even sure if the asset sale has been officially approved by the presiding judge. It'll take a few months but ultimately no clue if they'll actually be able to get the company back on track. https://nordarms-usa.com/ |
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Posted: 6/29/2024 4:40:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Evintos: Supposedly the company is now owned by someone named Clayton from NordArms-USA which made some of the AK furniture for KUSA and a Turkish partner. Bankruptcy case is ongoing for the holding company (RWC LLC) as far as I know and the asset sale has left the new owners with a cluster of things to sort through, although I'm not even sure if the asset sale has been officially approved by the presiding judge. It'll take a few months but ultimately no clue if they'll actually be able to get the company back on track. https://nordarms-usa.com/ It's NOT owned by anyone new yet. It's just talks of certain people considering it. Personally I don't see it coming back. |
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Posted: 7/4/2024 12:31:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Evintos: Supposedly the company is now owned by someone named Clayton from NordArms-USA which made some of the AK furniture for KUSA and a Turkish partner. Bankruptcy case is ongoing for the holding company (RWC LLC) as far as I know and the asset sale has left the new owners with a cluster of things to sort through, although I'm not even sure if the asset sale has been officially approved by the presiding judge. It'll take a few months but ultimately no clue if they'll actually be able to get the company back on track. https://nordarms-usa.com/ That website is....strange, lots of AI generated pictures, airsoft pictures, and spelling mistakes. |
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Posted: 7/11/2024 12:34:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gotterdammerung: Competition is a good thing. I would rather see multiple US AK manufacturers than a PSA monopoly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gotterdammerung: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Originally Posted By MustyWaffles: Originally Posted By sbye: Sounds like there is potential for KUSA to stick around under new ownership. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/260726/KUSA-3192081.png I always get flabbergasted with the PSA hate. And it's always from people with 0 first hand experience with the product. Makes me chuckle. It's because PSA has (not by all, but many) always been viewed as "for the poors." Subsequently, PSA isn't a preferred brand for Instagram flexing... Competition is a good thing. I would rather see multiple US AK manufacturers than a PSA monopoly. PSA already makes clones that look like but aren't KUSA models. K USA has probably got the secret sauce TDP that they can't admit to getting from the ole Kalashnikov concern in Russia which PSA obviously isn't using as their clones are off of Bulgarian spec dimensions. PSA would probably keep their line and take KUSA branding. No way they'd keep the competing lines open when they're so similar. So if you want kusa designs made and PSA models made KUSA should be purchased by a different company. |
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Posted: 7/11/2024 12:58:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SBR300BLK: PSA already makes clones that look like but aren't KUSA models. K USA has probably got the secret sauce TDP that they can't admit to getting from the ole Kalashnikov concern in Russia which PSA obviously isn't using as their clones are off of Bulgarian spec dimensions. PSA would probably keep their line and take KUSA branding. No way they'd keep the competing lines open when they're so similar. So if you want kusa designs made and PSA models made KUSA should be purchased by a different company. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SBR300BLK: Originally Posted By Gotterdammerung: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Originally Posted By MustyWaffles: Originally Posted By sbye: Sounds like there is potential for KUSA to stick around under new ownership. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/260726/KUSA-3192081.png I always get flabbergasted with the PSA hate. And it's always from people with 0 first hand experience with the product. Makes me chuckle. It's because PSA has (not by all, but many) always been viewed as "for the poors." Subsequently, PSA isn't a preferred brand for Instagram flexing... Competition is a good thing. I would rather see multiple US AK manufacturers than a PSA monopoly. PSA already makes clones that look like but aren't KUSA models. K USA has probably got the secret sauce TDP that they can't admit to getting from the ole Kalashnikov concern in Russia which PSA obviously isn't using as their clones are off of Bulgarian spec dimensions. PSA would probably keep their line and take KUSA branding. No way they'd keep the competing lines open when they're so similar. So if you want kusa designs made and PSA models made KUSA should be purchased by a different company. Can’t forget that the object is to make money and I can fairly confidently state that the KUSA business model didn’t. So…buying everything and not changing significantly is only in the cards if the money is really dumb. |
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Posted: 7/18/2024 11:02:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Can’t forget that the object is to make money and I can fairly confidently state that the KUSA business model didn’t. So…buying everything and not changing significantly is only in the cards if the money is really dumb. I think KUSA being run by morons and throwing quality out the window for short term cash is what killed them. Their lineup is popular if it's put together right. Not everyone will go PSA if they can avoid it and KUSA was about the only major domestic alternative. |
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Posted: 7/19/2024 11:24:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SBR300BLK: I think KUSA being run by morons and throwing quality out the window for short term cash is what killed them. Their lineup is popular if it's put together right. Not everyone will go PSA if they can avoid it and KUSA was about the only major domestic alternative. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SBR300BLK: Originally Posted By fike: Can’t forget that the object is to make money and I can fairly confidently state that the KUSA business model didn’t. So…buying everything and not changing significantly is only in the cards if the money is really dumb. I think KUSA being run by morons and throwing quality out the window for short term cash is what killed them. Their lineup is popular if it's put together right. Not everyone will go PSA if they can avoid it and KUSA was about the only major domestic alternative. The part in red might be the most telling. AK’s are a comparative bitch to produce at both a high quality and volume while remaining competitive in price and turning a profit. PSA can go down the road leveraging the economies of scale and revenue from their massive portfolio, but I’m not sure it works as a singular, high volume product line in the USA in 2024. |
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Posted: 7/21/2024 12:20:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SBR300BLK: I think KUSA being run by morons and throwing quality out the window for short term cash is what killed them. Their lineup is popular if it's put together right. Not everyone will go PSA if they can avoid it and KUSA was about the only major domestic alternative. Similar to Waffen Werks. |
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Posted: 8/2/2024 6:27:24 PM EDT
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Bought this KP-104 from a dude in this thread. I've been pretty happy with it. I guess I'm lucky and it's a good example
 
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Posted: 8/8/2024 2:02:50 AM EDT
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AK Quality Enforcement has posted on Instagram that the sale and transfer to new owner(s) has reportedly fallen apart. Whatever happens it sounds like KUSA won't be back anytime soon. Maybe not ever.
