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Posted: 4/26/2018 2:23:23 PM EDT
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My first AR was a 20” A2 Olympic HBAR that I sent off to Kurt’s Kustom Firearms to have a fake flash hider installed on. Gun ran great but dang it was heavy. Only thing from that era I regret letting go was a 14.5” pinned and welded to 16” Bushmaster Izzy. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 3:32:30 PM EDT
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Ah, a victory for marketing. Gun companies are really good at selling products that are cheaper to make as the new must-buy hotness. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ah, a victory for marketing. Gun companies are really good at selling products that are cheaper to make as the new must-buy hotness. Quoted:
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My first AR was a 20” A2 Olympic HBAR that I sent off to Kurt’s Kustom Firearms to have a fake flash hider installed on. Gun ran great but dang it was heavy. Only thing from that era I regret letting go was a 14.5” pinned and welded to 16” Bushmaster Izzy. If you like that P/W setup....shop Gunpartscorp. 14.5 B MP pinned Izzy. Cheap. 
Eta link: Link |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 3:39:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, that actually happens a lot more than people realize. Some recent examples for instance, salt bath nitriding being "just as good as" or even "better" than hard chrome (because it's a much cheaper and easier). Guns being sold without sights or even a FSB to be "optics ready". And having cheap rails put on them instead of traditional M4 style handguards with associate hardware. That won't work! Have you learned nothing from this thread? Go chrome or go home!!! One caveot, check the fsb immediately. A few of us received canted bases. There was a thread in the A2 forum for quite some time. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 4:06:59 PM EDT
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I've bought 2, both CLd. Several here have bought them as well, IIRC 90 % received CLd bbls. One caveot, check the fsb immediately. A few of us received canted bases. There was a thread in the A2 forum for quite some time. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 4:20:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are they advertised as non CL? Is that so if you get a non CL one, you can't return it since it was correctly advertised? But I am speculating at best. Eta: I do know for certain that at least 18 of us received CLd. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 4:40:58 PM EDT
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Cannot answer that. I assume that it was a bulk purchase from BM when they closed the doors and it is a mixed batch or some were never CLd due to shut down. But I am speculating at best. Eta: I do know for certain that at least 18 of us received CLd. FYI if you want to swap out the Izzy flash hider it's pinned both top and bottom and was a real pain to get off. I pin/welded an extended A2 FH on mine, not sure it was worth the effort. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 4:44:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got chrome lined as well. FYI if you want to swap out the Izzy flash hider it's pinned both top and bottom and was a real pain to get off. I pin/welded an extended A2 FH on mine, not sure it was worth the effort. And pinned damn hard. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 7:16:25 PM EDT
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@300WSM If you like that P/W setup....shop Gunpartscorp. 14.5 B MP pinned Izzy. Cheap.
Eta link: Link Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My first AR was a 20" A2 Olympic HBAR that I sent off to Kurt's Kustom Firearms to have a fake flash hider installed on. Gun ran great but dang it was heavy. Only thing from that era I regret letting go was a 14.5" pinned and welded to 16" Bushmaster Izzy. If you like that P/W setup....shop Gunpartscorp. 14.5 B MP pinned Izzy. Cheap.
Eta link: Link |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 8:12:50 PM EDT
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My Bushmaster M4 is that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My first AR was a 20" A2 Olympic HBAR that I sent off to Kurt's Kustom Firearms to have a fake flash hider installed on. Gun ran great but dang it was heavy. Only thing from that era I regret letting go was a 14.5" pinned and welded to 16" Bushmaster Izzy. If you like that P/W setup....shop Gunpartscorp. 14.5 B MP pinned Izzy. Cheap.
Eta link: Link 
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Posted: 4/27/2018 7:28:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every time I fondled a 20" HBAR, I was like, no way do I want that gun. I was spoiled with my govt' barrel. It was not the norm for that era...... But mine was made in 94.
I had handled a couple of SP1’s before of course, but having an HBAR then feeling a Gov profile was like night and day. Felt 6 pounds lighter haha. |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 7:29:52 AM EDT
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@300WSM If you like that P/W setup....shop Gunpartscorp. 14.5 B MP pinned Izzy. Cheap.
Eta link: Link 
ETA: just saw the notes about most getting CL. Might be worth a chance. |
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Posted: 4/27/2018 11:41:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember the first gov profile I felt. I nearly cried tears of joy.
