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Originally Posted By cebiNg: @50cal Is this one of the company photos? https://i.imgur.com/q2G54A1.jpeg View Quote Looks really familiar. Going with "yes". |
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I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me and say "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.
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Cool shot. I came across it through searches in the past.
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Anybody ever rock an elcan on the ARMS SIR rail?
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Were the Ops inc 6.8 cans during testing just a model 12 556 bored out?
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Awesome thread!
Thanks for sharing all the info! |
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Originally Posted By cebiNg: Anybody know the report or article this image was pulled from? I saved it from a thread awhile back and I didn’t even realize what I was looking at at the time besides a Mod 0. It is a 6.8 SPR MK12 prototype. Reverse image search just brings up the archived thread I found it on here at ARFCOM. Even googling the text in the image just brings up random sites. https://i.imgur.com/MDPYCZm.jpeg View Quote SWFA SS HD 10X for seeing bad guys. I regret not buying one of those scopes at the end when they were blowing everything out the door. |
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Originally Posted By heavy260: SWFA SS HD 10X for seeing bad guys. I regret not buying one of those scopes at the end when they were blowing everything out the door. View Quote I have a 10x SS on an 82a1 and a 16x SS on an M95. Very good optic for the money. Got both of mine back when the standard price for the mil dot reticle model was $300. Both are the Tasco branded ones. Found a second 16x for a .308 AR not long ago. Found it used at a yard sale for $20 |
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I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me and say "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.
Sic semper evello mortem tyrannis |
I have several 6x and they’re decent, I use them for hunting, but the 10x HD is better glass and turrets and LOW made.
Had the big green R not fukd up the original 6.8 it would have taken off better. Would be nice to walk into a shop and buy a bolt action in 6.8II but that ship sailed shortly after release. I need to find the magazines I have about ARs and the history/ introduction of the 6.8 to SF. Some good stuff in them. |
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Originally Posted By heavy260: SWFA SS HD 10X for seeing bad guys. I regret not buying one of those scopes at the end when they were blowing everything out the door. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By heavy260: Originally Posted By cebiNg: Anybody know the report or article this image was pulled from? I saved it from a thread awhile back and I didn’t even realize what I was looking at at the time besides a Mod 0. It is a 6.8 SPR MK12 prototype. Reverse image search just brings up the archived thread I found it on here at ARFCOM. Even googling the text in the image just brings up random sites. https://i.imgur.com/MDPYCZm.jpeg SWFA SS HD 10X for seeing bad guys. I regret not buying one of those scopes at the end when they were blowing everything out the door. Man, what a time it would have been to snag this stuff up. From what I was able to gleam, the mount and rings in this photo were the A.R.M.S. #19 and #21 stanag rings with a height of 1.150” from top of the rail to the center of the optic (per directly from ARMS). |
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Originally Posted By heavy260: I have several 6x and they’re decent, I use them for hunting, but the 10x HD is better glass and turrets and LOW made. Had the big green R not fukd up the original 6.8 it would have taken off better. Would be nice to walk into a shop and buy a bolt action in 6.8II but that ship sailed shortly after release. I need to find the magazines I have about ARs and the history/ introduction of the 6.8 to SF. Some good stuff in them. View Quote I’d be interested to see what those magazines had to say. |
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Originally Posted By cebiNg: In case anybody was interested, I spoke with Ron Allen and he said the cans were ordered as 6.8 and had the accompanying markings on them to indicate the caliber. Cool stuff. View Quote You can still find M4-2000 6.8 suppressors on gunbroker. Been trying to get one for a few years. They get bid up way too much for my blood. Would love to get one for my piston 6.8 |
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I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me and say "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.
Sic semper evello mortem tyrannis |
Originally Posted By heavy260: Would be nice to walk into a shop and buy a bolt action in 6.8II but that ship sailed shortly after release. View Quote If companies gear up to make some 400 Legends they'd have the right bolt face, so would just take a barrel. The Howa Mini looks interesting. There are a lot of bolt rifles coming on the market because of the straightwall hunting states and the most popular cartridges are made to fit the AR magwell so maybe we'll see a renaissance. |
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This is...a clue - Pat_Rogers
I'm not adequately aluminumized for this thread. - gonzo_beyondo CO, MI, OR - Please lobby your legislators to end discrimination against non-resident CCW permit holders |
The posted load using 115 grain SMK's, Remington 6.5 primers through a 22" barrel bolt action rifle reached 2860 fps!
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24' Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21' |
This thread is awesome!
