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If you vote in the poll and report minor or major problems, then PLEASE post below and let everyone know why you voted the way you did. If you don't, then you're doing a disservice to the members who are basing their purchasing decisions on this post. The previous post has been archived; PLEASE DO NOT VOTE IF YOU'VE ALREADY VOTED IN THE PREVIOUS POLL. I will calculate the correct percentages which go into the main ammo review poll. Results from the previous poll: 785 votes 691 did not have any problems 57 people had minor problems 37 people had major problems and won't use it again. Please add your personal experience with Remington and UMC branded ammunition to this thread. When you do, please give information about: 1) Ammunition used 2) Firearm used in 3) Approximate number of rounds fired. From RussB's post out of a 16" barrel: Velocity (55gr): 2857fps, StdDev=59fps I am trying to solicit only information about your PERSONAL experience with this ammunition. If you haven't used it, then please don't clutter up the thread. Information about proper functioning (or lack thereof) is obviously the most important, but factors such as the accuracy or other peculiarities you've noticed are informative also. If you have had problems with this ammo which were severe enough to cause you to stop using this ammo, then please describe them. And one more minor request: keep your reviews objective. |
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Summary of previous posts: Ghost-Shooter Yay! I'm the first to hit this poll...is that a good thing? Ok, on to the subject here. I've shot several boxes of Remington UMC, and while every round went bang and out of my gun as it should, I was unimpressed with it. The accuracy wasn't great, the ammo wasn't as hot as Federal XM193 or Winchester Q3131a, and the price wasn't exactly conducive to buying in bulk. Now if it was offered for less than $140/k, I would snap a bunch of it up for plinking purposes. The brass is good for reloading, from what I've heard. Ghost JJREA ZHUKOV, I've only shot about 70 rounds of it. 3 boxes of 55 grain fmj and half a box of the 45 hp's. I have a 20" colt 1/7. They all went bang. At 50 yards I got a 1-1/2" group of the 45 hp's. I did not test the 55 for accuracy in a real controlled setting. I did fire it once prone at 25, 50, and 75 yards and I didn't think it was all that bad but that was before I measured and all that and I didn't save the targets. The group I got with the 45's is really not all that bad considering the best group I've gotten so far with my set up is just under an 1" at 50 with 75 hornady's. I did not test any umc at 100. sorry. Hope this helps. Charging_Handle I have used probably 150-200 rounds of this stuff over the years. I can say the UMC made in the early-mid 90's was noticably hotter but I haven't had any problems to speak of with any of it. For commercial ammo, it's ok. -CH ttusus I have shot around 200 rounds in a Colt 16" HBAR 1:9. I shot out in the mid 1's at 100 Yds Sorry can't give you more on it that this. dissipator556 UMC- el cheapo from Wally World- you get what you pay for here- underloaded, moderately accurate, budget blasting ammo. IMPORTANT: Had one primer burst, and I can say that these primers are much too soft for my likes. Bursting primer isn't fun either. Caveat Emptor... mike103 My son uses it all the time in his Ruger Mini-14. It shoots to the same point of impact as the Remington 55 grain soft point's that he uses for hunting. Good for practice. MIKE RobWis I've shot a few hundred rounds of this stuff in my Oly carbine, no problems reliability wise (no FTF, FTE, etc). Like mentioned not as hot as other loads I've used (i.e. Winchester white box)...but I do pick it up at Wally World sometimes. davidp14 i have shot probably about 300rds or so of the 55gr stuff. never any functional problems. but its wasnt amazingly accurate either. good for plinking id say comparable to the wally world wincherster white box. ar15slinger used about 500 rounds of it between rock river m4 entry 16" and 20 " bushmaster xm15e2s...not quite as powerful as 3131a...no problems though...for range use i would buy again... PaDanby Worked fine, didn't see anything that would convince me that the Wally-World White Box wasn't the better deal all around. 