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FAQ: The Big Thread On FF & Railed Forends (Page 7 of 8)
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Does anyone have any info good or bad about Command Arms Rails systems. I have a M4 Bushmaster and I was wondering if this rail system was good or not.
Any recomendations? http://commandarms.com/product.asp?pID=10&cID=8 http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/moistmaster/guns/x61.jpg |
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looking for top three choices in 2 pc. Carbine length 7"; rail forend.
no ability at this point to remove barrel for free float type system. what do you recommend. Looking for input from users of other systems. Always looking for that better mouse trap. I have Sure Fire and Troy on two of my rifles. So i am familiar with them. |
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Originally Posted By huntgrouse:
looking for top three choices in 2 pc. Carbine length 7"; rail forend. no ability at this point to remove barrel for free float type system. what do you recommend. Looking for input from users of other systems. Always looking for that better mouse trap. I have Sure Fire and Troy on two of my rifles. So i am familiar with them. DD Omega 7.0. (Drop in and it free floats too.  )
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Rob S has a rail chart on his site.
Rob's Chart |
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Anyone have experience with Carbine Quad Rails from NCStar? I've read that their optics are questionable.
I just want something for a vertical foregrip and my Surefire. I can't afford a Larue setup right now. http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/472fefee_3e08/bc/pictures/MAR4S-MAR4L.jpg?BCf8fpJBtlBTJiWP Thanks! |
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On Rob's chart, how can the Daniel Defense M4 rail be lighter than the lite? |
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Originally Posted By tanner12oz:
this is probably a dumb question but im still trying to get a hang of all the AR lingo...... a free floating rails purpose is to do what??? 1. Any rail's purpose is to allow you to mount things to the forearm (lights, verticle grips, sights, etc). 2. The free float rail removes all contact with the barrel improving harmonics and therefore increasing accuracty especially when you really snug yourself into your sling. 3. They look for 'Bad Ass' than standard handguard even if they weigh more. |
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I've got a couple of weights to add to the chart! emailed tory and yhm:
troy extreme rail with acc. rails, midlength 13.62 oz, rifle length 15.13oz YHM diamond rail, mid-length weighs 12.4 ounces and the rifle length 14.75 (tech. said its the same weight as the lightweight rails) PTK |
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Originally Posted By Jrock82:
On Rob's chart, how can the Daniel Defense M4 rail be lighter than the lite? because the M4 uses a lighter aluminum barrel nut, with a slightly heavier rail. The Lite uses a stronger, heavier steel barrel nut with a lighter rail. |
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Originally Posted By Solodevice:
So basically what i am hearing is UTG is the way to go?  If a few more oz. is not an issue the UTG drop-in is a solid unit. I have a friend that has one on his carbine and he really likes it, and I am thinking about getting one for a midlength. If anyone has had issues with the UTG drop-in rail other than weight I would like to hear them. |
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Originally Posted By ew22hba:
Originally Posted By Solodevice:
So basically what i am hearing is UTG is the way to go? If a few more oz. is not an issue the UTG drop-in is a solid unit. I have a friend that has one on his carbine and he really likes it, and I am thinking about getting one for a midlength. If anyone has had issues with the UTG drop-in rail other than weight I would like to hear them. UTG Midlength is 14.6oz for the rail with screws which appears to be in the range of the others. They come with very heavy rubber covers for each panel which ad a lot of weight, pretty much nobody uses these. Several of our LEOs bought these for their issued M4s and they all appear to mount very solid. So I bought a midlength version for my ar-15. Biggest problem with the UTG is it has a small UTG logo on them. |
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Originally Posted By c5hardtop:
UTG Midlength is 14.6oz for the rail with screws which appears to be in the range of the others. They come with very heavy rubber covers for each panel which ad a lot of weight, pretty much nobody uses these. Several of our LEOs bought these for their issued M4s and they all appear to mount very solid. So I bought a midlength version for my ar-15. Biggest problem with the UTG is it has a small UTG logo on them. Well said! 