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Originally Posted By d16man: My ARP barrels love the S&B stuff. I used to buy it for $9/box at PSA. Haven't seen it on the shelves in a long time. Glad I stocked up when I did. View Quote same and bought my buddy’s stash of S&B 110 fmj at $14 a box, iirc I bought ten boxes. I already had some as it was my source for brass. My own load is the 95 ttsx with 2200. I remember a coworker had a Rem 700 6.8 rem. I forget the sub model but likely a police heavy barrel type. He ended up sending it back to Remington as it would not shoot. He had a decent rapport with the factory being our chief armorer and not living that far from Ilion. I really remember he got boned by another coworker on the scope he had for that rifle. Another firearms instructor sold him a chinese knockoff Leupold tactical scope. The all one digit repeated serial number was the obvious tell besides the turret workings. I was the one to burst his bubble on his scope deal and pulled up the Sniper’s hide thread on the chinese fakes. He just had no luck on that project. The M700 looked nice. If they shot well I think I’d want one. |
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That’s a rough go of misfortune.
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Originally Posted By SteelonSteel: same and bought my buddy’s stash of S&B 110 fmj at $14 a box, iirc I bought ten boxes. I already had some as it was my source for brass. My own load is the 95 ttsx with 2200. I remember a coworker had a Rem 700 6.8 rem. I forget the sub model but likely a police heavy barrel type. He ended up sending it back to Remington as it would not shoot. He had a decent rapport with the factory being our chief armorer and not living that far from Ilion. I really remember he got boned by another coworker on the scope he had for that rifle. Another firearms instructor sold him a chinese knockoff Leupold tactical scope. The all one digit repeated serial number was the obvious tell besides the turret workings. I was the one to burst his bubble on his scope deal and pulled up the Sniper’s hide thread on the chinese fakes. He just had no luck on that project. The M700 looked nice. If they shot well I think I’d want one. View Quote The Model 7 should have been offered as a youth gun in 6.8 SPC. |
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24' Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21' |
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: The Model 7 should have been offered as a youth gun in 6.8 SPC. View Quote That would have been a just right gun! My older version with 18.5” barrel model 7 is in 7-08. It’s a good combo too. The older I get I like rifles that are enough but not excessive for a whitetail or carrying. My 6.8 is a fairly light build too. A bolt and barrel from he who shall not be named on this site. Almost bought an on sale Wilson when they still had options but the lighter stuff was always out of stock. |
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Originally Posted By SteelonSteel: My 6.8 is a fairly light build too. A bolt and barrel from he who shall not be named on this site. Almost bought an on sale Wilson when they still had options but the lighter stuff was always out of stock. View Quote He who shall not be named has retired and the product lines were sold to another vendor, I was told by site mgt that it's ok to name them now since the offending business no longer exists. Part of the drop in interest in 6.8 over the years was that one of the top vendors for 6.8 barrels and some other neat projects couldn't be discussed here. Which is kind of a shame. The bolt and barrel extension that they designed and had made to fit 6mm BR into the AR15 could have been a game changer, but it couldn't be discussed, now it's like it no longer exists. |
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This is...a clue - Pat_Rogers
I'm not adequately aluminumized for this thread. - gonzo_beyondo CO, MI, OR - Please lobby your legislators to end discrimination against non-resident CCW permit holders |
so, the "he shall no longer be named" is OUT OF THE BUSINESS and we can get back to discussing a kickass caliber used in ar platforms.
when can I get MADE IN USA fmj? getting tired of high priced Hornady ammo. |
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The deuce you say.
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I’ve been enjoying shooting mine lately. Just built one for the first time. It shot like hell till I figured out the Bbilt was the issue. Now it shoots like a dream. I need to take the 5X off and put on a good optic and see what kind of groups it actually can do.
