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SK, CAN
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Posted: 3/21/2024 1:24:13 PM EDT
I was offered an 8lb container of CFE 223 at a price which was too good a deal to turn down. Does anyone here use it ? if so please post details of your loads. Thanks 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2024 1:35:46 PM EDT
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I was told it's about the same as AR comp.
I shoot bench rest 6mm br. It does really good in it but... It's baby powder fine and really sticks to the inside of lubed necks. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2024 1:37:03 PM EDT
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.223, primarily 55 gr. Fiddled with it in 30-30 and .308. I don't think it's as good as H335 (which it is very close to)
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Posted: 3/21/2024 1:59:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: seamasterpro]
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I ended up with a bunch and tested some 55gr loads, I was near max charge and they were almost 400 FPS slow compared to factory ammo, the lower/mid charges wouldn't even cycle the gun. I was testing it out of a 10.3" so maybe its better out of longer barrels? Switched to Power Pro Varmint and it seemed to work as expected.
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Posted: 3/21/2024 2:59:12 PM EDT
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I had very good results with this and 69SMK in .223. YMMV.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2024 3:17:07 PM EDT
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my data below by bullet weight for 223 in a 20 in barrel 1-7.5 Rock Creek CLE chamber AR15 HP competition rifle, work up etc.
55's 27.2g-unknown 69's 26.2g-2870fps 77's 25.2g-2790fps 80's 26.0g-2820fps ( 80's loaded long for single load) practice ammo is 77 seconds at 24.7g in a CLE Krieger 1-7.7. It cant take the 25.2, velocity is 2750fps or so |
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USA
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Posted: 3/21/2024 4:19:35 PM EDT
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Probably would be better to ask here Reloading
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Posted: 3/21/2024 5:08:29 PM EDT
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I used an 8lb jug of it and won't touch it again. Most of the rifle shooting I do is semi-auto and suppressed, and the CFE223 has an extreme ammonia smell that would gas me out in just a few rounds. If you shoot .223 or .308 bolt rifles you may like it. It does get good velocities.
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SK, CAN
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Posted: 3/21/2024 5:43:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Pureblood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chevrofreak: I used an 8lb jug of it and won't touch it again. Most of the rifle shooting I do is semi-auto and suppressed, and the CFE223 has an extreme ammonia smell that would gas me out in just a few rounds. If you shoot .223 or .308 bolt rifles you may like it. It does get good velocities. I just shot a few different bullet weights to get a feel for it, the best I got was a 1 inch 5 shot group with 40 grain Hornady V MAX bullets. and yes it does smell a bit different. Are you using an AR-15 ? I will load a range of charges for each bullet weight this evening, but I will probably wait till I get a rifle rest before I shoot them, with any luck I will have one next week. I have no idea what the velocities are, and I don't really mind, all I'm bothered about is getting good consistent accuracy.   MRX Bison Ranger 16" |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 7:24:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pureblood: Are you using an AR-15 ? Yes. Even my PSA JAKL gassed me out with CFE223, and I don't find it to be a gassy rifle. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 7:39:28 PM EDT
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I've used it in .223, .224 Valkyrie, 6mm ARC, 6.5 Grendel and .308.
It is a medium burning rifle powder good for a wide range of calibers. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 10:46:57 PM EDT
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I've been using it in .22 Creedmoor for 62gr and sub loads.
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ID, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2024 9:53:00 AM EDT
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CFE223 is my go to plinking powder. It's cheap, usually available, and gives me good velocities without the need for pissin hot handloads.
I also use it for my general varmint hunting rounds. It gives me the speed as mentioned and good enough accuracy. It meters extremely well so that's why I am partial to it. It is temp sensitive so do your load development in the summer. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2024 10:48:12 AM EDT
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I’ve used a few pounds of CFE223 in my 6.5 Grendel AR-15’s and Cz 527. With 120-123 grain bullets 31.0 grains CFE223 is my go to load with Hornady or Lapua brass.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2024 11:15:45 AM EDT
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CFE 223 is one of the two main powders used in 6 ARC, the other being Lever.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2024 2:51:48 PM EDT
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 CFE223 is #140 on the chart |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2024 2:58:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VASCAR2: I’ve used a few pounds of CFE223 in my 6.5 Grendel AR-15’s and Cz 527. With 120-123 grain bullets 31.0 grains CFE223 is my go to load with Hornady or Lapua brass. That’s about the same as my go-to grendel load. It really shines in the Grendel, but I’ve also found it does well with copper monolithics in 223/5.56. |
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Posted: 3/23/2024 12:24:22 AM EDT
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I use it in my 32 Winchester Spc, ironically I don't think I have loaded any 223 with it.