20" H-Bar Sporter in marginally controlled conditions out in the desert. Oh yeah, some came from Big-5 more expensive than the same stuff from Wally-World, still more expensive than the white box. 80 rounds 55 grn FMJ JoeInCT Approx 400 rds UMC 55gr FMJ thru a DPMS Classic A2 HBAR 1x9. Son's Oly PCR-4 also liked it. No issues, good commercial .223 load. Only local WalMart carries it, same price as FAE and same consistency in quality in my experience. Wish it were more readily available, good alternative product, nothing like consumer choices to keep prices in line and quality up. kicker9898 Never had any reliability problems with it, but out of either of my rifles it is the least accurate load (other than woof). Good plinking load though, long as you aren't looking for accuracy. Special-K I have an Oly Arms FAR-15 16" light weight. I have fired approx. 500 rounds of UMC 55gr Metal Case through it. I have had no problems with it to speak of. Groups range 1" to 1.5" if I do my part, open sites at a measured 100 yards. At that range it goes straight through 5/8 inch hardened aluminium plate, and craters 1/2 inch "coarse" steel plate with blisters on the other side. I like it, but haven't really compared it much to other brands. quarry_plinker Colt HBAR 6700 1/9. 500 rounds. 1 1/2 in groups average.Never 1 in. groups. I know this barrel is capable of 1 in groups with Win varmint ammo. Im saving the brass though as Ive read its good for reloading. No problems with it at all. Hawkeye I shoot Remington UMC every month in our FDCC matches. Approximately 50-100 rounds a month. Every month for the last 19 + months. I have not had one single malfunction from the ammo. I find it it be very accurate from all of my AR's, and I really like it. jedi_rifleman really don't have an exact number of rounds fired of this particular ammo, so I will just say that it is over 10,000 rounds.The firearm used was a Colt AR15 and a Bushmaster AR15.Ammo was UMC yellow box .223 55gr. full metal jacket. It is a good deal from time to time for plinking and testing various components of the AR after modification.It is what it is. Average priced, average powered, average accuracy,average reliability. I do not recommend any ammo for END OF THE WORLD /fighting of ghost,ghouls,goblins,etc., which does not have crimped in primers.I have had several primers come completly out of this ammo as well as every other ammo that does not have crimped in primers, and even had a few crimped primers come out as well(although rare). These primers will either fall into the bolt lockinglug raceway and cause a FFD/fail to go into battery. Or they will fall into the lower reciever and cause you to to have a blocked trigger. You will pull the trigger and nothing will happen. Then you will raise the rifle skyward, look at the safety,scratch your head, then lower the rifle and it works fine for a few rounds then the trigger stops working again.This process will repeat until you realize that you have a primer bouncing around in your lower that gets under your trigger and blocks it's movement and then slides out of the way when you move the rifle around.It is mild mannered and clean burning although so is American Eagle 55gr. FMJ which is more accurate. (more fun) hope this helps. Bang It all went bang in my Bushy 20" H-Bar but most places around here sell it for around $3.99 a box and I can get Q3131A for about $3.49 a box at Northwest Armory. robertmegar Only ammunition that won't stabilize in my OA-93. MTNmyMag I have fired about 2000 rounds of REM UMC through my AR (RRA Upper, RRA Bolt, Bushy Lower 16" mide length, naked muzzle) I have had hot rounds, and light rounds one box that 5 primers were seated backwards in and one box that was somehow loaded with soft point ammo instead of FMJ, although I did buy that ammo in conjuction with several other boxes (different brands and calibers) at a small gunshop and someone there may have switched the boxes (the sp fmj mix up) anyways all in all good enough for plinking range work ammo. markm I haven't actually tried it but.... just kidding. It's great practice ammo for reloaders because its NOT HOT! Therefore the brass doesn't stretch as much. People complain about it not being hot, but DUH! If you always shoot the hottest ammo you can find you'll accelerate the wear on your weapon, NUMB NUTS! Had a few blown primers over the years, but I'll still use it! lagadelphia I've used 80 rounds so far (Hey I just got my rifle!) All went bang and all cycled fine. I was shooting at an indoor range so I can't comment on accuracy other than it hit pretty much where I was aiming :) rg1 No failures to feed or fire in 3 Colt's and 1 RRA Ar-15. Have fired over 1000 rounds and I'm completely satisfied with this inexpensive