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9/10/2005 6:30:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CounterStrike][Edited] [#1]
Just wanted to share my 180b.  I recieved it in a trade a few days ago and started surfing here to see what could be done.  The predator rail looks great but I don't want to drop that kind of money on a rail system and still have to modify it.  I had parts laying around so I decided to modify a standard AR free float tube to fit the 180.  The tube just barely clears the gas system but the end result looks pretty cool.  I had to build a new nut to fit the 180 and its only on there with a very light press fit until I do somemore work, but already it seem stable and I did some test firing just to check function.  Obviously everything will need to be re-anodized when I'm done but I wanted to share some pics.

Next I will thread the barrel but here in NY I will be stuck with an aftermarket muzzle break.  Oh well, it already looks better:


9/11/2005 6:59:42 PM EDT
[#2]
http://images.snapfish.com/34496%3A%3B923232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E2355%3D%3B6%3A%3D%3A28%3DXROQDF%3E2323%3A%3A2%3C267%3B5ot1lsi

and no its not me but it is my gun and my buddys girlfriend
9/12/2005 9:17:39 PM EDT
[#3]

Originally Posted By RedWolff:
images.snapfish.com/34496%3A%3B923232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E2355%3D%3B6%3A%3D%3A28%3DXROQDF%3E2323%3A%3A2%3C267%3B5ot1lsi

and no its not me but it is my gun and my buddys girlfriend



Outstanding trigger discipline.  
9/13/2005 8:42:24 AM EDT
[#4]
Let's not get into the trigger issue again, christ we see that every time someone posts a pic of a broad holding a gun.  It's just a picture, enjoy it for what it's worth, besides I'm sure everyone that saw the pic said the same thing as you, we just didn't have to type it, like your educating us or something.  I think the guy was just trying to show off his smoke pole for the rest of us anyways.
9/13/2005 8:01:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ISED8U][Edited] [#5]

Originally Posted By crazycanuk:
Let's not get into the trigger issue again, Christ we see that every time someone posts a pic of a broad holding a gun.  It's just a picture, enjoy it for what it's worth, besides I'm sure everyone that saw the pic said the same thing as you, we just didn't have to type it, like your educating us or something.  I think the guy was just trying to show off his smoke pole for the rest of us anyways.



Relax a little man,  I was only joking around.  I wasn't liooking to bust balls or lecture anybody.  Sheeesh  
3/17/2005 3:55:20 PM EDT
[#6]
Woah!
3/17/2005 11:48:08 PM EDT
[#7]
hepcat, its great that you found a picture of yourself, but your not holding the rifle.
3/18/2005 8:56:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hepcat85][Edited] [#8]

Originally Posted By rob556:
hepcat, its great that you found a picture of yourself, but your not holding the rifle.







"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here." ~Jayne
3/19/2005 5:01:47 AM EDT
[#9]
Question,  how often are you guys replacing the extractor o-ring on your Ar-180's and Ar-15's ? They  seem to get a little flat after 3k rounds or so.  
3/19/2005 6:11:04 AM EDT
[#10]
After about 4k rounds, mine seems ok.
3/20/2005 11:32:37 PM EDT
[#11]
So..........what's the word on the stock adapters?
"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here." ~Jayne
3/21/2005 12:47:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Urban_Ops][Edited] [#12]
UMM , you mean this one?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/josh54880/Ar-180B%20Stock%20Adapter/SA12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/josh54880/Ar-180B%20Stock%20Adapter/SA13.jpg
I am just waiting for the stainless bolt to go with the adapter.  they should be in monday.href=[email protected]
3/21/2005 7:04:18 AM EDT
[#13]
How much for one?
3/21/2005 1:34:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hepcat85][Edited] [#14]

Originally Posted By Jacketch:
How much for one?



What he said.

BTW - Looks good!

What's it constructed of?
"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here." ~Jayne
3/21/2005 1:51:08 PM EDT
[#15]
The adapter is machined from 6061-T651 Aluminum.  Anodized black. comes with a stainless replacement bolt. $35 at the StormWerkz website. This is the type 1 for Ace brand fixed and folding stocks. the upcoming type 2 will be made for Ar-15 stocks that require a threaded socket. Feel free to email me.
[email protected]
3/21/2005 3:56:32 PM EDT
[#16]

Originally Posted By Urban_Ops:
The adapter is machined from 6061-T651 Aluminum.  Anodized black. comes with a stainless replacement bolt. $35 at the StormWerkz website. This is the type 1 for Ace brand fixed and folding stocks. the upcoming type 2 will be made for Ar-15 stocks that require a threaded socket. Feel free to email me.
[email protected]



Thanks for the info.