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Several upper receiver weights listed here. Constantly being updated (Updated 03-28-10 - Current version has 64 different upper receiver configurations):
03designgroup | AR15 Upper Receiver Weight Comparisons 
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FIRSH Handguard Weights are as follows: F23R = .40 lb (pistol length barrels) F8R = .70 lb (Carbine length barrels) F85R = .85 lb (Mid-length barrels) F7R = 1.10 lb (Rifle length barrels) F8LCR = 1.45 lb (Long enough to cover a full 16" barrel to the muzzle.) These weight includes barrel nut and locking screws |
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| Does anyone have the DD Lite Rail 9.5 FSP installed with Adams Arms carbine length piston system? I know I want either the DD Lite 7.0 or the DD Lite Rail 9.5 FSP for my carbine length. I'd just like to know how well the 9.5 and gas block line up, as in being flush all around. (I don't want extra rail length past the end of the block) If you have a picture that would be great too. Thank you in advance. |
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Does anyone know how much the complete front sight base the delta ring and the barrel nut weight? Since these are coming off the rifle and usually get replaced by the rails proprietary components which I think are accounted in the weight presented in the first post, I'm wondering what the weight ends up being. Also, does any one know how heavy different low profile gas blocks are?
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So like, what's a sweet, super-lightweight FFT for a rifle-length?
I have an old Olympic Arms quadrail that I scored back during the ban years and now really realize that the stinkin' thing is so damn boatanchory heavy madness that I'd like to run with a lightweight, slimline FFT. I ain't really need no dang quad rails, but I would like to be able to add on like a bipod adapter, a side sling swivel for my Vickers and maybe throw on a couple of rails at 1:30 and 10:30 for my flashlight and the sweet JP Short Range Tactical Sight (which I love). Rock me. |
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I don't know if this has been posted before but heres a chart with weights and dimensions of the most popular rails..
chart Brent |
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sorry if I missed it..I didn't read all 14 pages but is there any such info/reviews on the SWS line of rails i.e. Noveske forends. I know they are a bit heavy but they seem to get overlooked , considering they are a top tier ARs' stock handguard.
The SWS/Noveske union,I'm sure,must be an old alliance but you'de think Novekse would partner up with a more main stream company like DD or something. They would benefit from n ultra-light next gen rail IMO especially on their heavy SS barrels. |
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Originally Posted By Mccray: sorry if I missed it..I didn't read all 14 pages but is there any such info/reviews on the SWS line of rails i.e. Noveske forends. I know they are a bit heavy but they seem to get overlooked , considering they are a top tier ARs' stock handguard. The SWS/Noveske union,I'm sure,must be an old alliance but you'de think Novekse would partner up with a more main stream company like DD or something. They would benefit from n ultra-light next gen rail IMO especially on their heavy SS barrels. The SWS E1 is not heavy at all. I don't have the numbers at hand, but it is lighter than most actually and much stronger/stiffer. I've assembled hundreds of AR10 uppers, and I prefer SWS over anything else on the market. Maybe you are thinking about the original SWS rails? |
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Originally Posted By Slash:
Originally Posted By Mccray:
sorry if I missed it..I didn't read all 14 pages but is there any such info/reviews on the SWS line of rails i.e. Noveske forends. I know they are a bit heavy but they seem to get overlooked , considering they are a top tier ARs' stock handguard. The SWS/Noveske union,I'm sure,must be an old alliance but you'de think Novekse would partner up with a more main stream company like DD or something. They would benefit from n ultra-light next gen rail IMO especially on their heavy SS barrels. The SWS E1 is not heavy at all. I don't have the numbers at hand, but it is lighter than most actually and much stronger/stiffer. I've assembled hundreds of AR10 uppers, and I prefer SWS over anything else on the market. Maybe you are thinking about the original SWS rails? ok, that is good to know then. I have never taken mine off. I just read somewhere someone saying they were heavy...I guess they were wrong . I am probably attributing the extra weight to the rail when it's actually the SS barrel.
