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3/25/2018 11:15:08 AM EDT
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Colt M4A1 with 14.5" heavy barrel, Knights Armament M4 RAS, A2 flash hider, waffle stock, Matech BUIS, ambi safety, and either a CCO or ACOG.
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I had not seen ambi safeties elsewhere.  Any particular type of ambi?
3/25/2018 11:17:27 AM EDT
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That makes more sense.  Security Forces might see things differently, but from my perspective in Ground Radio, I think I “get” where you were and what you did more than folks in other career fields.
3/25/2018 11:30:38 AM EDT
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(and even if it was, it's not 100% forbidden anyway).
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Here's my current work gun, regular AF guy. A1 flavor. My unit has enough ACOGs for everyone, and about half as many CompM4s as there are people, if someone wants to swap one out. Most of us use the ACOG most of the time. The guy who had this gun before me liked tape switches apparently, there is velcro on the upper on this side, and just above the magwell on the opposite side.

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The AF still has a ton of M16A2s in inventory in various places. I took one to Iraq in 2011, it was an M16 lower converted to A2 with a brand spanky new FN A2 upper. Some Colt database I found said the lower serial number was in the original block shipment of M16s the AF received in 1963, IIRC. I'm sure that rifle is still sitting in a warehouse on Hill AFB, if it isn't being used.
3/25/2018 11:36:22 AM EDT
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2011?  I was in Basra then.
3/25/2018 11:52:26 AM EDT
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That is what I consider to be a basic M4.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/76904/007-491223.JPG
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And this is still my favorite (or 'muh' favorite).
3/25/2018 12:37:28 PM EDT
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So far, the responses here have been very illuminating, very informative, and unfortunately they're going to be expensive for me, because I still have to get an ACOG...

Which model ACOG is most common?  Are there still TA11s out there, or are they all TA31s now?
3/25/2018 12:46:49 PM EDT
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I had not seen ambi safeties elsewhere.  Any particular type of ambi?
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Here is the ambi safety that I get and add to issue guns.  You can see the cage code.
NSN: 1005-01-585-6042
CAGE: 1KW91 (Manufacturing Support Industries in Salisbury MD)
PN: 130227935
SELECTOR FIRE CONTROL
Cost: $16.74 ea to DoD

While not made by Colt, looks just like theirs however.






CD
3/25/2018 12:47:33 PM EDT
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Had to take everything off my M4A1 to shoot in the All Army Matches at Benning in 05', irons out to 500yds.

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I earned my EIC rifle badge in bronze on that range in 2016 while on the trail!  Roasting on target detail in the pits in middle of August was damned terrible though.
3/25/2018 12:47:44 PM EDT
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2011?  I was in Basra then.
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I was wrapping up Kirkuk, and handing it over to the Iraqis so they could pretty much loot it wholesale.
3/25/2018 12:51:51 PM EDT
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What unit were you in?
3/25/2018 1:04:07 PM EDT
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So far, the responses here have been very illuminating, very informative, and unfortunately they're going to be expensive for me, because I still have to get an ACOG...

Which model ACOG is most common?  Are there still TA11s out there, or are they all TA31s now?
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TA31RCO-M150CPs are what we had and what I saw most frequently with other units as well.
3/25/2018 4:53:13 PM EDT
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Here's my current work gun, regular AF guy. A1 flavor. My unit has enough ACOGs for everyone, and about half as many CompM4s as there are people, if someone wants to swap one out. Most of us use the ACOG most of the time. The guy who had this gun before me liked tape switches apparently, there is velcro on the upper on this side, and just above the magwell on the opposite side.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/314713/_A1_-461271-493662.JPG

The AF still has a ton of M16A2s in inventory in various places. I took one to Iraq in 2011, it was an M16 lower converted to A2 with a brand spanky new FN A2 upper. Some Colt database I found said the lower serial number was in the original block shipment of M16s the AF received in 1963, IIRC. I'm sure that rifle is still sitting in a warehouse on Hill AFB, if it isn't being used.
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Leave it to the govt' dudes to be enterprising.  I've never seen anyone use a butler creek cap on an ACOG.   Nice.
3/25/2018 5:49:09 PM EDT
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I believe the upcoming Army spec will be a 14.5" mid-length barrel and Geissele rail...not sure what the new spec will be called, but I'm sure someone here does.
3/25/2018 7:32:18 PM EDT
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I believe the upcoming Army spec will be a 14.5" mid-length barrel and Geissele rail...not sure what the new spec will be called, but I'm sure someone here does.
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Nah that's special operations only. USASOC specifically. Big Army is still stuck with same ol. Which is not a bad thing because it works extremely well as is. Could use a free float rail tho
3/25/2018 8:05:55 PM EDT
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Given the sling is pulling on the bbl, and the front sight is moving w/ the bbl, while the optic does not, that's not surprising.  Have you observed that shift w/ the heavier bbl of the M4A1?