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SK, CAN
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Posted: 3/23/2024 4:05:14 AM EDT
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It does reduce copper fouling.
I used wipeout, and for the first time ever did not notice any blue residue at all. |
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SD, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 4:12:02 PM EDT
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I like it in 5.56 for a Sierra 69 TMK.
After I've shot up all the .338-06 I have loaded with Reloder 17, I plan on giving it a go in that to see how it compares. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 12:19:20 PM EDT
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It’s okay for .223/5.56 loads. It shines for me in the 22/250.
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SK, CAN
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Posted: 4/11/2024 12:40:25 PM EDT
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I can shoot moa all day using CFE 223 and bulk 55 grainers with this set up. The rest shows beyond doubt that I'm the weakest link without it.
I have bought a range of bullets for load experiments, but it's difficult to see how I can improve much on what I have already.  |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 8:13:33 AM EDT
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Incredible velocity.
Incredible velocity swings with comically low temp stability. One might even say volatile. Incredible pressure swings from batch to batch. Best of all and ironically, besides black powder it'd the filthiest shit you will ever run in your rifle. Just run 2 mags of CFE223 in a suppresed DI gun. It almost creates a sooty mud thought the recievers, and oozing out in every crack. |
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SK, CAN
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Posted: 4/12/2024 9:32:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By campower: Incredible velocity. Incredible velocity swings with comically low temp stability. One might even say volatile. Incredible pressure swings from batch to batch. Best of all and ironically, besides black powder it'd the filthiest shit you will ever run in your rifle. Just run 2 mags of CFE223 in a suppresed DI gun. It almost creates a sooty mud thought the recievers, and oozing out in every crack. How many batches have you tried ? |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 3:24:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
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Originally Posted By Pureblood: I can shoot moa all day using CFE 223 and bulk 55 grainers . . .  .... |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:06:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: campower]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pureblood: How many batches have you tried ? Can't be sure. I purchased some when it first was released and used it for Hot 308 110 Varmint loads for awile, however it's too spikey to load warm. I've used in 204 Ruger and 5.56 for plinking loads over the years. Two 8lbs jugs from different lots that behaved completely differently, and maybe half dozen or so 1lbs jugs. To each there own, but this is a product that I can soundly say objectively in regards to suppressed rifles, this is the dirtiest smokeless powder to run. Borderline it should come with a warning. However great your load is at 70 degrees means nothing, because at 67 degrees you have loat 20fps and your harmonics are completely different. If you shoot in the same temperature with a unsuppresed rifle this stuff will due in a 20-21 Covid pinch. Keep your extra 50fps, I'll take my single digit SD/ES and 30fps velocity swing from 20-85 degrees from my stick powders. |
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Posted: 4/15/2024 8:13:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pureblood: I can shoot moa all day using CFE 223 and bulk 55 grainers with this set up. The rest shows beyond doubt that I'm the weakest link without it. I have bought a range of bullets for load experiments, but it's difficult to see how I can improve much on what I have already. https://i.imgur.com/0w46rEHl.jpg No, you cant. |
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SK, CAN
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Posted: 4/15/2024 9:00:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Pureblood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By campower: No, you cant. Why not ? 1 moa is nothing unusual these days, several manufacturers guarantee 1 moa right out of the box. TRX BRONCO HUNTER AN UNCOMPRIMISING HUNTING RIFLE OVERVIEW The TRX Bronco Hunter is a utility rifle designed for backcountry carry and hunting. It is part of Black Creek’s newest line of Bronco bolt action rifles and the answer to a compact, accurate rifle for the ranch, range or backcountry hunt. The Bronco Hunter is one of very few bolt action rifles that feed from high capacity AR10/SR25 mags, eliminating the requirement for extra mags or loose ammunition. The TRX Bronco Hunter uses the two piece, Bronco adaptable chassis system with a 10 inch fore-end. The chassis is made of aircraft grade aluminum and fitted with a folding stock, that captures the bolt handle when folded. When fitted with our patent pending safety wedge, the FSS stock can be made to lock the Safety in the “safe” position, making it unable to fire when the stock is folded. The TRX Bronco Hunter uses the Black Creek TRX Short action, which can be chambered in .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor. It feeds from double stacked AR10/SR25 magazines and is guaranteed to shoot 1 MOA with suggested commercial ammunition. The TRX action is fitted with a TriggerTech REM700 field trigger, making it one of the smoothest shooting rifles available in its class. I just bought a TRX BRONCO HUNTER in 308 |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2024 11:05:27 AM EDT
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Bought a pound because it was all they had a while back finally used it wasn’t that impressed. Wasn’t as accurate in my gun as 335.