Why doesnt SWS seem to ever get mentioned ,here,as a viable aftermarket rail though? I never heard of them until I bought the Noveske |
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OK, I'm new here. First post. I just bought a Bushmaster. Click here to see the model
I'm sure some of this may have been discussed, but there's 14 pages worth of stuff I don't have the time for. 
I want to get a very nice rail. Could someone please explain the advantages/disadvantages to free-floating rails? Also, any good brand reccomendations? I like the looks of this one. Is it long enough? I don't know how long of one I need to buy for my rifle (see link above). Basically I want to get the rail for my size of gun that is most like the one the military uses. Any suggestions??? |
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I really like my Surefire M73. |
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I am trying to figure out which would be a lighter setup...the Troy VTAC TRX 11" or a DD LITE 10"
based on this: http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/ar15-upper-receiver-weight-comparisons LW barrel with VTAC 11" (#40) = 3lb 3.6oz LW barrel with DD LITE 12" (#34) = 3lb 4.2oz to estimate what it would weigh with a DD LITE 10" instead of the 12", I use this site: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pwswheghNQsFnUZMkZNF2DQ#gid=0 which lists the difference between a 12 and a 10 as 15.3oz - 12.5oz = 2.8oz subtract that 2.8oz difference from the original setup above and you get 3lb 4.2oz - 2.8oz = 3lb 1.4 oz therefore, the DD should be a lighter setup by 2.2oz.....that sound correct to everyone? |
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Originally Posted By Camaro822:
I am trying to figure out which would be a lighter setup...the Troy VTAC TRX 11" or a DD LITE 10" based on this: http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/ar15-upper-receiver-weight-comparisons LW barrel with VTAC 11" (#40) = 3lb 3.6oz LW barrel with DD LITE 12" (#34) = 3lb 4.2oz to estimate what it would weigh with a DD LITE 10" instead of the 12", I use this site: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pwswheghNQsFnUZMkZNF2DQ#gid=0 which lists the difference between a 12 and a 10 as 15.3oz - 12.5oz = 2.8oz subtract that 2.8oz difference from the original setup above and you get 3lb 4.2oz - 2.8oz = 3lb 1.4 oz therefore, the DD should be a lighter setup by 2.2oz.....that sound correct to everyone? it doesnt really make sense to me that a full quadrail that is only 1 inch shorter could be lighter than the VTAC that only has a top rail and generous relief cutting. are the DD lite rails really that light? if so what makes them so light? |
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ive been searching for a few days now on FF rails for ar 10s and i dont wanna start a new thread just to ask so maybe one of you guys will see this and point me in a direction.
ive got a DPMS 7.62 oracle.. but i seem to come up empty handed when i look for a 10" rail.. i understand i need a low profile gas block altho idk which one to go with is it possible to find a (roughly) 10" FF quad rail ? that possibly ties in to the upper rail like the troy rail would ? ive seen the 13.8 and some 12" but thats not the look im going for 10ish would be perfect |
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Originally Posted By davis9588:
Midwest Industries Extended Carbine length http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d189/davis9588/007.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d189/davis9588/010.jpg what? 
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I have a Bushmaster E2S ORC and I'm trying to figure out which quad rail to get. I want something that will cover the gas block and hopefully wont require any special parts or modifications to my rifle. Any recommendations? Do all FF rails require a special threaded barrel nut? Is it possible to just get a mid length 2 piece drop in rail? Thanks |
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Originally Posted By JMiller613:
Hello I have a Bushmaster E2S ORC and I'm trying to figure out which quad rail to get. I want something that will cover the gas block and hopefully wont require any special parts or modifications to my rifle. Any recommendations? Do all FF rails require a special threaded barrel nut? Is it possible to just get a mid length 2 piece drop in rail? Thanks This isn't mid length, but it is a drop in FF from Troy. The Charlie Rail is a quad rail, but is a lot heavier than the gutted Delta Rail linked below. 
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