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Posted: 3/15/2018 12:31:49 PM EDT
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I ended up with a Vortex Spitfire after getting rid of Aimpoint and Eaotech
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Posted: 3/15/2018 12:39:10 PM EDT
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I turn the light intensity down as much as I can and still see the dot.
If the dot is brighter than I need it to be, it starts to get blurry. |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 12:43:11 PM EDT
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I ended up with a Vortex Spitfire after getting rid of Aimpoint and Eaotech |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 12:46:30 PM EDT
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I turn the light intensity down as much as I can and still see the dot. If the dot is brighter than I need it to be, it starts to get blurry. |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 1:54:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/15/2018 1:59:53 PM EDT
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Cheverons Im told are outstanding
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Posted: 3/15/2018 2:09:24 PM EDT
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All red dot sights will look a little different and it depends on lens design, your eye and dot size.
Generally, larger dots look sharper if you have astigmatism, all else being equal. With a larger dot, you can also turn the power down a bit further and still be able to see it, so that may help. As far as precision goes, I tend to use the edge of the dot to aim, so I can get good precision with a larger dot. Battery life has been pretty god with many modern red dots. Astarted it, but many others do that as well now. Holosun is a good budget option. Personally, I really like Shield SIS and use it instead of Aimpoint. Also, while there is pixellation, for precision holosights work better for me and I am very impressed with Vortex UH-1 in that role. ILya www.darklordofoptics.com |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 2:14:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/15/2018 2:14:33 PM EDT
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For a HD rifle optic... It's more important to just be able to see the dot than perfect dot shape
Unless the dot blur is horrible and distracting, then pick the optic you like most and go with that. Red dots are a little blurry to me, a bit misshapen... But not horribly so. It's enough to be a distraction at 100yds, but usable. If I turn down the brightness, then it works fine, and it's ok on the range... Not so good in a defensive situation, where I need to find the dot quickly. I live with it on my HD rifle. I just turn the brightness to a setting that shows up well, even against a bright wall with the flashlight running. I don't need pinpoint precision inside 25yds. The dot is still clear enough to do aimed shots to smaller points, like the head if need be. I did purchase a Trillion 1.5x16 ACOG... I use it on one of my other rifles. I like it, but it isn't perfect either. I recently posted a review on it. Sights like eotech, which use the laser projection... Those are less suseptable in my experience, but not free from distortion. I still see a slight amount through them. But I found the projection style a bit fuzzy on its own, even before I had astigmatism... So I am not a huge fan. Another option I found, is the Meprolight M21 does not distort. It would be a good alternative... And no battery concerns... I believe other reflex sights that use fiber optic and tritium would work as well. For defense, having the fiber optic pointiled forward to pick up reflected light from a flashlight would probably be best. I am also curious about battery powered reflex sights. I have a Vortex venom in the box at home, I should check it out and see if it works without distortion. It could be that the reflex sights, with only their single lens, may not be affected by astigmatism. |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 2:45:39 PM EDT
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Focusing on the target, rather than the dot/reticle, is key IME.
Shoot with both eyes open. |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 3:23:36 PM EDT
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I too have this problem. I think I am going to try absolute co-witness rear sight and try shooting through the aperture. When my BUIS are up the dot is about perfect.
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Posted: 3/15/2018 4:19:00 PM EDT
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I wear rx glasses, but my eyes are f*ck regardless. Nearsighted, astigmatism, I can't use any red dot/holo without blooming if not using glasses, most scopes don't work for me unless I'm wearing glasses too, including Acogs. I just live with it; my go to rifle wears a Comp M4s.