Be interesting to see how much shift you observe from a red dot mounted forward on the rail when you pull the sling tight.
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The .84" diameter of the M4A1 barrel should significantly reduce deflection over the .64" barrel of the M4
3/25/2018 8:06:30 PM EDT
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I had not seen ambi safeties elsewhere.  Any particular type of ambi?
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Colt.
3/25/2018 8:07:27 PM EDT
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Here is the ambi safety that I get and add to issue guns.  You can see the cage code.
NSN: 1005-01-585-6042
CAGE: 1KW91 (Manufacturing Support Industries in Salisbury MD)
PN: 130227935
SELECTOR FIRE CONTROL
Cost: $16.74 ea to DoD

While not made by Colt, looks just like theirs however.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/lever1-1.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/lever2-1.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_1949_rz.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_1948_rz.jpg

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le sigh. I wish someone who make one for civilians besides colt.....They run $70 for us.
3/25/2018 8:12:05 PM EDT
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Here is the ambi safety that I get and add to issue guns.  You can see the cage code.
NSN: 1005-01-585-6042
CAGE: 1KW91 (Manufacturing Support Industries in Salisbury MD)
PN: 130227935
SELECTOR FIRE CONTROL
Cost: $16.74 ea to DoD

While not made by Colt, looks just like theirs however.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/lever1-1.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/lever2-1.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_1949_rz.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_1948_rz.jpg

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Just checked out their website. Looks like they are a typical job shop making lots of cool stuff for you guys.
But straight to .gov only.
3/25/2018 8:22:06 PM EDT
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Just checked out their website. Looks like they are a typical job shop making lots of cool stuff for you guys.
But straight to .gov only.
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Same. Dammit.
3/25/2018 9:17:23 PM EDT
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G&R lists them for $40 but they’re out of stock.  Arms Unlimited lists them for $42 but also out of stock.  Specialized Armament lists them for $75 but, you guessed it!  I’ll keep my eyes open on this.  I’m a lot more likely to be able to swing a legit ambi safety than an ACOG at the moment.  
3/25/2018 10:45:46 PM EDT
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If you're looking for roll marks this is what they look like after conversion to M4A1 spec.

3/25/2018 10:50:11 PM EDT
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G&R lists them for $40 but they’re out of stock.  Arms Unlimited lists them for $42 but also out of stock.  Specialized Armament lists them for $75 but, you guessed it!  I’ll keep my eyes open on this.  I’m a lot more likely to be able to swing a legit ambi safety than an ACOG at the moment.  
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Watch the EE.  A member was selling KAC ambi selectors new in bag (ambi flavor) for $35 each recently.
3/25/2018 11:01:24 PM EDT
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Can you elaborate on this if possible?  Do you know what the conditions are?  Thanks
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They have found several converted rifles that would fire without the trigger being pressed. The rifles fired when the selector was rotated. The conditions had to be just right for this to occur, but troubling still.
Can you elaborate on this if possible?  Do you know what the conditions are?  Thanks
I witnessed this multiple times at Leonard Wood over the past couple months, the weapon could not be placed on safe after cycling the action multiple times to reset the trigger.  If you forced the selector, the hammer would fall.  The basic training company I was with had a handful of ND's with live ammo and blanks as a result.
3/25/2018 11:03:42 PM EDT
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Watch the EE.  A member was selling KAC ambi selectors new in bag (ambi flavor) for $35 each recently.
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Those aren't the issue selector, the issue ambi selector has a hex bolt that protrudes from the right side, not recessed like the KAC selector.
3/26/2018 12:05:48 AM EDT
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I go new and improved

14.5" Colt SOCOM barre. Too many parts to list.

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3/26/2018 6:22:10 AM EDT
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Those aren't the issue selector, the issue ambi selector has a hex bolt that protrudes from the right side, not recessed like the KAC selector.
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Watch the EE.  A member was selling KAC ambi selectors new in bag (ambi flavor) for $35 each recently.
Those aren't the issue selector, the issue ambi selector has a hex bolt that protrudes from the right side, not recessed like the KAC selector.
Ahh...my bad then. Thanks.
3/26/2018 10:54:08 AM EDT
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le sigh. I wish someone who make one for civilians besides colt.....They run $70 for us.
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Brownells gets them pretty regularly, $45 for me, looks like $47 for regular people. Of course all sold out now.