ammo. RP cases are good reloading brass too. The heads of the brass don't bend from the extractor pulling it from the chamber like some manufactureres cases do. Typical prices you can find on 1000 rd cases tend to be about $180 and I'll pay a few extra dollars to get Rem UMC. Accuracy in my AR's tend to be 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 " at 100 yds, sometimes a little smaller if I do my part. mbuc I've only put 200-300 rounds of UMC 5.56 through my Bushmaster 16", but it functioned perfectly and was reasonably accurate. Good plinking ammo at a decent price. Casual im pushing about 500 rnds of the UMC in my bushy ar15-e2s 16" no problems whatsoever, not the best out there, but i'd take it over the new polymer wolf. chicken_little Bought 240 rnds of it. First box I opened had a deformed bullet that didn't look like it was safe to use in my AR. I have a bushy 20". Fired only 19 rnds of them so far. Except for that one bullet, they were all good. Got 200 of them on sale at rural king for $3.29, the other 40 at meijers for almost $4.00. [edit] I sent the bad catridge back to Remington and they told me it was a very rare thing that happens. They also gave me $15 to compensate for shipping and to buy another box of their ammo. Shipping was only $7.50, and the box of ammo was only $3.29, so they gave me $4 extra. I applaud them for this and thought I'd spread the news of how great of service they have. BrushHog I bought 1500 rounds of remanufactured Remington 55gr FMJ and fired 300 rounds without a single problem. I was very impressed with the results given that they are remanufactured. They are also average for accuracy...1" to 2" groups at 100m. Good plinking ammo for the most part. brewsky101 I bought about 100 rounds of 55gr SP a while back. I had a couple of FTFs and the bullets that caused the problems were set-back in the case. I won't spend my money on them anymore. weptek911 I shot a bunch of it the other day, I was shooting with a scope & iron sights and my view kept getting obstructed by smoke from what I thought was a black powder shooter next to me. IT WAS ME. Never really seen that happen before , not every round but quite a few. after about 200 rounds my AR started jamming. Which also has never happened to me. Also had a primer blow out the back. I always thought I'd use it for SHTF ammo. Not any more. practice ammo only. I hope I just ran into a bad batch. I cleaned my rifle when I got home it was like I had been shooting blackpowder. rhino_ My most recent experience with UMC 55gr FMJ .223 was last summer in a 3-day rifle class. I fired a few hundred rounds through a Bushmaster superlight with no problems. I didn't shoot any groups, but point of impact with the UMC was close enough to the South African M1A3 I was also shooting that I couldn't tell any difference. I could hit an 8-inch plate at 100-125 yards without trouble with either. Reliability was 100% with no cleaning in three days (although I added some lube on day three because I felt like it, but it wasn't necessary). cruze5 1) 55gr FMJ 2) Bushmaster XM15 E2S 20" 3) 50 rounds no problems phantommech i have shot over 2,000 rounds of UMC out of two different rifles, a DPMS 16" and a Bushmaster 24" V Match. I have been very impressed with this ammo. For your average range shooting it is economical and very accurate. For any competition shooting I jump up to the Federal Gold Cup with the heavier round. arowneragain Rifle: Armalite lower, LMT 14.5" upper. No problems whatsoever after 200 rounds. The only problem is that the local wal-marts don't carry more than 3 or 4 boxes at a time. krazy_karl Over 60 rounds through a BM 20" A3. 1.5" to 2" groups at 100 yards and 5" groups at 300 yards all rested with iron sights. I went this route to get good commercial brass that I could easily reload without needing to remove a primer crimp or perform a great deal of case trimming. Case necks are annealed and ammo costs less than $4.00/ 20 rounds at Bi-Mart. Went to Wally World first but could only get 4 boxes/ visit. inzane123 I have never had problems shooting it but my friend who i took shooting this weekend had constant problems. He has a 11 1/2 bushy and this the bullets kept getting knocked back into the cases. I ended up having to toss some wolf his way to keep him shooting. PALADIN-hgwt I've fired about 400 rounds thru various AR's, NO MALFS at all. Loaded a little light, and some of the chrony data (15 feet from muzzle) had a huge ES because of one single reading being much higher than the other 9 