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I too have this problem. I think I am going to try absolute co-witness rear sight and try shooting through the aperture. When my BUIS are up the dot is about perfect. |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 4:20:19 PM EDT
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I wear rx glasses, but my eyes are f*ck regardless. Nearsighted, astigmatism, I can't use any red dot/holo without blooming if not using glasses, most scopes don't work for me unless I'm wearing glasses too, including Acogs. I just live with it; my go to rifle wears a Comp M4s. This is the exact reason why I switched everything I have to absolute co-witness |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 4:30:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Scopes don't work for you? |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 5:17:10 PM EDT
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I've found the Primary Arms 3X Prism w/ ACSS to be an excellent alternative: works for up-close, works for mid-range, works illuminated or not, chevron is awesome, etc. etc. Really great, affordable optic.
I do have Holosun 503c red dot on a few rifles as well and, while I do get some blur/sunburst/etc., I find that turning down the brightness and squinting slightly with my non-aiming eye helps a lot. Moving the dot forward on the rifle helped slightly as well. |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 5:40:11 PM EDT
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Looking through the BUIS seems counter productive... It works at making the reticle more clear, but eliminates the whole purpose of having a red dot.
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Posted: 3/15/2018 5:47:30 PM EDT
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I ended up with a Vortex Spitfire after getting rid of Aimpoint and Eaotech |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 6:21:48 PM EDT
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They wouldn't help in a "bump in the night scenario", but get a pair of quality polarized shades. It takes some of the fuzziness off the red dot, not a crystal clear dot, but it helps a little.
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Posted: 3/15/2018 6:59:26 PM EDT
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I deal with astigmatism as well. And different optics effect me differently, even with the same dot size. I have an aimpoint T1 on my AR pistol and it works without a bad bloom or comet for me in most shooting applications. Bright sunlight, or when I have to turn it up high its very hard for me to use it. I see the RMR dots bot 3.5 and 6 MOA more clearly and "rounded" than I do my AImpoints. Eotechs don't burst on me either. Anything etched works great for me also.
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Posted: 3/15/2018 7:36:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not at all if I'm not wearing my RX, even with the ocular lens focus adjustment. Can see the image clearly THROUGH the scope, but the reticle is either a blur or almost invisible I usually do the reticle at max magnification while pointed at the sky or a wall. Then I back out to 1x and adjust it again to be as close to 1x as possible. Then check it again at max magnification to see if the reticle is still clear enough. |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 7:38:43 PM EDT
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I used red dots for 50yards and closer mainly but am confident out to 2-300yards with one as well.
I have found that my eyes like an Aimpoint 4moa dot best. It may be bigger than the 2moa dots but I see more of a dot vs a comma with many 2moa dots. |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 7:45:31 PM EDT
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Looking through the BUIS seems counter productive... It works at making the reticle more clear, but eliminates the whole purpose of having a red dot. My dots bloom a little bit and look more oval like a snowman than a dot. I'm still able to shoot more than accurate enough for defensive shooting out to 200yds so I don't worry about it. The problem I have is my corrective lenses cause me some problems by giving me a slight double image depending on how they are sitting on my face. squinting one eye fixes this but in order to keep both eyes open I need to have my glasses in the same spot to get a single image. |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 10:02:05 PM EDT
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For home defense I just live with it. Not going to take the time to put my glasses on if woken at 3am. I’m more concerned about being able to identify things and people, so I have a bright light, and I need to be fast, so I have a red dot. My HD 300BLK pistol has a Leupold DPP with the 7.5moa delta (and a TLR2G). All it has to do is give me a fairly gross, “rounds go here”, point of aim at the short distances in my small suburban home. I have the brightness turned all the way up so it’s not washed out when I activate the light in a dark room. It doesn’t bother me one bit that it’s not a perfectly crisp triangle for this application. My wife’s carbine has the Holosun RDS with ACSS reticle, and though a little blurry, it’s still quite useable at bad breath distances with the large horseshoe and what looks like, to me, a line down the middle. Tried the 1x Vortex Spitfire but just didn’t like the reticle or the eye box so sold it. I found that it was slower for me than both a P4Xi (at 1x) and a PA 2.5X.
