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Posted: 11/11/2023 11:04:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By --FLEET--: Still in mock up phase. Will be shootable once I get my collar from Ron https://i.imgur.com/eVSBvzx.jpg Oh my, that's awesome. |
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Posted: 11/11/2023 12:28:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goody454: I’m not sure where this gun fits, but it does have a gangster-grip and feels GWOT’ish https://i.ibb.co/Lpgwd0z/IMG-0788.jpg @Goody454 That is badass bro |
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Posted: 11/11/2023 2:06:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WJP556: Tell me why I don't need a 416 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WJP556: Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53181073545_e9fd3abe78_b.jpg Tell me why I don't need a 416 If you’re actually serious about that statement, pm me. If that was a sarcastic “I’m about to jizz from that picture” then ignore my post. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2023 2:10:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbutcher: If you’re actually serious about that statement, pm me. If that was a sarcastic “I’m about to jizz from that picture” then ignore my post. Share with all of us. I’m always interested in hearing both sides of the argument. 
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Posted: 11/11/2023 2:15:07 PM EDT
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I have received complaints about 416 dudes creeping on my thread.
416s are only acceptable if posted with cobs. Thank you |
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Posted: 11/11/2023 2:21:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/11/2023 3:03:15 PM EDT
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You’re not my mom, I’ll post whatever I want to post.
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Posted: 11/11/2023 3:28:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bradpierson26]
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Are there HK 416 80% variant lowers?
ETA: just read the comments on this page - I’ll take my question elsewhere lol |
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Posted: 11/11/2023 4:17:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: Share with all of us. I’m always interested in hearing both sides of the argument. Ok here it goes. I don’t want this to be more long winded than it needs to be. I’ll also preface with “this is my opinion and preference based on my experience.” The 416 (a real one, not a poser brownells with a faxon barrel) was the coolest but most hated 556 sbr I owned. Let me explain. It was very cool because of the history, the GWOT significance, and the events that the gun participated in. It’s also cool because of the engineering. If I never shot my guns, or only shot my guns a little bit, I’d still have my 416. Here’s why I don’t have it anymore: it sucked to shoot, and it sucked to maintain. My experience spanned a non vented AF (with the heavy barrel) and a vented BE (with the lighter barrel). Both with surefire cans. The AF ultimately ended up with a slash xh buffer and a law folder, putting the reciprocating buffer mass over 10oz. It still ejected at 12:30, threw brass several feet, and had very fast carrier speed. Truly ridiculously fast carrier speed. However, that wasn’t the worst part. The worst part was the truly amazing amount of gas that ended up in the shooters face. You would think the vented BE gun would be better, and lighter to boot! Well, it was lighter. Exact same experience as tbe AF, except I would use more reasonable buffer weights. Quick recap: they are absurdly overgassed. Past the point of reliability and into the realm of excessive wear. Not a problem if you are an organization with a large budget for weaponry. Big problem if you’re an individual who shoots a lot. Parts are expensive. Very expensive. And not all bad. The parts are very well made. And they need to be, because the gun beats itself to death each time you shoot it. If I could buy DI barrels made out to the 416 barrel steel and chrome lined (so literally just a 416 barrel set up for a DI gun), I would. Hodge barrels are the closest I’ve found. TL/DR: it was hard for me to justify keeping a gun that I hated to shoot, no matter how cool the history. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2023 4:33:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbutcher: Ok here it goes. I don’t want this to be more long winded than it needs to be. I’ll also preface with “this is my opinion and preference based on my experience.” The 416 (a real one, not a poser brownells with a faxon barrel) was the coolest but most hated 556 sbr I owned. Let me explain. It was very cool because of the history, the GWOT significance, and the events that the gun participated in. It’s also cool because of the engineering. If I never shot my guns, or only shot my guns a little bit, I’d still have my 416. Here’s why I don’t have it anymore: it sucked to shoot, and it sucked to maintain. My experience spanned a non vented AF (with the heavy barrel) and a vented BE (with the lighter barrel). Both with surefire cans. The AF ultimately ended up with a slash xh buffer and a law folder, putting the reciprocating buffer mass over 10oz. It still ejected at 12:30, threw brass several feet, and had very fast carrier speed. Truly ridiculously fast carrier speed. However, that wasn’t the worst part. The worst part was the truly amazing amount of gas that ended up in the shooters face. You would think the vented BE gun would be better, and lighter to boot! Well, it was lighter. Exact same experience as tbe AF, except I would use more reasonable buffer weights. Quick recap: they are absurdly overgassed. Past the point of reliability and into the realm of excessive wear. Not a problem if you are an organization with a large budget for weaponry. Big problem if you’re an individual who shoots a lot. Parts are expensive. Very expensive. And not all bad. The parts are very well made. And they need to be, because the gun beats itself to death each time you shoot it. If I could buy DI barrels made out to the 416 barrel steel and chrome lined (so literally just a 416 barrel set up for a DI gun), I would. Hodge barrels are the closest I’ve found. TL/DR: it was hard for me to justify keeping a gun that I hated to shoot, no matter how cool the history. That’s a great write up. Thanks for that. I have a similar experience with 416s as you do. I run a hydraulic buffer in mine and it helped tremendously in toning down the recoil impulse and keeping it flat, so it doesn’t feel quite as violent. I agree with everything you said about the parts, but I just love shooting this thing. It’s the rifle I’m most confident in, because I know it will always work when I need it to…. |
