MI AK-MDM mini dot mount (Page 1 of 2)

Liquidmetal · **Posted: 7/26/2011 6:28:25 PM EDT**

Very nice. It appears the mount is windage adjustable?

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 7/26/2011 7:30:02 PM EDT**

Yes it is adjustable for windage and we have a set screw to level it to get close for elevation. It was important to make the mount some what adjustable before you start zeroing due to the fact not all of the trunions on these guns are perfect. The other thing that can become a issue is the sight pocket may not be straight or cut on the C/L of the bore. We have made this to give the user some adjustment in case he has a not so perfect rifle. We have a couple really bad ones that we use just for this reason and these mounts work just fine on them.

TROY
MI

kalash74 · **Posted: 7/27/2011 12:47:29 AM EDT**

Originally Posted By TDMAKER:
Yes it is adjustable for windage and we have a set screw to level it to get close for elevation. It was important to make the mount some what adjustable before you start zeroing due to the fact not all of the trunions on these guns are perfect. The other thing that can become a issue is the sight pocket may not be straight or cut on the C/L of the bore. We have made this to give the user some adjustment in case he has a not so perfect rifle. We have a couple really bad ones that we use just for this reason and these mounts work just fine on them.

TROY
MI

Can you cowitness with the PA Gen 7 micro (the lowest version they make, which cowitness on the Ultimak)?

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 7/27/2011 7:24:11 AM EDT**

We have the md-06 here . They co-witness perfectly at lower one third. If the other is even lower i would say it would also co witness.
thank you

TROY
MI

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 7/28/2011 9:10:56 AM EDT**

We are running a special package . A MI-MDM and a primary arms MD-06 for 159.95

thank you
TROY
MI

Primary arms will also be selling that combo at the same price.

db_17_85 · **Posted: 7/29/2011 12:20:38 AM EDT**

I couldn't find the combo deal on the website. Have a link by chance?

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 7/29/2011 7:31:05 AM EDT**

I am calling web guy today. if you call your order in we will give you the price. i hope to have it up today.
thank you

TROY
MI

amendment · **Posted: 7/29/2011 5:19:28 PM EDT**

Looks very interesting! Once level does the setscrew need to be locked in place?

Castillo · **Posted: 7/30/2011 4:59:56 PM EDT**

Why can't you guys ever hotlink your products in your posts!!

Looks nice, great to see all the new products your offering for the AK

TREETOP · **Posted: 7/31/2011 1:48:41 AM EDT**

Hotlinked:
http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=421

You guys pretty much read my mind on this, I've been wanting a mount that replaces the rear sight and doesn't add any rails I wouldn't use. I was looking all over for an Irondot but they've been basically nonexistent for a couple years now, and I pretty much gave up. Awesome solution.

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 7/31/2011 1:45:24 PM EDT**

The set screw for leveling will not need to be locked. Once the mount is tightened up it will not go anywhere.
thank you

TROY
MI

wulkyrie · **Posted: 7/31/2011 2:03:57 PM EDT**

Troy,
Is there any plan to market a pic rail version just like your hand guard? I want to mount an Aimpoint on it, or anything that is pic rail compatible. Thanks

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 7/31/2011 3:44:31 PM EDT**

At this time I would like to see how these sell. If they are successful we will do other versions.
thank you

TROY
MI

bushwack · **Posted: 8/3/2011 3:23:00 AM EDT**

Originally Posted By kalash74:

Originally Posted By TDMAKER:
Yes it is adjustable for windage and we have a set screw to level it to get close for elevation. It was important to make the mount some what adjustable before you start zeroing due to the fact not all of the trunions on these guns are perfect. The other thing that can become a issue is the sight pocket may not be straight or cut on the C/L of the bore. We have made this to give the user some adjustment in case he has a not so perfect rifle. We have a couple really bad ones that we use just for this reason and these mounts work just fine on them.

TROY
MI

Can you cowitness with the PA Gen 7 micro (the lowest version they make, which cowitness on the Ultimak)?

PA Gen 7 micro has the non-removable base, for rail mount only.