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Posted: 3/16/2018 12:40:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you adjust the diopter, you are adjusting for either the image or the reticle. They both can't be in focus. I usually do the reticle at max magnification while pointed at the sky or a wall. Then I back out to 1x and adjust it again to be as close to 1x as possible. Then check it again at max magnification to see if the reticle is still clear enough. |
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Posted: 3/16/2018 3:20:30 AM EDT
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Illuminated magnified prism optic.
Profit past 15 yards with front cap open. Profit at close range with front cap closed and illumination on low as astigmatism free occluded eye red dot. I seriously can't recommend this enough. It's about 3" off at 25 yards, but that's better than my astigmatism with a red dot does, and it's repeatable unlike my astigmatism. |
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Posted: 3/16/2018 1:02:36 PM EDT
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I have pretty bad astigmatism and most standard red dots that I own including vortex, holosun, and aimpoint are pretty blurry. Eotech works much sharper for my eyes, as well as anything etched like acog or variable scope.
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Posted: 3/16/2018 1:21:50 PM EDT
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Focusing on the target, rather than the dot/reticle, is key IME. Shoot with both eyes open. |
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Posted: 3/18/2018 3:12:10 AM EDT
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Same opinion here. You should be seeing a target with a dot on it, not a dot with a target behind it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Focusing on the target, rather than the dot/reticle, is key IME. Shoot with both eyes open. ETA: That sounded harsher than intended, but astigmatism is not a red dot noob problem like trying to one eye it. With both eyes open, I see three clear dots and a flare linking them all together. It really isn't an experience thing. |
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Posted: 3/18/2018 9:21:17 AM EDT
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Assuming every person with an astigmatism is just an idiot when it comes to shooting means you have no idea what you're posting about. ETA: That sounded harsher than intended, but astigmatism is not a red dot noob problem like trying to one eye it. With both eyes open, I see three clear dots and a flare linking them all together. It really isn't an experience thing. 
Alot of guys that I talk to immediately jump to "OMG! My reticle/dot is not gnat's ass clear, I have an astigmatism!" When, in fact, they are attempting to focus on the reticle/dot. Enough so that a good friend of mine was about to sell his new Eotech because of it. There is not a damn thing wrong with his eyes or the optic. I never assumed anyone an idiot. |
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Posted: 3/18/2018 9:34:12 AM EDT
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I live with it. It's NOT a presion optic.
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Posted: 3/18/2018 11:49:54 AM EDT
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Trijicon Reflex?
Is this a viable option? https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=RX34A-51 |
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Posted: 3/18/2018 2:47:41 PM EDT
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It was a suggestion based on personal experience.
Alot of guys that I talk to immediately jump to "OMG! My reticle/dot is not gnat's ass clear, I have an astigmatism!" When, in fact, they are attempting to focus on the reticle/dot. Enough so that a good friend of mine was about to sell his new Eotech because of it. There is not a damn thing wrong with his eyes or the optic. I never assumed anyone an idiot. |
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Posted: 3/18/2018 2:50:04 PM EDT
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I have fairly pronounced astigmatism in both eyes. A 1 MOA red dot shows some blurring or "blobbing" of the reticle, which I know is expected. However, at 1 MOA size it's ignorable and doesn't affect accuracy significantly for any red dot shooting I've done in the past. I recently purchased a Meprolight Tru Dot, which has a 2 MOA dot. The blurring is more pronounced than I had expected. I really like this optic and it's features, but the dot doesn't look at all like a dot. Should I live with the blur or send it back and try a different system? Is there anything out there with motion sensitive on/off or extreme battery life that is a viable alternative? I believe EOTech sights did not have this issue with astigmatism, but after their fiasco I'm leery to try them out. This is for a "bump in the night" carbine, so I want a robust 1X illuminated sight I can leave on all the time with minimal concerns about battery replacement. |
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Posted: 3/18/2018 2:52:02 PM EDT
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I also shoot with both eyes open, which seems to make the dot more crisp for me
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Posted: 3/18/2018 3:08:22 PM EDT
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Depends on the type of shooting. For longer range shooting when you have the time using the rear sight to make the dot crisper would be great. For fast shooting it would be counter productive but in a shoot fast situation who really cares how crisp the dot is anyway. My dots bloom a little bit and look more oval like a snowman than a dot. I'm still able to shoot more than accurate enough for defensive shooting out to 200yds so I don't worry about it. The problem I have is my corrective lenses cause me some problems by giving me a slight double image depending on how they are sitting on my face. squinting one eye fixes this but in order to keep both eyes open I need to have my glasses in the same spot to get a single image. Quoted:
You're assuming that people are shooting with one eye closed and they don't have an astigmatism. I think asking that, rather than assuming people with an astigmatism lack experience, is a better approach. I am only following this thread and offered up advice based off of my own experience. I never claimed to have all the answers or to be an optician. If it doesn't work for you, find something else that does.