Colt full auto selector
3/27/2018 9:07:39 AM EDT
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Just checked out their website. Looks like they are a typical job shop making lots of cool stuff for you guys.
But straight to .gov only.
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Here is the ambi safety that I get and add to issue guns.  You can see the cage code.
NSN: 1005-01-585-6042
CAGE: 1KW91 (Manufacturing Support Industries in Salisbury MD)
PN: 130227935
SELECTOR FIRE CONTROL
Cost: $16.74 ea to DoD

While not made by Colt, looks just like theirs however.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/lever1-1.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/lever2-1.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_1949_rz.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_1948_rz.jpg

CD
Just checked out their website. Looks like they are a typical job shop making lots of cool stuff for you guys.
But straight to .gov only.
Serious question:

How feasible is it to contact the manufacturer and ask to buy one for personal use? What about an individual buying 50-100 pieces solely for the purpose of selling them at cost to get them to the clone community?

It might help to explain the clone game and the dedication people in the community have for authenticity, even to the point of engraving 80% receivers, etc.  Hell, send them to these threads to demonstrate the lengths some people go to.
3/27/2018 9:14:45 AM EDT
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Serious question:

How feasible is it to contact the manufacturer and ask to buy one for personal use? What about an individual buying 50-100 pieces solely for the purpose of selling them at cost to get them to the clone community?

It might help to explain the clone game and the dedication people in the community have for authenticity, even to the point of engraving 80% receivers, etc.  Hell, send them to these threads to demonstrate the lengths some people go to.
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Not going to happen.

See above.
3/27/2018 10:13:27 AM EDT
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Serious question:

How feasible is it to contact the manufacturer and ask to buy one for personal use? What about an individual buying 50-100 pieces solely for the purpose of selling them at cost to get them to the clone community?

It might help to explain the clone game and the dedication people in the community have for authenticity, even to the point of engraving 80% receivers, etc.  Hell, send them to these threads to demonstrate the lengths some people go to.
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I'm sure their contract with Uncle Sam has very strict prohibitions against such things.
I'm sure it's akin to FN having to make their civi rifles in an entirely different plant than the contract rifles.
3/27/2018 10:17:30 AM EDT
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I'm sure it's akin to FN having to make their civi rifles in an entirely different plant than the contract rifles.
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That's more to do w/ the TDP debacle.
3/27/2018 12:25:28 PM EDT
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Serious question:

How feasible is it to contact the manufacturer and ask to buy one for personal use? What about an individual buying 50-100 pieces solely for the purpose of selling them at cost to get them to the clone community?

It might help to explain the clone game and the dedication people in the community have for authenticity, even to the point of engraving 80% receivers, etc.  Hell, send them to these threads to demonstrate the lengths some people go to.
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Colt and other manufacturers don't care if cloners clone .mil rifles or not, especially not enough to sell 50-100 small parts. And as others pointed out, government contracts may forbid them anyway.

A big company like Colt might sell in lots of a few thousand or maybe ten thousand, but it's just not worth it 50 safety selectors. That's part of the reason why so many AR parts manufacturers have sprung up to sell you and I a handful or parts at a time, as individuals.
3/27/2018 12:42:32 PM EDT
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So far, the responses here have been very illuminating, very informative, and unfortunately they're going to be expensive for me, because I still have to get an ACOG...

Which model ACOG is most common?  Are there still TA11s out there, or are they all TA31s now?
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It all depends on the branch of service and unit requirements. The Marine Corps uses the TA31RCO-M4CP. I believe that the Army uses or used the TA01NSN. Not sure who uses the TA11 on an M4/M4A1.
3/28/2018 8:30:06 AM EDT
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Here’s what I was issued 16/17 for AFG.

Basic M4 with RAS and Matech.

Got the TA11 issued in theatre.

EDIT: The Geissele SCH and sling setup were added by me. I wasn’t issue a sling

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3/28/2018 11:17:11 AM EDT
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It all depends on the branch of service and unit requirements. The Marine Corps uses the TA31RCO-M4CP. I believe that the Army uses or used the TA01NSN. Not sure who uses the TA11 on an M4/M4A1.
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Army as well as the AF use the M150 version of the TA31 (although I've seen a few TA31Fs in AF armories). NSN hasn't been an issue item for a while, AFAIK.
3/28/2018 3:57:51 PM EDT
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Brownells gets them pretty regularly, $45 for me, looks like $47 for regular people. Of course all sold out now.