Will the ACE adapter work for Entry and Standard length stocks?

How long till the Type 2?

Man we're a demanding bunch!!!

"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here." ~Jayne
3/21/2005 10:42:55 PM EDT
[#17]
OK, Ace uses 2 forms of attachments. there is the type that uses (2) 10-32 bolts and the other is the kind that attaches like an ar-15 with a 1 1/16-16 threaded tube. the type 1 adapter is for the kind that uses the 10-32 bolts. the original skeleton fixed and folding types.  The type 2 will not be out til around the end of April as I am going out of town(Assam,India) from the 4th to the 18th of April.
[email protected]
3/21/2005 11:18:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hepcat85][Edited] [#18]

Originally Posted By Urban_Ops:
OK, Ace uses 2 forms of attachments. there is the type that uses (2) 10-32 bolts and the other is the kind that attaches like an ar-15 with a 1 1/16-16 threaded tube. the type 1 adapter is for the kind that uses the 10-32 bolts. the original skeleton fixed and folding types.  The type 2 will not be out til around the end of April as I am going out of town(Assam,India) from the 4th to the 18th of April.
[email protected]



Assam, India? That's a looooooong way for take out!

Your type 1 will then be able to mount any of the stocks that ACE makes for the 2 bolt adapter. To be clear, we're talking about:


AKFX 9.5" Long (L)..........$64.95  
AKFX 8.5" Standard (S)..........$64.95  
AKFX 7.6" Super Short (SS)..........$64.95  

Are there any other non-AR ACE stocks that would fit?

Sorry to be obtuse....
"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here." ~Jayne
3/22/2005 12:01:14 AM EDT
[#19]
Those are the ones! thanks for helping me clear that up  I don't know of any other brand stocks with the same bolt pattern. was there a stock you had in mind?
3/22/2005 11:55:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: hepcat85][Edited] [#20]

Originally Posted By Urban_Ops:
Those are the ones! thanks for helping me clear that up  I don't know of any other brand stocks with the same bolt pattern. was there a stock you had in mind?



Glad to help!

Hmmmmmmmm, Looks good. I think I like the ACE stocks...rather than a the AR entry stock I was planning.

Hey, would you happen to have any "wide angle" pictures of an 180B with your adapter and an ACE stock? I noticed you have a pair of close-ups.

How about a shot of the ACE shorty stock?

Thanks for the other pics!

Hep


EDITED TO ADD:Is there a provision for a sling loop on the adapter? Or is there an ACE product, like a spacer?
"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here." ~Jayne
3/22/2005 2:49:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Urban_Ops][Edited] [#21]
I wish I was a better photographer but here are a couple more shots.
I didnt add a swivel stud as I didnt even think about it. I usually attach my slings with 550 para cord to the front of the stock tube, it doesnt get any quieter havent[email protected]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/josh54880/Ar-180B%20Stock%20Adapter/S3500011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/josh54880/Ar-180B%20Stock%20Adapter/21.jpg
3/22/2005 5:28:13 PM EDT
[#22]
What is the length dimension on the stock adaptor.
3/22/2005 6:16:32 PM EDT
[#23]
Ordered one for me.  Thanks Josh (I am the guy in Kenai)..:).

Now I gotta order a stock....can you get a deal on them?  With the baby on the way wife is really watching my spending.  She does not want to cut into the pink baby clothing budget (first girl on the way next month).
3/22/2005 7:57:53 PM EDT
[#24]

Originally Posted By yekimak:
Ordered one for me.  Thanks Josh (I am the guy in Kenai)..:).

Now I gotta order a stock....can you get a deal on them?  With the baby on the way wife is really watching my spending.  She does not want to cut into the pink baby clothing budget (first girl on the way next month).




Ditto. PayPal sent for an adapter. I'm thinking of adding the mid or the shorty ACE.



Hey Yekimak, well wishes on the impending wee one.

Better lay low if the misses finds out!  lol.

"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here." ~Jayne
3/22/2005 11:02:50 PM EDT
[#25]
Also sent of payment for the adpater. It will look so good with the RIS forend.

I will be the first in Canada!
11/20/2005 12:02:37 PM EDT
[#26]
Sure!

You need to dremel off the tips of the spring guides.....basically, the "cones" come off.

The included instructions are pretty vague but with the manual to refer to, no problems.

The rest is pretty straight forward; taking off the handguards, etc.



Got it. Thanks
11/20/2005 5:56:55 PM EDT
[#27]

Originally Posted By Urban_Ops:
It should take the same ambi safety as an ar-15.