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/3/2011 7:30:07 AM EDT**

If that model has a non removable base it will not work , (sorry) The MD-06 works sweet on these mounts .
thanks

TROY
MI

wulkyrie · **Posted: 8/3/2011 11:00:39 AM EDT**

Originally Posted By TDMAKER:
If that model has a non removable base it will not work , (sorry) The MD-06 works sweet on these mounts .
thanks

TROY
MI

Honestly, I think a pic railed version will be more popular because of this reason: it is simply more versatile and allows more options just like the pic railed version of your handguard. Although I understand the supply/demand issues that you mentioned, I believe a pic railed version will sell better than the rest: Fastfire is prone to damage from recoil (which is the reason the LaRue Irondot did not sell) and the rest is too expensive for most people. I myself will get a pic railed version in a heart beat, but now I have to wait. I think it is a viable alternative to the TWS Dog Leg rail, which is an excellent product but more expensive. I like the windage adjustment feature very much as it resolves many problems associated with canted front sight and stiff windage drums in an AK. All in all an excellent product, much better designed than the ATTERO version. I am not particularly concerned about co-witness issues.

Sniper_B · **Posted: 8/3/2011 3:00:17 PM EDT**

Will the pa micro green dot mount up?

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/3/2011 4:03:54 PM EDT**

Primary arms would be able to answer all of your compatabilty questions. We just stock the MD-06 right now for the minis . here is their number 1-713-436-5121
Thanks

TROY
MI

travinh · **Posted: 8/3/2011 4:34:02 PM EDT**

TROY,

I was at your website this morning and I did not see information on how to order this special package. I called the MI number, but the lady who answer the phone did not know anything about this special package.

Thanks,
Cal

Originally Posted By TDMAKER:
We are running a special package . A MI-MDM and a primary arms MD-06 for 159.95 shipping included

thank you
TROY
MI

Primary arms will also be selling that combo at the same price.

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/3/2011 4:46:05 PM EDT**

check the web site . the package was put up this am . we had a lot going on the last couple days , I didn't inform her until I had it put up. sorry my bad.

TROY
MI

travinh · **Posted: 8/3/2011 4:53:10 PM EDT**

Done!
Order was submitted.

Originally Posted By TDMAKER:
check the web site . the package was put up this am . we had a lot going on the last couple days , I didn't inform her until I had it put up. sorry my bad.

TROY
MI

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/3/2011 8:46:13 PM EDT**

Thank you

DRJH1999 · **Posted: 8/5/2011 4:35:42 AM EDT**

Really? I've had a 1st gen Fastfire for four years mounted on various weapons including a 12ga shotgun. Still works. I do like the idea of a pic rail version in case one wants to change to a different optic, or easily remove a damaged one.

Originally Posted By wulkyrie:

Originally Posted By TDMAKER:
If that model has a non removable base it will not work , (sorry) The MD-06 works sweet on these mounts .
thanks

TROY
MI

Honestly, I think a pic railed version will be more popular because of this reason: it is simply more versatile and allows more options just like the pic railed version of your handguard. Although I understand the supply/demand issues that you mentioned, I believe a pic railed version will sell better than the rest: Fastfire is prone to damage from recoil (which is the reason the LaRue Irondot did not sell) and the rest is too expensive for most people. I myself will get a pic railed version in a heart beat, but now I have to wait. I think it is a viable alternative to the TWS Dog Leg rail, which is an excellent product but more expensive. I like the windage adjustment feature very much as it resolves many problems associated with canted front sight and stiff windage drums in an AK. All in all an excellent product, much better designed than the ATTERO version. I am not particularly concerned about co-witness issues.

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/5/2011 7:12:47 AM EDT**

I will start looking into a mini rail version.
thanks
TROY
MI

wulkyrie · **Posted: 8/5/2011 10:02:59 AM EDT**

Originally Posted By DRJH1999:

Really? I've had a 1st gen Fastfire for four years mounted on various weapons including a 12ga shotgun. Still works. I do like the idea of a pic rail version in case one wants to change to a different optic, or easily remove a damaged one.

Originally Posted By wulkyrie:

Originally Posted By TDMAKER:
If that model has a non removable base it will not work , (sorry) The MD-06 works sweet on these mounts .
thanks

TROY
MI

Honestly, I think a pic railed version will be more popular because of this reason: it is simply more versatile and allows more options just like the pic railed version of your handguard. Although I understand the supply/demand issues that you mentioned, I believe a pic railed version will sell better than the rest: Fastfire is prone to damage from recoil (which is the reason the LaRue Irondot did not sell) and the rest is too expensive for most people. I myself will get a pic railed version in a heart beat, but now I have to wait. I think it is a viable alternative to the TWS Dog Leg rail, which is an excellent product but more expensive. I like the windage adjustment feature very much as it resolves many problems associated with canted front sight and stiff windage drums in an AK. All in all an excellent product, much better designed than the ATTERO version. I am not particularly concerned about co-witness issues.