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Posted: 8/8/2024 8:10:59 AM EDT
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I have a K103 that I haven’t shot yet. I’m wondering if I should keep it in “Unfired” condition and see if it becomes a desirable unicorn?
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Posted: 8/10/2024 9:54:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Colonel_Strelnikov: I have a K103 that I haven't shot yet. I'm wondering if I should keep it in "Unfired" condition and see if it becomes a desirable unicorn? |
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Posted: 8/17/2024 6:42:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SBR300BLK: K USA has probably got the secret sauce TDP that they can't admit to getting from the ole Kalashnikov concern in Russia Your other comments are good points about what would happen if PSA bought KUSA. I hadn't thought about it much but yes, why would PSA build the KUSA rifles when their own products are doing great, unless they sold the KUSA models at a higher price point as a more clone correct model I could see a scenario where PSA buys KUSA, introduces the clone models as higher and collectibles, improves what KUSA got wrong on clone details, and slowly merges the two models until all the relevant models are the clone correct versions but with those fantastic FN barrels That will probably never happen even if PSA did buy them but a man can dream (like getting FN to run 5.45 barrels too) |
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Posted: 8/17/2024 10:29:08 AM EDT
[#30]
I see the KUSA website is offline. I guess that's the end. For now at least.
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Posted: 8/17/2024 10:31:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX-Zen: I know people involved in KUSA and for sure they never got the TDPs. They did get help in several ways but they didn't get TDPs Your other comments are good points about what would happen if PSA bought KUSA. I hadn't thought about it much but yes, why would PSA build the KUSA rifles when their own products are doing great, unless they sold the KUSA models at a higher price point as a more clone correct model I could see a scenario where PSA buys KUSA, introduces the clone models as higher and collectibles, improves what KUSA got wrong on clone details, and slowly merges the two models until all the relevant models are the clone correct versions but with those fantastic FN barrels That will probably never happen even if PSA did buy them but a man can dream (like getting FN to run 5.45 barrels too) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX-Zen: Originally Posted By SBR300BLK: K USA has probably got the secret sauce TDP that they can't admit to getting from the ole Kalashnikov concern in Russia Your other comments are good points about what would happen if PSA bought KUSA. I hadn't thought about it much but yes, why would PSA build the KUSA rifles when their own products are doing great, unless they sold the KUSA models at a higher price point as a more clone correct model I could see a scenario where PSA buys KUSA, introduces the clone models as higher and collectibles, improves what KUSA got wrong on clone details, and slowly merges the two models until all the relevant models are the clone correct versions but with those fantastic FN barrels That will probably never happen even if PSA did buy them but a man can dream (like getting FN to run 5.45 barrels too) Would folks pay $1700-$2100 for them? |
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Posted: 8/17/2024 11:45:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Would folks pay $1700-$2100 for them? Nope. Not unless the majority of the parts were authentic Russian or from a KC licensee. PSA is already using thin stem parts in the various 74 and 101/102/105 models. It wouldn't seem to be too big a stretch to incorporate thin stem into the 103 and 104. The bump rivet might be a nice addition as well. But would these changes make the guns sell any better? |
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Posted: 8/21/2024 2:47:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Manticore_Arms]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Would folks pay $1700-$2100 for them? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By TX-Zen: Originally Posted By SBR300BLK: K USA has probably got the secret sauce TDP that they can't admit to getting from the ole Kalashnikov concern in Russia Your other comments are good points about what would happen if PSA bought KUSA. I hadn't thought about it much but yes, why would PSA build the KUSA rifles when their own products are doing great, unless they sold the KUSA models at a higher price point as a more clone correct model I could see a scenario where PSA buys KUSA, introduces the clone models as higher and collectibles, improves what KUSA got wrong on clone details, and slowly merges the two models until all the relevant models are the clone correct versions but with those fantastic FN barrels That will probably never happen even if PSA did buy them but a man can dream (like getting FN to run 5.45 barrels too) Would folks pay $1700-$2100 for them? No one is going to pay that much for a KUSA, whether the ones produced before the bankruptcy or ones afterwards. Also, PSA already has a 9mm AK, IMHO there would be no reason for them the want to do a second one that is pretty much the same except for proprietary magazines, requires a new different production line, and would just be competing against their own existing product. |
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Posted: 8/21/2024 2:58:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Capt_Destro]
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Honestly the only KUSA I see myself spending money on; are the 12 gauge firearms/shotguns. No other company at this point makes a Saiga 12 that close to the original spec.
The Lynx 12 was very close, but is no longer imported. Surprised PSA doesn't try making a Saiga 12. |
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Posted: 8/21/2024 7:18:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2024 2:10:54 PM EDT
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Here's the video. An hour long but a decent watch/listen.
Some of the info we already knew. KUSA owing money to its OEM vendors, etc. The revolving door of marketing department personnel speaks to a deeper problem within the company. And we all remember the self-imposed black eye from Bonnie Rotten being the sponsored shooter and social media rep. I do find it surprising that PSA was wanting to buy the company. As I said, I don't see this really doing anything that PSA isn't already capable of doing under the Soviet Arms label.  KUSA IS DEAD: The full story (unedited) w/ klayco47 and AK Quality enforcement. |
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