Armilite said the frame is wider on the AR180 than the AR15.
11/20/2005 7:34:45 PM EDT
[#28]
Yep, you are right, I just tried an ambi from an ar-15 and it doesn't fit.
11/21/2005 3:35:12 PM EDT
[#29]

Originally Posted By Urban_Ops:
Yep, you are right, I just tried an ambi from an ar-15 and it doesn't fit.



Do you think your company would be interested in making them?
11/25/2005 12:58:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Urban_Ops][Edited] [#30]
I don't think I will be working on ambi safeties. I have quite a few irons in the fire at the moment for the 180's which I won't reveal at this time . I have managed to drop the price on the www.stormwerkz.com though by streamlining my processes.  

[email protected]
11/25/2005 11:24:07 PM EDT
[#31]

Originally Posted By Urban_Ops:
I don't think I will be working on ambi safeties. I have quite a few irons in the fire at the moment for the 180's which I won't reveal at this time . I have managed to drop the price on the www.stormwerkz.com though by streamlining my processes.  

[email protected]



<cough><cough>DUSTCOVERS!<cough><weeeez><cough>

"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here." ~Jayne
12/6/2005 10:59:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hepcat85][Edited] [#32]
Sorry for the bad pic....but I just dropped the Eo and Aimpoint mag on and took a few quick pics:



The riser on the MI forward makes for perfect alignment....
"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here." ~Jayne
12/7/2005 10:53:28 AM EDT
[#33]
Now that is just a damn sweet setup! How does the magnifier work with the EO? is there much fish eye effect at all? Give us a range report. And start listing the mods .
12/7/2005 12:01:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: hepcat85][Edited] [#34]
The Eo reticle is dead center and great. I can't wait to get it out to the range!

The YHM riser brings it to the PERFECT spot! Great product.

Here's the list:

*ACE stock
*ACE cheek riser
Some stock adapter of unknown origin - I think a hobo at a gunshow traded to me for some MadDog.
*StormWerkz Stock Adapter
*StormWerkz Receiver rail
StormWerkz products can be found >>>H E R E<<<
*Aimpoint 3X magnifier ~ mounted on:
*Samson Aimpoint Mag Quick flip-mount
*EoTech 512 Rev E ~ mounted on:
*Yankee Hill riser (YHM-227A)
*Midwest Industries AR180B Rail Foreward
*Mix of Falcon Rail covers and a few Bushy. Note, the 12 o'clock rail has Falcon low-pro ladder rail cover. I might switch to Magpul XTs...if I can find some cheap
*KAC Vert, which is optional. I have an ARMs 23 that feels pretty good.
Many of the above parts, other than the AR180B Specific ones, where just waiting for a home. I also have a Harris BiPod and a Surefire, but then it would have been uber UBER Tactcial!

I'm thinking of adding a Dieter CQT front sling loop so I can para cord a sling on. I'm thinking of going with the THIS
Anyone have any experience with this sling?


"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here." ~Jayne
12/7/2005 5:02:14 PM EDT
[#35]
I haven't seen any 180b's with night vision scopes. Anyone?
12/20/2005 11:57:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AndrewB][Edited] [#36]
Hey guys, it's been a while. :)

Anyone ever come up with any more ideas on covering the gap behind the bolt handle? (and still be able to charge the weapon, of course.)

I had an idea to use a forward mounted charging handle, to be used with a modified handguard, that would use a rod going back through the trunnion by the guide rods to push the carrier back and charge the weapon. The existing charging handle would be removed and the slot for it in the side of the receiver then being closed by welding on a small peice of sheet steel.

12/21/2005 12:19:06 AM EDT
[#37]

Originally Posted By Urban_Ops:
I haven't seen any 180b's with night vision scopes. Anyone?



As requested. ATN 6800C GenII+. Old picture, scope has since been sold to a buddy. He uses it on his Swiss Arms PE90 (SIG 550). Slaughters coyotes like a mad man.
12/21/2005 2:11:02 PM EDT
[#38]

Originally Posted By hepcat85:
Posted for Crazycanuk:

tinypic.com/18irrt

tinypic.com/18irt2

Wow!


I like the paint job!
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12/30/2005 4:09:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Phessor][Edited] [#39]
Here is a picture of my new AR-180B
I didn't realize just how short 16" was, oh well I will just have to thread the barrel and add a flash hider.
I also did the 15 minute trigger job, that seemed to help a lot.
I ordered the ACE side folding stock kit for it.
Thank you, Phessor



"In a man to man fight the winner is the one who puts an extra round in his magazine"
-Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
12/30/2005 7:44:19 PM EDT
[#40]

Originally Posted By Phessor:
Here is a picture of my new AR-180B
I didn't realize just how short 16" was, oh well I will just have to thread the barrel and add a flash hider.
I am also ordering the ACE side folding stock for it.
Thank you, Phessor

www.hunt101.com/img/359696-big.jpg



AR-180S

S for Stubby.