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Posted: 11/11/2023 4:59:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rbutcher]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: That’s a great write up. Thanks for that. I have a similar experience with 416s as you do. I run a hydraulic buffer in mine and it helped tremendously in toning down the recoil impulse and keeping it flat, so it doesn’t feel quite as violent. I agree with everything you said about the parts, but I just love shooting this thing. It’s the rifle I’m most confident in, because I know it will always work when I need it to…. I agree with what you said. A 416 will always go bang if you’re using even shit ammo. They are very reliable and resistant against fouling, cold weather, or debris. Edit: That said, a properly built DI gun will always go bang when you need it to do so, while being lighter, more serviceable, softer shooting, with less gas to the face. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/12/2023 8:31:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/220444/20231111_131818_jpg-3023881.JPG MCX/416 Picture/Discussion Thread |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 8:50:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: MCX/416 Picture/Discussion Thread 
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:41:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: Nope, I don't sell things. That may be a problem of its own though.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By broy_jenkins: Am I the only one that can never stop ripping everything apart and selling shit https://i.postimg.cc/tgkDRrGP/IMG-6860.jpg Nope, I don't sell things. That may be a problem of its own though. I sold an upper once. Worst decision I've ever made. 
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Posted: 11/13/2023 4:29:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013: Originally Posted By Eyekahn: MCX/416 Picture/Discussion Thread /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/jerryPopcorn-685.gif I can play....   Attached File |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/13/2023 5:15:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oldbrowndog: I can play.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/432480/RenderedImage_jpg-3026487.JPG Why don't you have a 7" riser on that thing?????? How tha fuq you gonna see that dot???? |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 6:47:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oldbrowndog: I can play.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/432480/RenderedImage_jpg-3026487.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oldbrowndog: Originally Posted By Dobs013: Originally Posted By Eyekahn: MCX/416 Picture/Discussion Thread /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/jerryPopcorn-685.gif I can play.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/432480/RenderedImage_jpg-3026487.JPG  I wish someone made a cf handguard for the Virtus uppers. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 7:18:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: I wish someone made a cf handguard for the Virtus uppers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By oldbrowndog: Originally Posted By Dobs013: Originally Posted By Eyekahn: MCX/416 Picture/Discussion Thread /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/jerryPopcorn-685.gif I can play.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/432480/RenderedImage_jpg-3026487.JPG I wish someone made a cf handguard for the Virtus uppers. Find a Virtuous Concepts XTN and the Lancer handguard will work on a Virtus receiver. https://www.virtuous-concepts.com/product-page/rattler-xtn Or find a Legacy upper and throw your Virtus guts into it, that’s what I did.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 7:45:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SecretSquirell]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: Find a Virtuous Concepts XTN and the Lancer handguard will work on a Virtus receiver. https://www.virtuous-concepts.com/product-page/rattler-xtn Or find a Legacy upper and throw your Virtus guts into it, that’s what I did. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/294984/84A73082-DD41-49D2-BF36-C9CEB871F776_jpe-3026642.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By oldbrowndog: Originally Posted By Dobs013: Originally Posted By Eyekahn: MCX/416 Picture/Discussion Thread /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/jerryPopcorn-685.gif I can play.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/432480/RenderedImage_jpg-3026487.JPG I wish someone made a cf handguard for the Virtus uppers. Find a Virtuous Concepts XTN and the Lancer handguard will work on a Virtus receiver. https://www.virtuous-concepts.com/product-page/rattler-xtn Or find a Legacy upper and throw your Virtus guts into it, that’s what I did. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/294984/84A73082-DD41-49D2-BF36-C9CEB871F776_jpe-3026642.JPG Oh damn! Gonna cost me some money now.  ETA: Crap, I see it doesn't work with 10.5"+ barrels. Guess I'm gonna need a shorter barrel.