shots. Rem 55 (L223R3) chrony data, 15 feet from muzzle, 85 to 90 degrees. Fired in chrome lined 20 inch 1/7 Colt HBAR: 3043, 3029, 3009, 3068, 3040, 3083, 3216, 3004, 2934, 3045. ES 282 ave. vel. 3047 fps Fired in 16 inch 1/10 Ruger Mini-14: 3004, 2854, 2900, 2934, 2962, 2887, 2980, 2894, 2867, 2915. ES 150 ave. vel. 2920 fps For comparison, Q3131A (lot VE21) averaged 3218 fps with an ES of 52 in the Colt, and 3059 fps with an ES of 91 in the Ruger. HTH. kjdoski I've shot up about 400 rounds of this stuff in the last 6 weeks, it was the only "non premium" .223 available in any of the large retailers around here. I haven't had a chance to chrony it, but recoil seems slightly lighter than XM193. I've had 0 reliablity issues, and accuracy is as good as I could ask - I can easily ring the steel plates at 250 and 300 yards if I do my part. ops144 good stuff 200+ rounds no problems BuckeyeRifleman I had one round where there was no hole drilled for the primer. As a result, the primer blew and just jammed the case into the chamber. It took alot of force to extract it and later found out that I broke the pin that holds the extractor in place. Although the rifle proceeded to funtion for 200+ rounds after this without knowing that I had broken anything. It wasnt till I cleaned the rifle that I noticed it. It was a homebuild AR on a Stag lower with a MOS M4 upper from bravo company. Seabee26 Just got a my first AR earlier this year. A RRA Entry Tactical. Bought the cheapest plinking ammo I could find and it turned out this stuff. Since then I have used nothing else but the UMC and WWB I find at Wally World. Determining factors in choosing this stuff is: 1. No malfunctions 2. Cost Both crieteria were met with Remington UMC. easy610 Shot UMC .223 and other calibers from UMC....never had an issue. Seems like decent run-of-the-mill training ammo. I wouldn't be concerned using it for defensive work....although I prefer a heavier round in .223 for HD or SHTF. JJREA I've never had a proble with it, except that none of the AR's I've had are accurate with it. Usually somewhere in the worst grouping. But, it's clean and goes bang every time. The brass probably isn't bad either?? Not sure though. Xenogy I shot 120 rounds of the Green/White box .223 Remington UMC today. Not the best accuracy, but no malfunctions and it seemed to be clean stuff. blitzo I picked up a 200rd box of 45gr and a couple 40rd boxes of 45gr. I fired them through a 16" Bushmaster. I had nothing but jamming problems. A couple of them had dents in the case. I got 2 mags of 30 to fire with no problems. I guess I might have gotten a bad batch. SteelonSteel I've used probably over a 1000 rounds of this in yellow boxes and in green boxes. Always goes bang, moderately clean. Only groups 2- 2.5 inches at 100, scope or irons. Never had a defective round. I generally use it now in my carbine at distances 5 to 50 yards. Plenty accurate for that CQB type training. There I'm looking for hits not groups and it fits that usage perfectly. demigod I've shot about a thousand rounds of it. Had one blown primer. It's a little dirty, but the brass is excellent for reloading. paul1911 200 rounds through my colt LE carbine. No problems. gunz4me I picked up 400 rounds of Remington UMC over the weekend, and shot 90 rounds out of a POF and ban era Bushmaster without any problems. I picked this ammo up to plink with, and it has served its purpose really well thus far. 223FMJBlack I have bought a few boxes of Reminton UMC and haven't had any problems with it in my Oly 16" AR. It's the cheapest stuff at Wal-Mart, and the brass looks to be of better quality than the WWB sold at Wal-Mart. Blue_Genes Zero problems after many many rounds in my RRA 20". Great plinking ammo! happycynic I shot about 150 rounds of this crap today. Had a round that had some major brass shavings in it. If I hadn't checked the bore it would have scratched the hell out of my barrel at the least if I shot another round without clearing it. imposter I have shot a couple thousand rounds of this stuff in various Bushmasters. Never had any problem. Mick610 I've fired 1150 rounds through my newest Colt "Tactical A3" since December 05 without any problems. My agency bought 100,000 rounds of the UMC 55 grain and we fired 800 rounds a piece through the first 40 guns (Colt T-A3s) without any malfunctions or problems. We used the 30 round Colt mags that came with the guns except for me. I used 20 round Colt mags. I used 8,000 rounds of South African before that. I noticed the velocity was less at an average of 2870 fps for the UMC but the accuracy was OK. Sighted for 50 yards I found the POI to be 3" high at 100 yards and about 2-3" low at 200 yards. All our guns are 16" Tactical A3s as is my Colt set up for 3gun... chewbacca I ran about 1500 rounds through Gunsite with it, no problems. It does seem dirty though. q3131 Several hundred rounds through my bushmaster A2. Works great. |