I say that with great respect!

"You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here." ~Jayne
12/30/2005 8:05:11 PM EDT
[#41]

Originally Posted By hepcat85:

AR-180S

S for Stubby.

I say that with great respect!




Hey watch it, I resemble that!
Phessor


"In a man to man fight the winner is the one who puts an extra round in his magazine"
-Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
1/1/2006 2:58:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Onslaught][Edited] [#42]
So no reliability issues with the 16" barrel?  Who can do the work properly?

You guys just disrupted my whole collection.  I thought I was happy... didn't need to do any acquiring right now...  And now this!

But let me ask you this.  I have a Ruger Mini-14 stainless with a Choate folder (yes, I know).  It's sole purpose is to be cabled up tight under the back seat of my pickup truck.  I've had to do all sorts of adjusting, re-learning and purchasing new mags, etc.  If I had an AR180B in place of the Mini, I could just use my AR mags.  But with the "lack of dust cover and no chrome lining", do you think the AR180B would be a good truck gun to replace the mini, or is the stainless rifle better?

One contribution I'd like to offer for fellow lefties -

I see that ambi safeties don't work.  BUT Olympic Arms makes a REVERSIBLE safety that fits on either side as it's got the grooves machined on both sides.  As a bonus, they don't cost much more than a standard safety, and not nearly as much as an Ambi!

I don't know for sure that it would fit, but I DO know for a fact that one fits the AR10 (which I was also told can't have Ambi safeties because it's wider too).

My Eagle Arms AR10 with reversible safety (notice the safety on the right side, and no allen screw to hold it to anything)
1/2/2006 11:37:52 AM EDT
[#43]
One reason I want the 180B is because I can't afford this. I wish I could mold the buttstock and forearm to look like this SIG. If I won the lottery, I would manufacture a SIG clone.

1/3/2006 11:36:57 AM EDT
[#44]

Originally Posted By hkusp:
One reason I want the 180B is because I can't afford this. I wish I could mold the buttstock and forearm to look like this SIG. If I won the lottery, I would manufacture a SIG clone.


You could always move to Canada, they are only ~$3000 CAD up here. Amazing rifles.
1/3/2006 6:43:36 PM EDT
[#45]

Originally Posted By Onslaught:
So no reliability issues with the 16" barrel?  Who can do the work properly?



None what so ever on the reliability issue.
Kurt's Kustom Firearms, LLC
Phessor


"In a man to man fight the winner is the one who puts an extra round in his magazine"
-Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
1/4/2006 1:24:58 PM EDT
[#46]
After taking my 180b apart again, and looking at the safety, I started thinking, why didn't armilite just make the safety reversible,  all they would have had to do was cut a notch on the right side to hold the spring, than us lefties are takin care of.
1/4/2006 1:55:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Onslaught][Edited] [#47]

Originally Posted By ElmoH:
After taking my 180b apart again, and looking at the safety, I started thinking, why didn't armilite just make the safety reversible,  all they would have had to do was cut a notch on the right side to hold the spring, than us lefties are takin care of.


Olympic Arms
800) 228 - 3471
Part # AR82R
Reversible safety selector.
Cost: $13

Basically an AR15 safety with the detent holes drilled in both sides.

I'll take mine out of the AR10 and post a pic this weekend.
1/6/2006 8:11:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Phessor][Edited] [#48]
Well I got my new ACE LTD side folding stock today and I just had to install it. While I was at it I set an A1 flash hider on my barrel and put a CQB sling on it to see what it would look like all put together. I like it!
Phessor







"In a man to man fight the winner is the one who puts an extra round in his magazine"
-Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
1/9/2006 12:57:08 PM EDT
[#49]

Originally Posted By hkusp:
One reason I want the 180B is because I can't afford this. I wish I could mold the buttstock and forearm to look like this SIG. If I won the lottery, I would manufacture a SIG clone.

www.wowway.com/~dk8476/SIG550.JPG



If you find a good supply of Sig stocks, I will make adapters.

Josh
StormWerkz
1/9/2006 4:58:31 PM EDT
[#50]

Originally Posted By Urban_Ops:

If you find a good supply of Sig stocks, I will make adapters.

Josh
StormWerkz



I will keep an eye out for surplus. Probably would cost too much to import from SIG in Switzerland. The cost to make a mold and do pressure injection would be costly, I assume. If I could do photoshop, I would graft the SIG stock to the AR180B.  Thanks Josh !

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