I should have built one years ago. One of my friends tried talking me into it and I passed. |
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Originally Posted By racer765: so, the "he shall no longer be named" is OUT OF THE BUSINESS and we can get back to discussing a kickass caliber used in ar platforms. when can I get MADE IN USA fmj? getting tired of high priced Hornady ammo. View Quote The local fleet farm has American eagle 6.8 fmj at $1.23 a round. S&B fmj and hpbt ammo can be had for $1 a round or less online. There are a lot of interesting hunting spc ii spec rounds to be had from cavity back bullets and Druid hill armory if one doesn’t reload. |
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Originally Posted By cebiNg: The ARMS scope mount in this pic is the #19 with #21 rings, anybody know the centerline height of this combination? A brief search of the ARMS website doesn't give this info like it does on their other scope mounts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cebiNg: Originally Posted By cebiNg: Anybody know the report or article this image was pulled from? I saved it from a thread awhile back and I didn't even realize what I was looking at at the time besides a Mod 0. It is a 6.8 SPR MK12 prototype. Reverse image search just brings up the archived thread I found it on here at ARFCOM. Even googling the text in the image just brings up random sites. https://i.imgur.com/MDPYCZm.jpeg The ARMS scope mount in this pic is the #19 with #21 rings, anybody know the centerline height of this combination? A brief search of the ARMS website doesn't give this info like it does on their other scope mounts. |
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Originally Posted By 50cal: You can still find M4-2000 6.8 suppressors on gunbroker. Been trying to get one for a few years. They get bid up way too much for my blood. Would love to get one for my piston 6.8 View Quote I have a bunch of M4-2K’s in 68 but managed to find the coolest one of all with the serial number specifically four the six eight. |
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Herpin' TX.
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Originally Posted By cebiNg: Anybody ever rock an elcan on the ARMS SIR rail? View Quote |
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I hear good things about the older SA brass, especially for wildcatters. A 12.5” variant has been catching my attention.
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I have been a 6.8SPC user since 2011ish, maybe a bit before or after, can't remember exactly.
We switched to 6.8SPC after losing a number of coyotes during calling contests, costing us quite a bit of money in placings. We started with the 6.8SPC and Bison barrels, 110gr VMAX or the S&B 110gr PTS. They worked phenomenal and we went a number of contests without losing a single coyote. Then the PTS supply ran out for us and it SEEMED like the VMAX bullet construction changed and went more Varmint, we lost a few coyotes. I grabbed some XM68GD 90gr Gold Dot ammo on sale and it worked and worked well. But was so hard to find that I began looking for alternatives. Barnes TSX and TTSX didn't seem to open up reliably enough in coyotes, lost a few coyotes with those too. Then I found Cavity Back Bullets. Their 105gr MKZ is an incredible bullet. Opens up reliably, and fast. Even on coyotes and other small thin skinned animals, as well as big whitetail deer. From my 16" Wilson barrel I'm getting them going about 2700-2750fps. Hit's like a hammer. I have 500 90gr Gold Dots I'm saving for something but don't really know what. Ideally I'd buy a bunch of Starline 6.8SPC brass and make some 'new' XM68GD. I need to do that. Anyways since getting into 6.8SPC I've tried several barrel makers. Wilson Combat, Bison Armory, AR Performance. All of those have been great. My brother has tried a few 'commercial' uppers/barrels with less luck. Right now I have a 16" Wilson barreled upper and a 12.5" ARP barreled upper. The groups I've been getting with both of them with 110gr BTHP and the 105gr MKZ are stunning. I have several hundred rounds of the 110gr VMAX factory ammo squirreled away for a 'what if'. 6.8SPC hits so damn hard and does so well on animals, I can only imagine what it would do on the bipedal animals running around certain parts of the world. Also I have been using bolts from LWRCI which are fully supported bolt faces that I feel are stronger. Whether thats true or not I don't know, But I DO know I was trying to send some Cutting Edge 82gr Raptors over 3000fps from my 16" barrel and if there was ever a time I was getting close to blowing a gun up in my face, that was it. I couldn't fit anymore AA2200 into the case and was compressing the powder (ball powder btw) so much that it was bulging the case shoulder OUT. Hammering the forward assist to get them to chamber wasn't smart, shooting 5 of them and wondering why it was kicking like a 30-30 should have been a clue. I got them to 3000fps alright. Sometimes I wonder what the PSI was. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Mk16 in 6.8 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_7570_jpeg-3225765.JPG View Quote Whoa! Never knew. Any story behind it? |
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I would love to have that too
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_7607_jpeg-3226702.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By thatARMSguy: Well, there's another clone to add to the list... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cebiNg: Whoa! Never knew. Any story behind it? |
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I’m glad there are some 6.8 fans here. I jumped on the 6.8 bandwagon in 2013 with a Wilson 11.3”, followed by an ARP 12.5” and 16” a few years later. Picked up a little velocity with the 16” but the Wilson out-shoots it and the 12.5” hands down.