Colt full auto selector
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Very nice, I usually go SAW because they're usally in stock but.....$75.
3/28/2018 9:32:56 PM EDT
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FLNG

3/28/2018 9:45:35 PM EDT
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Army as well as the AF use the M150 version of the TA31 (although I've seen a few TA31Fs in AF armories). NSN hasn't been an issue item for a while, AFAIK.
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Your unit still issues them. I’m pulling one Friday to qual. Talk to the S4.
3/28/2018 9:46:07 PM EDT
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Here’s what I was issued 16/17 for AFG.

Basic M4 with RAS and Matech.

Got the TA11 issued in theatre.

EDIT: The Geissele SCH and sling setup were added by me. I wasn’t issue a sling

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/263816/31039C19-2BE4-46D8-8EC1-9C2949F2BEAE-496521.JPG
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I hope there's no red blotches in the window of that optic sir. If so I'm gonna need to buy it off you on the EE then return it back to you
3/29/2018 8:53:25 AM EDT
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What's with the FA block thing?
3/29/2018 10:04:33 AM EDT
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What's with the FA block thing?
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What's with the FA block thing?
In the event of an emergency it breaks off and it’s fun time.
3/29/2018 10:38:22 AM EDT
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In the event of an emergency it breaks off and it’s fun time.
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What's with the FA block thing?
In the event of an emergency it breaks off and it’s fun time.
I've not seen one. Full story? I need details please.
3/29/2018 10:56:17 AM EDT
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It was during Hurricane Irma.

FLNG didn't want their troops to go rock 'n roll with a 10rd, tapped up mag if SHTF.



Been issued on NG guns for a while. It prevents auto to be engaged.
3/29/2018 11:08:03 AM EDT
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It was during Hurricane Irma.

FLNG didn't want their troops to go rock 'n roll with a 10rd, tapped up mag if SHTF.

https://i.imgur.com/WmpxJ3a.jpg

Been issued on NG guns for a while. It prevents auto to be engaged.
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Akin to "opening up a can of whoopass".  
Cool, I've not seen one.
3/29/2018 12:23:52 PM EDT
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I hope there's no red blotches in the window of that optic sir. If so I'm gonna need to buy it off you on the EE then return it back to you
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Here’s what I was issued 16/17 for AFG.

Basic M4 with RAS and Matech.

Got the TA11 issued in theatre.

EDIT: The Geissele SCH and sling setup were added by me. I wasn’t issue a sling

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/263816/31039C19-2BE4-46D8-8EC1-9C2949F2BEAE-496521.JPG
I hope there's no red blotches in the window of that optic sir. If so I'm gonna need to buy it off you on the EE then return it back to you
I need to clone that rifle. I hated it, but dammit I carried it so I’ll clone it.
3/29/2018 12:49:10 PM EDT
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I need to clone that rifle. I hated it, but dammit I carried it so I’ll clone it.
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Would you expand on why you hated it?
3/29/2018 12:51:46 PM EDT
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Short hand guard, ta11 is huge, and the trigger sucked.

But it always went bang, unlike my M9.
3/29/2018 1:31:45 PM EDT
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Aaaah.
3/29/2018 8:21:44 PM EDT
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Nah that's special operations only. USASOC specifically. Big Army is still stuck with same ol. Which is not a bad thing because it works extremely well as is. Could use a free float rail tho
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I believe the upcoming Army spec will be a 14.5" mid-length barrel and Geissele rail...not sure what the new spec will be called, but I'm sure someone here does.
Nah that's special operations only. USASOC specifically. Big Army is still stuck with same ol. Which is not a bad thing because it works extremely well as is. Could use a free float rail tho
DD Omega would be the best option for refitting all rifles. It could be done at armorer level, in country.

Otherwise... My little cousin got deployed overseas some months ago, think Korea. He kept the brand new M4A1 he was issued in basic, an ACOG, waffle stock, KAC RAS, VCAS sling, rail covers and foregrip. He said others in his unit got M68's, something like half and half.
3/29/2018 9:17:32 PM EDT
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DD Omega would be the best option for refitting all rifles. It could be done at armorer level, in country.

Otherwise... My little cousin got deployed overseas some months ago, think Korea. He kept the brand new M4A1 he was issued in basic, an ACOG, waffle stock, KAC RAS, VCAS sling, rail covers and foregrip. He said others in his unit got M68's, something like half and half.
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Army is to dead set on replacing the M4 with the NGSAR to bother upgrading the rail.

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