I had handled a couple of SP1’s before of course, but having an HBAR then feeling a Gov profile was like night and day. Felt 6 pounds lighter haha. |
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Posted: 5/1/2018 2:43:08 PM EDT
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I know, they are just crazy front heavy. I mean I can see using one for HiPower and all that, but for a general purpose gun.... crazy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I remember the first gov profile I felt. I nearly cried tears of joy.
I had handled a couple of SP1’s before of course, but having an HBAR then feeling a Gov profile was like night and day. Felt 6 pounds lighter haha. I had to go well out of my way to get a gov't profile for my first AR. |
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Posted: 5/1/2018 3:18:50 PM EDT
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I know, they are just crazy front heavy. I mean I can see using one for HiPower and all that, but for a general purpose gun.... crazy. |
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Posted: 5/1/2018 6:40:08 PM EDT
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It's not that bad without a steel float tube, geeze.  You stud.
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Posted: 5/1/2018 10:07:04 PM EDT
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And yet we still have people arguing that 20" HBAR's are the superior way to go for a chromed barrel shooting ball ammo. I had to go well out of my way to get a gov't profile for my first AR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had handled a couple of SP1’s before of course, but having an HBAR then feeling a Gov profile was like night and day. Felt 6 pounds lighter haha. I had to go well out of my way to get a gov't profile for my first AR.
JSE 20in HBAR |
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Posted: 5/1/2018 10:20:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDPMS Panther Tactical Palm grips are on sale too, what a great combo.
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Posted: 5/1/2018 10:26:45 PM EDT
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Good god... talk about amazing memories... things have come a long way. Thank god. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/171545/_____________________________________________________________________________________________untitled-492170.png https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/171545/90rnd14__54057_1416455548_451_416-492176.gif |
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Posted: 5/2/2018 11:35:41 PM EDT
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I had handled a couple of SP1’s before of course, but having an HBAR then feeling a Gov profile was like night and day. Felt 6 pounds lighter haha. I had to go well out of my way to get a gov't profile for my first AR.
JSE 20in HBAR |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 4:58:59 PM EDT
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Inspired by this thread I am building the typical late 90s early 2000s SWAT M4
Got the Surefire forearm off the EE, stuck it on a M4 with a pinned and welded 14.5 barrel. Now I need an optic, thinking Trijicon RX01 with the big triangle or something very 90s. |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 5:19:57 PM EDT
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You know what optic I thought was cool that you didn't see a ton of back then but never see one now? The TriPower...... I remember thinking I'd dig the chevron over an aimpoint blob.....
They don't still make them, do they? 
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Posted: 5/15/2018 9:33:10 PM EDT
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You know what optic I thought was cool that you didn't see a ton of back then but never see one now? The TriPower...... I remember thinking I'd dig the chevron over an aimpoint blob..... They don't still make them, do they? https://www.opticsplanet.com/gearexpert/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Trijicon-Tripower-for-GearExpert.jpg It's been "phased out". |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 2:23:18 PM EDT
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Inspired by this thread I am building the typical late 90s early 2000s SWAT M4 https://i.imgur.com/X5gVVDo.jpg Got the Surefire forearm off the EE, stuck it on a M4 with a pinned and welded 14.5 barrel. Now I need an optic, thinking Trijicon RX01 with the big triangle or something very 90s.
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Posted: 5/16/2018 2:47:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go with the TA47 ACOG to complete the SWAT movie look.
http://www.fullmovieyoutube.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ColinSWAT.jpg |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 4:44:04 PM EDT
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yup, optic in a carry handle on a flattop
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Posted: 5/16/2018 4:59:56 PM EDT
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yup, optic in a carry handle on a flattop 
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Posted: 5/16/2018 6:54:44 PM EDT
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No, those two guys are doing it right for the times. The optic is cowittnessing with the sights, not high above them
i ran an Aimpoint out front on a KAC rail with an A1 uppered carbine for a while... |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 7:01:25 PM EDT
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yup, optic in a carry handle on a flattop
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Posted: 5/16/2018 11:21:22 PM EDT
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This thread makes me sad. This is still the stuff I have - Tangodown VFGs, Command Arms plastic rails that screw on M4 handguards, YHM and GG&G BUISs, DPMS Glacier Guards that weigh like 5x as much as normal M4 guards, etc..
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Posted: 5/16/2018 11:33:34 PM EDT
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Nothing wrong with a Tango Down VFG (once you get it mounted).