I used it for plinker loads so didn’t matter much but definitely won’t be my first or second choice powder. I used 26.1 for 55 fmj. |
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SK, CAN
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Posted: 4/16/2024 12:53:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar15robert: Bought a pound because it was all they had a while back finally used it wasn’t that impressed. Wasn’t as accurate in my gun as 335. I used it for plinker loads so didn’t matter much but definitely won’t be my first or second choice powder. I used 26.1 for 55 fmj. What was your gun ? |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2024 9:49:24 AM EDT
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OP:
FWIW................. people are skeptical of your comments for several reasons: -alot of shooters here realize that "bulk 55 grainers" bullets are incapable of "MOA" accuracy. -some here have had poor experiences with CFE and instead ALOT of shooting shows powders like H335 are better for the light bullets. -Factories can advertise MOA rifles but it doesn't in any way mean that will actually happen. |
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SK, CAN
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Posted: 4/17/2024 9:59:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Pureblood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGH456E: OP: FWIW................. people are skeptical of your comments for several reasons: -alot of shooters here realize that "bulk 55 grainers" bullets are incapable of "MOA" accuracy. -some here have had poor experiences with CFE and instead ALOT of shooting shows powders like H335 are better for the light bullets. -Factories can advertise MOA rifles but it doesn't in any way mean that will actually happen. I can't help what people think I can only post my findings.BTW I use pulled surplus 7.62 bullets and get 1 moa or less with them. 1/2 inch at 100 meters.   |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2024 10:05:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pureblood: I can't help what people think I can only post my findings.BTW I use pulled surplus 7.62 bullets and get 1 moa or less with them. 1/2 inch at 100 meters. https://i.imgur.com/cBJObCB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Qshl7l3.jpg For how many rounds, 3? Most people here would consider 5 the bare minimum, 10 being a better sample size. Hornady on their podcast talks about how you really need 20-30 to have a statistically valid sample size. |
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SK, CAN
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Posted: 4/17/2024 10:28:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluedog82: For how many rounds, 3? Most people here would consider 5 the bare minimum, 10 being a better sample size. Hornady on their podcast talks about how you really need 20-30 to have a statistically valid sample size. It was four shots with a brand new rifle when I was sighting it in on a brand new gong. : ) I'm very happy ( overjoyed actually ) with that rifle and the ammo. The powder is also military surplus. People can doubt to their hearts content , it does not bother me. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2024 1:24:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pureblood: It was four shots with a brand new rifle when I was sighting it in on a brand new gong. : ) I'm very happy ( overjoyed actually ) with that rifle and the ammo. The powder is also military surplus. People can doubt to their hearts content , it does not bother me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pureblood: Originally Posted By bluedog82: For how many rounds, 3? Most people here would consider 5 the bare minimum, 10 being a better sample size. Hornady on their podcast talks about how you really need 20-30 to have a statistically valid sample size. It was four shots with a brand new rifle when I was sighting it in on a brand new gong. : ) I'm very happy ( overjoyed actually ) with that rifle and the ammo. The powder is also military surplus. People can doubt to their hearts content , it does not bother me. Sir: I have no dog in the fight as they say............. so you do you. But if you want to taken seriously in this forum........... and this is supposed to be a technical forum and not GD which is for s%%t talking...... You might do better presenting your results in a better format. Some smacks on steel don't tell much. Atleast actually measure it............ :) And yes......... throw up a 10 shot group measured properly.............. and then talk smack. Eh? |
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SK, CAN
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Posted: 4/17/2024 9:42:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGH456E: Sir: I have no dog in the fight as they say............. so you do you. But if you want to taken seriously in this forum........... and this is supposed to be a technical forum and not GD which is for s%%t talking...... You might do better presenting your results in a better format. Some smacks on steel don't tell much. Atleast actually measure it............ :) And yes......... throw up a 10 shot group measured properly.............. and then talk smack. Eh? I will do what I like when it pleases me. OK ? |
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