There was no commercial load data for the Spec II and the guys over on 6.8 forums were a big help in developing loads. Experimented some with Hornady 110 BTHP and FMJs but always fell back to the 120SST and 115s. Tried every powder I had in the closet – H322, AA2230, AA2520, H4895, H4198 and finally AA2200 which gave me the best velocities. H322 was a close second with the Nosler 100 Accubond but those bullets were so danged expensive I didn’t shoot many of them. All in all I shot over 400 rounds during load development and testing. Most of it was at 100 yards and then once I settled on a good load, shot it at 200 and 300 to see how it printed. 120s and 115s shoot about the same, just over 1 MOA at 100 and 200. The 6.8 is a capable deer and hog round and I’m sure it excels on 2-legged varmints. Let the 6.5G fans sneer, we all know the truth. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Clone lists are always N+1 SMGLee got back to me and said it was a one off built for WARCOM View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By thatARMSguy: Well, there's another clone to add to the list... Originally Posted By cebiNg: Whoa! Never knew. Any story behind it? Interesting. Never thought about the 6.8 in the SCAR but it makes sense. I wonder how it shot in that platform. |
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Originally Posted By mvintx: I’m glad there are some 6.8 fans here. I jumped on the 6.8 bandwagon in 2013 with a Wilson 11.3”, followed by an ARP 12.5” and 16” a few years later. Picked up a little velocity with the 16” but the Wilson out-shoots it and the 12.5” hands down. There was no commercial load data for the Spec II and the guys over on 6.8 forums were a big help in developing loads. Experimented some with Hornady 110 BTHP and FMJs but always fell back to the 120SST and 115s. Tried every powder I had in the closet – H322, AA2230, AA2520, H4895, H4198 and finally AA2200 which gave me the best velocities. H322 was a close second with the Nosler 100 Accubond but those bullets were so danged expensive I didn’t shoot many of them. All in all I shot over 400 rounds during load development and testing. Most of it was at 100 yards and then once I settled on a good load, shot it at 200 and 300 to see how it printed. 120s and 115s shoot about the same, just over 1 MOA at 100 and 200. The 6.8 is a capable deer and hog round and I’m sure it excels on 2-legged varmints. Let the 6.5G fans sneer, we all know the truth. View Quote 68forums is an excellent place for all things load development in the 6.8. It’s actually where I got the bug to build one. Speaking of which, I’m sitting staring at a 16” barrel and a pile of parts around it trying to decide which direction to go in a platform. Decisions…. |
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Originally Posted By 50cal: I have a 10x SS on an 82a1 and a 16x SS on an M95. Very good optic for the money. Got both of mine back when the standard price for the mil dot reticle model was $300. Both are the Tasco branded ones. Found a second 16x for a .308 AR not long ago. Found it used at a yard sale for $20 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 50cal: Originally Posted By heavy260: SWFA SS HD 10X for seeing bad guys. I regret not buying one of those scopes at the end when they were blowing everything out the door. I have a 10x SS on an 82a1 and a 16x SS on an M95. Very good optic for the money. Got both of mine back when the standard price for the mil dot reticle model was $300. Both are the Tasco branded ones. Found a second 16x for a .308 AR not long ago. Found it used at a yard sale for $20 @heavy260 Have you compared the SS HD to the SS? I’m thinking the SWFA 3-15x42 SS would be a good compromise/improvement if not trying to directly clone the prototype. |
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Originally Posted By cebiNg: @heavy260 Have you compared the SS HD to the SS? I’m thinking the SWFA 3-15x42 SS would be a good compromise/improvement if not trying to directly clone the prototype. View Quote Not in the 10x. I’m have 4 of the 3-9 HD and 3 of the 6x and the glass and turrets in the 3-9 are better. HDs are LOW made and the plain Jane are JOL I think. |
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Originally Posted By heavy260: Different companies in Japan. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By heavy260: Originally Posted By cebiNg: LOW vs JOL is manufacture location? Different companies in Japan. One company better than the other or just different end goals of the scope model lines by SWFA? |
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Originally Posted By cebiNg: One company better than the other or just different end goals of the scope model lines by SWFA? View Quote LOW is what is preferred. Bushnell Tactical scopes, Razor, Nightforce, March, Delta, Trijicon, Eotech etc. all made by LOW. Some assemble them at their facilities but others just OEM through LOW. SWFA scopes are very well built. They’ll take a beating. For $300 the SS scopes are very hard to beat. |
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@50cal
How many of the 12.5” Barretts hit the market if at all? I don’t think I’ve seen one for sale but plenty of 16” versions. I’d like to get my hands on a cold hammer forged chrome lined 12.5” barrel. |
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