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Posted: 3/18/2018 3:37:34 PM EDT
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Focusing on the target, rather than the dot/reticle, is key IME. Shoot with both eyes open. If that and arguing is all you have to offer, no need to respond. I wasn't looking to stir up drama, but there's much more to an astigmatism than you realize. Had you asked it may have been a productive approach, but just assuming everyone with an astigmatism is shooting improperly is not helping. |
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Posted: 3/18/2018 3:53:08 PM EDT
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And this isn't assuming? If that and arguing is all you have to offer, no need to respond. I wasn't looking to stir up drama, but there's much more to an astigmatism than you realize. Had you asked it may have been a productive approach, but just assuming everyone with an astigmatism is shooting improperly is not helping. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Focusing on the target, rather than the dot/reticle, is key IME. Shoot with both eyes open. If that and arguing is all you have to offer, no need to respond. I wasn't looking to stir up drama, but there's much more to an astigmatism than you realize. Had you asked it may have been a productive approach, but just assuming everyone with an astigmatism is shooting improperly is not helping. My post was not directed at EVERY poster here. FFS! We get it, it may not work for you in your set of circumstances. Like I said, I never claimed to be an optician or have total insight into the issues associated with astigmatism. And it seems that the only one "arguing" here is you. Go stir shit elsewhere. No point in derailing the OP's thread any more than you have. |
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Posted: 3/18/2018 4:12:32 PM EDT
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Read the damn post linked above...mainly the part where "squinting one eye helps " is mentioned. My post was not directed at EVERY poster here. FFS! We get it, it may not work for you in your set of circumstances. Like I said, I never claimed to be an optician or have total insight into the issues associated with astigmatism. And it seems that the only one "arguing" here is you. Go stir shit elsewhere. No point in derailing the OP's thread any more than you have. Having to give up on red dots all together is frustrating to say the least. If it makes you feel any better, I wish shooting with one eye closed was my problem. 
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Posted: 3/18/2018 4:38:33 PM EDT
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Then I apologize if I took that out of context. Having to give up on red dots all together is frustrating to say the least. If it makes you feel any better, I wish shooting with one eye closed was my problem. My eyes are not what they once were. There are times where fatigue/eye strain make my dots/reticle less than appealing. Sometimes a dot becomes 3 in a cluster. My eye dr. says that I do not have an astigmatism (I panicked and had to know). I recently added an Eotech to my optics, the more I focused on the reticle, the worse it appeared. Flaring/bursting. If I concentrate on the target with both eyes open it helps me. It is more difficult to use than my AP dots, but I am still green at it. I shoot both eyes open on all rds. Not everyone does. I see guys at the range all the time shooting one eyed at 100 yrds attempting "precision" shooting. It does not work for me. Hopefully, a prism type optic is of interest to you and will work. |
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Posted: 3/19/2018 11:16:53 AM EDT
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I wear rx glasses, but my eyes are f*ck regardless. Nearsighted, astigmatism, I can't use any red dot/holo without blooming if not using glasses, most scopes don't work for me unless I'm wearing glasses too, including Acogs. I just live with it; my go to rifle wears a Comp M4s. This is the exact reason why I switched everything I have to absolute co-witness Quote HistoryQuoted:
I wear rx glasses, but my eyes are f*ck regardless. Nearsighted, astigmatism, I can't use any red dot/holo without blooming if not using glasses, most scopes don't work for me unless I'm wearing glasses too, including Acogs. I just live with it; my go to rifle wears a Comp M4s. Quoted:
I too have this problem. I think I am going to try absolute co-witness rear sight and try shooting through the aperture. When my BUIS are up the dot is about perfect. |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 9:36:47 PM EDT
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I just deal with it up close for speed and unobstructed view with both eyes open but if I am aiming at distance for accuracy flipping up my rear sight with small aperture works great. It takes a 8 MOA starburst down to a nice 2 MOA dot. It works.