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| 150 rnds of 55 gr through a DPMS M4. 3 bullets pushed back into case. Biggest issue I have with it is inconsistent groupings. Seems like I always had 1-2rnds out of a 10 shot group that went stupid (to a degree). At today's WM prices for it I am not even considering it; rather have the current milsurp and Privi that's available for same price or cheaper. |
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Good results - no misfires, FTF or FTE in slow or rapid fire. About 1000 rounds Vector UZI SBR 9mm (sorry I know you asked about5.56) German 32 rnd surplus magazines Prib |
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I have some that I bought in April 2005 from OM, and am just now getting to the bottom of. It's never been great ammo, which is why I still have some left. I had a ruptured primer the other week - it looks like there's no flash hole, as the rest of the round is intact and you can hear the powder shaking inside: 
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| This ammo is easier to get than any other where I live. No problems so far. |
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All went bang, shot 400 rds so far out of 1200. Not too dirty. Not as accurate for me in 4 different guns as other ammo and I have run a few that way outshot it. (Fiocchi, PMC, AE, XM193 and Even Wolf in some weapons)  The LMT I have hates it.  Thought my optic took a dump, threw some Fiocchi in it and right back to back one ragged hole. |
| Shot a lot, haven't had problems until yesterday. Had 3 bullets set back way in the case, 1 actually spilled powder out. It appears they are not crimped. |
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I've shot about 200 rounds of the 55 gr MC. I buy the 20 round boxes in the green and white packaging. Never have bought one of the bright yellow 200 round boxes. I have never had a misfire or any other problem. However, I have switched over to Black Hills red box 55 gr FMJ recently. The price is the same, and I find that my groupings are better with Black Hills. |
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I have gone through quite a bit of this stuff but will not buy any more. I bought over 1000 rounds from the local Wally worlds which carry the green and white boxes. I think I am down to around 9 boxes or so. Bullets pushed into the casings and bullets moving around in the case. Non-uniform seating of bullets are my major concerns. I sent 17 rounds back to Remington out of I think 10 boxes where the bullets were pushed back into the case or could be pushed back into the case with just a little pressure on the tip. They sent me 2 boxes of ammo for my trouble and a letter saying they made sizing adjustment on their equipment or something to that sorts. Funny thing is that I had 3 rounds out of the 2 boxes they set as replacements that had the exact same issue.haveHope this helps |
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Have in all honesty, lost count after 1200+ rounds of the stuff. All have been shot through my RRA's Entry Tact. NO problems encountered. All looked good before going into mags, all went bang, all were accurate relative to the brand, that being 1.5-2.25" groups at 100yds. 1"MOA it is not, but for the price, I'm more than satisfied. Brass seems fine for reloading and within spec lengthwise. No deformed rims or other indications that the brass is too soft. I visualy inspect each round for bullet set-back, tipping, crushed or missing primers etc...before they are put in mags or strippers. No issues of short stroking or other such maladies. Only possible negatives I've seen so far out of 4k rounds plus ( most still on strippers, etc...) are 3 rounds where the primer(s) look a little mashed. These have been culled from the herd, but will be shot on the next outing. Lastly, several boxes have contained an off-colored primer that looks more like ones youd use when reloading ( steel colored ). Am unsure as to the reason for that as my E-mail to Rem. went un-answered. |
