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Posted: 10/7/2020 8:11:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/7/2020 8:46:25 PM EDT
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I like the botach norgon clone. I have like 10 and all work perfectly. For the piece you can get 3 for one of the fcd ones.
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Posted: 10/7/2020 8:53:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySo which one is better, standard or long? |
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Posted: 10/7/2020 9:03:22 PM EDT
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Anybody tried the JP one?
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Posted: 10/7/2020 9:10:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/7/2020 9:23:50 PM EDT
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Best at any cost?
LMT part#M7SL Their ambi mag release comes with a free receiver, ambi safety, and the nicest ambi bolt catch/release I’ve seen.  There’s a few up for auction on gunbroker. I don’t know of any retailers with stock. |
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Posted: 10/7/2020 10:02:43 PM EDT
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Norgon Ambi-Catch is the only way.
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Posted: 10/7/2020 10:04:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Norgon Ambi-Catch is the only way. DITTO |
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Posted: 10/7/2020 10:54:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So which one is better, standard or long? This is in the description. For users with small hands or shorter fingers, the extended reach lever makes the EMR-A a joy to use. For duty and defense ARs, we recommend the standard lever. I have the standard dimpled version and it works well for me. I stand 5'6".  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/7/2020 11:17:08 PM EDT
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Norgon for the simplicity. It took me a little bit to get used to using it, being right-handed. Left handed dominant shooters should find it pretty easy to use.
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Posted: 10/7/2020 11:19:01 PM EDT
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Arms Unlimited, $25.00, works perfectly.
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Posted: 10/7/2020 11:24:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis my dad's a lefty and has been swapping all his norgons out. Standard for med hands . Ext for little hands. |
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Posted: 10/7/2020 11:36:29 PM EDT
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The extended lever was what EMR-A designed with. In testing, the lever is easy to use and solves Norgon's problem of being impossibly stiff when there's a fully loaded mag present, but it does its job too well. Yes that can be a thing.
We reduced the length by 0.09" and that became the now standard lever. The dimpled lever is even shorter, both are purposely made harder to press with the included 10.9 in/lb spring, which is about 30% stiffer than TDP spec springs. In 2019, we standardized on the LP (low profile) shaft, the shaft is shorter by one full revolution of the mag catch so the button on the right side sits lower, below the mag button fence. This was done to mitigate unintended/accidental mag drops. The shorter shaft and stiffer spring together make EMR-A's lever stiffer, which is exactly what we want, as EMR-A's lever is unprotected, true of any externally pivoting lever ambi mag catch. Our lower will have a fence for EMR-A's lever. I believe only KAC, Norgon and we had taken mechanical advantage into account and taken steps to address it. |
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Posted: 10/7/2020 11:40:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arms Unlimited, $25.00, works perfectly. x2 |
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Posted: 10/8/2020 12:02:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: x2 Since you guys mentioned this, the Arms Unlimited ($25) and Battle Steel ambi mag release ($20) are both aftermarket version of the Norgon Ambi-Catch ($72). While I like my Norgon, I also have a couple Botach and Arms Unlimited. I prefer the Botach BattlenSteel version, which has a much better "polished" DLC type finish. Not exactly sure what finish they use. They have a more robust G2 version for 308. I understand Botach is like poison here, but the above is strictly my opinion having owned multiple of all 3. |
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Posted: 10/8/2020 12:11:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So which one is better, standard or long? Quote HistoryQuoted: So which one is better, standard or long? Standard IMO |
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Posted: 10/8/2020 6:59:14 AM EDT
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I prefer the Troy, simply because it’s the only one I’ve found that has the lever towards the bottom, creating more clearance space between it and any enhanced bolt catch you may want to use.
I do think it’s overpriced, but it’s the only one I’ve found to my liking. |
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Posted: 10/8/2020 7:41:39 AM EDT
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Norgon.
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Posted: 10/8/2020 8:13:00 AM EDT
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Radian 45/90 deg
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Posted: 10/8/2020 9:43:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Radian 45/90 deg 
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Posted: 10/8/2020 11:09:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: x2 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Arms Unlimited, $25.00, works perfectly. x2 x3. Never used any other, but don't really see the need to pay more for one of the others, in consideration to functionality only. Just my opinion, but it doesn't need to be any more than what it already is: I can reach it just fine with my finger, it doesn't require extra leverage to depress, and it's a whopping $25. The only issue I have with it, or any ambi mag release for that matter, is that years of muscle memory still has me using my supporting hand to drop a mag. |
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Posted: 10/8/2020 11:33:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/8/2020 3:06:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAm I looking at that right, the large button is so you can slap it with your right hand palm? |
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Posted: 10/8/2020 8:50:03 PM EDT
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FCD might interfere with the links for KNS pins. I had to dremel the paddle of mine to get it to clear. went back to Norgon and Norgon clones.
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Posted: 10/8/2020 9:12:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Am I looking at that right, the large button is so you can slap it with your right hand palm? Yes, it’s big I only have it on 3 carbines, and it’s sure easy to find |
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Posted: 10/8/2020 9:30:44 PM EDT
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As a rule, we do not advocate the use of anti walk pins, incompatibility with them is known and acceptable to us. Also as a rule, I refuse to buy or recommend any trigger that can't hold its hammer and trigger pins without external help.