Re: fastfire
This is what I read in another forum, although I have no personal experience, but then one has to ask the question:why did LaRue d/c their irondot? Is it an optic issue or mount issue? If a mount issue, why is it that Larue cannot fix it, considering their reputation? It is like EOTECH, some people have bad experience w/ it but some swear by it. May be you have a good specimen and are lucky.

Add: the problem w/ optic specific mount is that if the optic dies, what other recourse do you have? Buy another of the same when the first one dies or go to a different optic, which you obviously cannot? This is the reason a pic rail works best .

eodinert · **Posted: 8/7/2011 1:34:54 AM EDT**

Originally Posted By wulkyrie:

Add: the problem w/ optic specific mount is that if the optic dies, what other recourse do you have? Buy another of the same when the first one dies or go to a different optic, which you obviously cannot? This is the reason a pic rail works best .

The built in iron sights? Buy another optic?

Up until now, none of the picatinney rail mounting options would allow the optic to co-witness... that's why people used the ultimak to mount their stuff; it gets hot, but it co-witnesses. By using the optic specific mounts, they can get the optic down lower so you can see your sights. You may not be able to see your sights by the time you put the pic rail and the rail mount hardware under the optic.

wulkyrie · **Posted: 8/7/2011 9:37:32 AM EDT**

Originally Posted By eodinert:

Originally Posted By wulkyrie:

Add: the problem w/ optic specific mount is that if the optic dies, what other recourse do you have? Buy another of the same when the first one dies or go to a different optic, which you obviously cannot? This is the reason a pic rail works best .

The built in iron sights? Buy another optic?

Up until now, none of the picatinney rail mounting options would allow the optic to co-witness... that's why people used the ultimak to mount their stuff; it gets hot, but it co-witnesses. By using the optic specific mounts, they can get the optic down lower so you can see your sights. You may not be able to see your sights by the time you put the pic rail and the rail mount hardware under the optic.

Cowitnwss not critical in my opinion. Use a quick detach mount instead in case optic dies to switch to irons.
A friend of mine, ex-SF, actually uses the screen of his eotech as his back up rear sight and centers the front sight in the center of the screen. In very close range, it is good enough.

Liquidmetal · **Posted: 8/8/2011 8:01:52 AM EDT**

A couple of people are running into problems over on the AK Forum:

http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161422

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/8/2011 8:42:18 AM EDT**

You should be using the small set screw at the rear to get the mount close to level. You must make sure your button heads can bite onto the trunion. You can then use your front sight to get you elevation for your zero. Do not use the rear set screw for the purpose of trying to achieve a true co-witness . That is not how this was designed. It was designed around a lower one third . We have 8 different rifles here and we have tried this on all. No problems. I am sure there will be rifles out there where problems may occur . Welcome to the world of the AK.
TROY
MI

Castillo · **Posted: 8/8/2011 3:45:05 PM EDT**

Originally Posted By wulkyrie:

Originally Posted By eodinert:

Originally Posted By wulkyrie:

Add: the problem w/ optic specific mount is that if the optic dies, what other recourse do you have? Buy another of the same when the first one dies or go to a different optic, which you obviously cannot? This is the reason a pic rail works best .

The built in iron sights? Buy another optic?

Up until now, none of the picatinney rail mounting options would allow the optic to co-witness... that's why people used the ultimak to mount their stuff; it gets hot, but it co-witnesses. By using the optic specific mounts, they can get the optic down lower so you can see your sights. You may not be able to see your sights by the time you put the pic rail and the rail mount hardware under the optic.

Cowitnwss not critical in my opinion. Use a quick detach mount instead in case optic dies to switch to irons.
A friend of mine, ex-SF, actually uses the screen of his eotech as his back up rear sight and centers the front sight in the center of the screen. In very close range, it is good enough.