I have been thinking hard about the TA44 ACSS for just this reason, the extra .5 magnification might help also. Just a lot of cash for 1.5x |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 11:59:07 AM EDT
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I've learn to live with it but it is nice and clear when I slip my glasses on.
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Posted: 3/31/2018 1:20:23 PM EDT
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I've learn to live with it but it is nice and clear when I slip my glasses on.
Since the only time I ever have any problems with optics are with red dots, I just live with it. Red dots aren't made to be shot out at range. Since you're using red dots at close range, the star burst doesn't really change much. The only time I have a problem with red dots is when I try to zero them. |
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Posted: 3/31/2018 4:28:08 PM EDT
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I gave up on red dots. The blur was just awful. I switched to a Steiner p4xi. The dot in the center of the reticle is aimpoint bright if I need it. Most the the time my weapon light illuminates the target so well that the tapered cross hair draws my eyes right in. Plus I have the option to shoot longer distances and it is lighter than an magnifier combo. The field of view at 1x is much bigger at than a red dot allowing me to see more of the target. I will be getting a razor he 2 or pst 2 for my next rifle.
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Posted: 4/1/2018 7:47:08 PM EDT
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Leupold vxr patrol 1.25x4. Motion activated very small dot. For me it is always clear. Vortex etc red dots always blurry. I think the Leupold is a fiber optic dot? Not a projected dot? Could be wrong.
Anyway 1.25 is plenty usable close range if practice and both eyes open. Liked it so much I have 2 of them and bought the 2-7 version for my deer rifle. Started both eyes open with handgun. Now both open for everything including scopes. Recently took a chance and bought an aimpoint Comp m5! Love it! I assume it’s quality is making the difference between it and the cheap ass vortex etc I’ve tried in the past. Eotech I can’t see the center dot at all! I’m a little color blind too. For some reason I can’t use an eotech at all! |
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Posted: 4/1/2018 8:52:16 PM EDT
[#46]
I look at my target and not the dot and it goes perfect circle
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Posted: 4/2/2018 1:09:33 AM EDT
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For an HD rifle deal with the blur-dot. At self defense ranges you gain no advantage with a crisp reticle. It may be frustrating but the reality remains that inside 50m even a firey dot is light years better than an optic that require proper eye placement.
I have an astigmatism. All eyes are different but in order from best- worst out of the dots I've tried: Best: Leupold Delta Point pro DI optical FC1 prismatic primary arms / Aimpoint / Trijicon RMR (all about equal) EOTech Worst |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 1:17:04 AM EDT
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if you have astigmatism wear corrective contacts or glasses
if you wear contacts or not, and shoot with polarized sunglasses, the big red blurry dot will be a pin point, try it |
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Posted: 4/2/2018 1:40:22 AM EDT
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I have astigmatism and dont wear glasses and contacts, docs never picked it up and i have pretty good vision, my first gun had a trs25 and it took me while to notice it. I can still see the dot fine , my problems are st low light
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Posted: 4/2/2018 6:36:23 AM EDT
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I have an astigmatism, and gave up on EOTechs....they are by far my favorite non-magnified optic, and I really prefer the reticle, but the big blurry mess it becomes makes them unusable. Now, I use either MRO's, ACOG's, or Vortex 1-4x on my AR's.
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