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:57:04 PM EDT
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FCD
#FCDAllTheThings Have Duffy call me
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Posted: 10/9/2020 6:16:18 PM EDT
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FCD.
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Posted: 10/9/2020 6:38:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have Duffy call me He probably would too if someone had a question or concern, just another reason why FCD is crème de la crème. Top notch across the board. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 7:14:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He probably would too if someone had a question or concern, just another reason why FCD is crème de la crème. Top notch across the board. Oh, I dont doubt it. Hes always replied to anything Ive asked in multiple threads and Ive never read a bad thing about them, so I decided to use as many of their parts as I could on mu UU build. And I love the 1am dings from my phone after placing an evening order saying its already shipped
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Posted: 10/9/2020 7:38:29 PM EDT
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My number and email address are on our site, won't post my email addy here in case it violates arfcom rules, it's on the About Us page on our site
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Posted: 10/9/2020 7:39:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, I dont doubt it. Hes always replied to anything Ive asked in multiple threads and Ive never read a bad thing about them, so I decided to use as man of their parts as I could on mu UU build. And I love the 1am dings from my phone after placing an evening order saying its already shipped The shipping monkey only knows one speed. Ludicrous speed.  |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 8:05:22 PM EDT
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I have a Norgon and it is reliable.
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Posted: 10/9/2020 8:11:42 PM EDT
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Norgon
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Posted: 10/10/2020 12:42:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The shipping monkey only knows one speed. Ludicrous speed.  but with more ducks.
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Posted: 10/10/2020 1:09:05 AM EDT
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FCD for just about anything related to peripheral receiver parts.
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:04:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: but with more ducks.we don't talk about the ducks outside of the pond! tacos are ok, but not the ducks |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 6:33:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: we don't talk about the ducks outside of the pond! tacos are ok, but not the ducks  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 6:37:26 PM EDT
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I have the SIG ambi release on 2 of my rifles. I like them.
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Posted: 10/10/2020 6:44:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arms Unlimited, $25.00, works perfectly. Got the FCD and one of these. If they work ok I'll probably put them on all of my other rifles besides my HD/SHTF which is getting the FCD. I wanted the knights but it seems like it's made for right handed people. How far back it sits seems like you'd have to move your index finger back and your grip. But for a righty you could just use your thumb, which is nice. But seems a bit ackward for a lefty, it just doesn't seem to "flow"right |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 7:28:44 PM EDT
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Will a FCD work with a Geissele bolt catch
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Posted: 10/10/2020 8:44:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will a FCD work with a Geissele bolt catch No, they have compatibility issues.  The Geissele Maritime Bolt Catch will work with Norgon, KAC, or Troy ambi mag releases. |
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Posted: 10/11/2020 12:26:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will a FCD work with a Geissele bolt catch No, but it gives you a reason to get their matching bolt catch. |
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Posted: 10/11/2020 1:50:36 PM EDT
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I like the Troy mag release with the Geissele Maritime Bolt Catch, but I don’t have experience with the other setups.
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Posted: 10/11/2020 4:07:49 PM EDT
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Troy
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Posted: 10/15/2020 5:55:06 PM EDT
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The FCD is pretty sweet. I stuck with the stock spring and seems to work ok. I'm guessing the extra weight spring more so for right handed shooters and slapping against their body?
The arms unlimited is ok, definitely worth the price in relation to the FCD. It is a bit more "touchy" but definitely glad I got it. |
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Posted: 10/15/2020 6:34:12 PM EDT
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Don't all the top ones recommended here pivot off the receiver? Isn't that a design flaw, at least compared to Norgon? SLR makes one similar to Norgon.
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Posted: 10/15/2020 7:49:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't all the top ones recommended here pivot off the receiver? Isn't that a design flaw, at least compared to Norgon? SLR makes one similar to Norgon. How's that? |
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Posted: 10/15/2020 8:06:21 PM EDT
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When EMR-A was designed, Norgon still had its patent. When it went to production, the patent had expired, but we had no intention of making a Norgon clone even when we could. The "pivot on the plate" design offers good protection against unintended/accidental mag release, but the lever is short and there's really no getting around it. The short lever is impossible to press except with a thumb when there's a full magazine in the gun, we addressed that with a much more user friendly lever.
The pivot on the receiver design does give us the freedom re: shape and length of the lever. That it pivots off the receiver isn't a concern to us, but the lever isn't as well protected is, thus the inclusion of a stiffer spring. Combined with a shorter shaft (1 full revolution of the mag catch shorter so the right side button sits lower below the mag release fence), both the left and right side mag release is noticeably stiffer, we did this to mitigate unintended/accidental mag drops. |
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Posted: 10/16/2020 12:20:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How's that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't all the top ones recommended here pivot off the receiver? Isn't that a design flaw, at least compared to Norgon? SLR makes one similar to Norgon. How's that? Pivoting off the receiver can eventually wear thru the anodizing. Sure, it will take many cycles to wear thru. |
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