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I and three of my children fired 4,888 rounds at a recent EAG Carbine Operator Class. We had five rounds whose bullets had virtually no crimp. Three were identified whilst jamming mags; the other two failed to chamber. Otherwise, they went bang and hit where they were shot. Collected the brass for reloading. Pulled the bullets on the five and will reload them as well. |
| I have fired about 200 rounds of 55gr MC, the 200 yard accuaracy is 3-5" per box using a 24" varmint barrel (probably Wilson) sold by J&T Dist. No malfunctions, good price at Walmart. I am happy with it, I can use it to shoot coyotes out to 250 i think. Accuracy is about 5-9" at 200 with the 16" barrel. |
| weak brass and not accurate. I would buy it to plink but never for serious use. and rem brass sucks for reloading |
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| I fired 1 round and had a major problem with it. the case didn't extract and it threw the bolt carrier back into the recoil spring and stuck the bolt carrier in the stock. had to disassemble the whole weapon and forces the carrier back out of the stock then take my cleaning rod and jam it into the case that was stuck in the barrel!! For 24.99 for a box of 40 it's not worth the trouble. |
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OK this may be a stupid question. But how do you guys find the rounds that had bullet set back?
If they feed into the camber and to fire them how would you know? Do you guys run each round through your rifle without firing to check for set back? Or do the rounds with set back jam and that is the way you find them? |
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Shot 40 rounds of the 50 grain hollowpoint on Spike's Tactical/Delton gun and had NUMEROUS setback issues as the hollowpoint would catch the edge of the feed ramps. Unimpressed. Won't be buying this stuff again!
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UMC .223 55gr 20rd boxes
FIred a few hundred through a Bushy and a few hundred through a Styer USR. Cases had dents and dings (not quite as bad as LC brass). Grouped ok. A little dirty No major or functional complaints Not my favorite and will only buy if nothing else is available. UMC .45 (if anyone cares in the ar-15 section) several hundred from a 1911 (mix of 50rd boxes and 250 value packs) Inconistent Dirty Some FTFeed. Will not buy anymore .45 at all. Much better .45 that can be had for cheaper then UMC out there. The .45 experience has tainted my opinion of all UMC products though. |
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At least 300 rnds fired, 55gr 20 round boxes.
No problems, other than "pleh" accuracy. Not as bad as Wolf though, about equal with PMC but the latter looks prettier 
16" Middy 1:8.75 5.56 chamber. Use M193 for buisness. Keep this stuff for range use. It's also rather expensive...save up for M193 bulk instead. |
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Over a year since last reply but.....
Yellow box of 200 rounds bought at Cabela's. Shot all 200 with no problems. Accuracy was good for me, but I was in a gravel pit shooting at cans at up to 100 yds paced out, so I can't speak to exactly how accurate it would've been on a KD range. Shot in Spike's 16" mid-length upper with 1 in 7 twist. C-Products mags. This was the first ammo I shot in this rifle. Didn't seem overly dirty to me. |
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I've been buying it for about 5 years at Walmart whenever they have some. It was about $6 a box then, went to $12 and is under $8 now for 20 round box.
I went with Remington UMC because I could actually buy it (Walmart, Dicks, Bass Pro) vs. having it on backorder for years and it is more accurate than the Federal or Winchester equivalents in MY rifle. I probably have a couple thousand rounds of it in reserve. I've been getting some of the Federal .223 lately mail order because it's been too good a deal to pass up and it works very well. I've shot at least 2000 rounds of the UMC through my DPMS AP4 with no malfunctions of any type. I use it mostly for medium range 3 gun matches on steel where I can't use Wolf and don't want to burn up handloads. I haven't evaluated it for flash but it appears to be a little dirtier than Winchester or Federal. Through experience, I don't like Remington brass for reloading as well as Winchester, but for plinking loads it's fine. Overall, I'd use it for anything I needed ammo for. I think it would kill a zombie, home invader, or rioter despite the weak brass and crud. |
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