OK, well then there are plenty of side mount options which are throw level mounted for you. This product is for those of us who like co-witness capability.

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/11/2011 3:14:38 PM EDT**

The next run of MDM will feature a improvement to keep the base firmly planted against the trunion. Anyone with a existing model that would like to upgrade it can simply call the CS department at the shop and I will send you the new steel base with hardware.
thanks
TROY
MI

Sniper_B · **Posted: 8/12/2011 12:48:03 AM EDT**

I just mine today and it doesn't bite into the trunion on my arsenal slr106

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/12/2011 7:25:25 AM EDT**

THE ARSENAL 106 IS THE EXACT REASON FOR THE UPGRADE . That rifle is the only one so far we have had any problems with.
Thanks
TROY
MI

FL_Tactical · **Posted: 8/12/2011 11:16:18 AM EDT**

If we order from the site will we get the upgraded version automatically?

Sniper_B · **Posted: 8/12/2011 12:09:07 PM EDT**

Just spoke with Troy, great person and thanks for the help.

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/12/2011 1:46:16 PM EDT**

yes only updated versions will leave
thanks

TROY
MI

okboom · **Posted: 8/14/2011 1:30:34 PM EDT**

Would you have a version available with the PA riser included (at extra cost)? I want to be able to use the sight with an AK and AR, but would appreciate the free shipping.

Thanks.

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/14/2011 4:47:15 PM EDT**

The sight comes with its standard base that attaches to the rail.
thanks
TROY
MI

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/22/2011 1:44:32 PM EDT**

Updated MDM bases going out tomorrow. replacements going out first
thank you
TROY
MI

ProlificARProspect · **Posted: 8/22/2011 2:21:17 PM EDT**

Originally Posted By TDMAKER:
Updated MDM bases going out tomorrow. replacements going out first
thank you
TROY
MI

Can you post pictures of the updated mount?

I'm interested in this mount for a Romi underfolder, but I'm still on the fence do to all the negative reviews. Sounds like a great idea but can you show us pictures of the improved design?

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/22/2011 4:45:11 PM EDT**

I will be getting one out to the media to get photos up this week. if you cant for pictures . email me and I can take one for you and get you one out. We tested the finished parts again today with zero issues .
thanks
TROY
MI

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/23/2011 6:28:27 PM EDT**

All replacement parts went out today u.p.s to everyone on the list .
thank you

TROY
MI

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/25/2011 2:33:08 PM EDT**

All versions are in stock and ready to ship.
thank you
TROY
MI

LongBeach · **Posted: 8/29/2011 3:16:44 PM EDT**

Any plans for a mount that will work with the bushnell TRS-25?

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/29/2011 4:19:47 PM EDT**

Some one please correct me if I am wrong but the tr-25 has a not detachable base? We have been thinking of making a version with a tiny piece of rail. It would not allow co-witness but it would be another option .
Thank you
TROY
MI

dntama · **Posted: 8/29/2011 10:39:21 PM EDT**

Originally Posted By TDMAKER:
Some one please correct me if I am wrong but the tr-25 has a not detachable base? We have been thinking of making a version with a tiny piece of rail. It would not allow co-witness but it would be another option .
Thank you
TROY
MI

Yes, the Bushnell does not have a removeable base.

LongBeach · **Posted: 8/29/2011 11:12:29 PM EDT**

Originally Posted By TDMAKER:
Some one please correct me if I am wrong but the tr-25 has a not detachable base? We have been thinking of making a version with a tiny piece of rail. It would not allow co-witness but it would be another option .
Thank you
TROY
MI

Thats what i was thinking. I forgot to add that it has a built in base that does not remove. Thanks

benelliwangM3 · **Posted: 8/30/2011 4:47:31 AM EDT**

Just received mine and had it installed on my SA-93. The base seems to be strong and I don't see it moving ever. Will test out the base shortly.

R0N · **Posted: 8/30/2011 4:54:23 AM EDT**

Any pictures of the new mount?

Midwest_Ind · **Posted: 8/30/2011 7:10:36 AM EDT**

Pictures on our website. The only visible improvement is the addition of one tapped hole and screw. We did not redesign the whole thing as there was no need. We add one tapped hole a hardened fulcrum type pin and require you to remove the stock rear sight spring. A simple effective fix for a simple highly effective rifle.
Thanks

TROY
MI

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