I run a couple GG&G MADs today on SWAT carbines. They're excellent. |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 6:07:12 AM EDT
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You know what optic I thought was cool that you didn't see a ton of back then but never see one now? The TriPower...... I remember thinking I'd dig the chevron over an aimpoint blob..... They don't still make them, do they? https://www.opticsplanet.com/gearexpert/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Trijicon-Tripower-for-GearExpert.jpg |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 9:35:26 PM EDT
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I still rock my TD grips, quad rails, GGG sights and Vltor CASV rails and stocks
I have got some MOE stuff though, trying to keep up lol |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 10:48:55 PM EDT
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I still rock my TD grips, quad rails, GGG sights and Vltor CASV rails and stocks http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/645/713/888.jpg I have got some MOE stuff though, trying to keep up lol |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 5:21:44 AM EDT
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This thread makes me sad. This is still the stuff I have - Tangodown VFGs, Command Arms plastic rails that screw on M4 handguards, YHM and GG&G BUISs, DPMS Glacier Guards that weigh like 5x as much as normal M4 guards, etc.. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 5:22:12 AM EDT
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yup, optic in a carry handle on a flattop |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 6:15:27 PM EDT
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You guys might like this, I mocked up a build I'm looking at doing with a Larue handguard. Going on a lower with an A2 grip and a CAR stock. Can't decide between a 14.5" or 12.5". |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 9:50:30 PM EDT
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14.7" pinned & welded M4gery w/ M7 bayonet.
Is your MaTech brand new or used? |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 10:44:38 PM EDT
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https://i.imgur.com/wInQ8xv.jpg You guys might like this, I mocked up a build I'm looking at doing with a Larue handguard. Going on a lower with an A2 grip and a CAR stock. Can't decide between a 14.5" or 12.5". And 14.5"
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:19:50 PM EDT
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14.7" pinned & welded M4gery w/ M7 bayonet. Is your MaTech brand new or used? |
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Posted: 5/22/2018 11:43:28 AM EDT
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https://i.imgur.com/wInQ8xv.jpg You guys might like this, I mocked up a build I'm looking at doing with a Larue handguard. Going on a lower with an A2 grip and a CAR stock. Can't decide between a 14.5" or 12.5".
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Posted: 5/22/2018 5:28:33 PM EDT
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i'm with him. I'd 12.5 if I had the money to. But with a short can of course. Since we're spending your money.
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Posted: 5/22/2018 9:27:48 PM EDT
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That VITAL though.
Another vote for 12.5 with a short can or Surefire Warden. |
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Posted: 5/22/2018 9:38:22 PM EDT
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Go with the TA47 ACOG to complete the SWAT movie look.
http://www.fullmovieyoutube.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ColinSWAT.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Inspired by this thread I am building the typical late 90s early 2000s SWAT M4 https://i.imgur.com/X5gVVDo.jpg Got the Surefire forearm off the EE, stuck it on a M4 with a pinned and welded 14.5 barrel. Now I need an optic, thinking Trijicon RX01 with the big triangle or something very 90s.
http://www.fullmovieyoutube.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ColinSWAT.jpg
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Posted: 5/22/2018 10:40:47 PM EDT
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i'm with him. I'd 12.5 if I had the money to. But with a short can of course. Since we're spending your money. I was leaning 12.5”, too. I have a (these days considered) giant M951 for it to wear, too. |
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Posted: 5/22/2018 10:54:40 PM EDT
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You know what optic I thought was cool that you didn't see a ton of back then but never see one now? The TriPower...... I remember thinking I'd dig the chevron over an aimpoint blob..... They don't still make them, do they? https://www.opticsplanet.com/gearexpert/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Trijicon-Tripower-for-GearExpert.jpg |
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Posted: 5/23/2018 7:27:59 AM EDT
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Everything on my Block I clone with SOPMOD 1997 tech....
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Posted: 5/23/2018 12:29:24 PM EDT
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Were sopmod stocks out in 97???
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Posted: 5/23/2018 12:30:21 PM EDT
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Were sopmod stocks out in 97???
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Posted: 5/23/2018 4:36:10 PM EDT
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Were sopmod stocks out in 97??? 
This pic from Article on Building Clones August issue of SWAT Magazine out this July! |
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Posted: 5/23/2018 4:51:31 PM EDT
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No flat tops in 97 for commercial sale either! Or those BUIS.
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