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Posted: 11/13/2023 10:38:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: Or find a Legacy upper and throw your Virtus guts into it, that’s what I did. This is the way |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:08:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AirborneCIB]
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Exactly as issued to me. Everything is period correct, except the lower which is a recent manufacture Colt Carbine factory SBR.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 7:22:25 PM EDT
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I bought a house! New basement floor pic:
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Posted: 11/14/2023 7:30:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: I bought a house! New basement floor pic: https://i.postimg.cc/6qFhFBmq/IMG-20231114-182013155-2.jpg 
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Posted: 11/14/2023 8:07:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: I bought a house! New basement floor pic: https://i.postimg.cc/6qFhFBmq/IMG-20231114-182013155-2.jpg Noice!! You gonna have time first of Dec to handle up on some things for me @HaveBlue83 |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 8:30:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWHAILYEAH: Noice!! You gonna have time first of Dec to handle up on some things for me @HaveBlue83 Yepp I can do some things. I should have a garage up in the spring, and then I can get the ....machine shop setup, for some cloney stuff @ home :) |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:17:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: Yepp I can do some things. I should have a garage up in the spring, and then I can get the ....machine shop setup, for some cloney stuff @ home :) Oh hell yeah. I’ll get up with ya after thanksgiving brother |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 10:45:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/14/2023 10:49:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: I bought a house! New basement floor pic: https://i.postimg.cc/6qFhFBmq/IMG-20231114-182013155-2.jpg Congrats buddy! |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/15/2023 10:07:55 PM EDT
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Form 1 finally came back for this. Needs an M4-2000, I ordered one of the new production ones through Bauer Precision so I'm hoping it'll be in my hands by September next year
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Posted: 11/15/2023 10:11:21 PM EDT
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 My clone of a Colt 6933! 18Z50 |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 10:20:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thatARMSguy: Form 1 finally came back for this. Needs an M4-2000, I ordered one of the new production ones through Bauer Precision so I'm hoping it'll be in my hands by September next year https://i.imgur.com/jftx7BS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8mmQAcH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gHf4wJt.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6qEuknZ.jpg 
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USA
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Posted: 11/15/2023 10:27:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thatARMSguy: Form 1 finally came back for this. Needs an M4-2000, I ordered one of the new production ones through Bauer Precision so I'm hoping it'll be in my hands by September next year You sure lived up to your screen name... I like it. I've always had a soft spot for those parts despite how mediocre they are. |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 11/16/2023 9:30:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: MCX/416 Picture/Discussion Thread Based 
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Posted: 11/16/2023 9:55:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thatARMSguy: Form 1 finally came back for this. Needs an M4-2000, I ordered one of the new production ones through Bauer Precision so I'm hoping it'll be in my hands by September next year https://i.imgur.com/jftx7BS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8mmQAcH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gHf4wJt.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6qEuknZ.jpg nice near perfect Glover clone |
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Posted: 11/16/2023 4:16:34 PM EDT
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Not my favorite paintjob I've done, but it'll work until after deer season. My khaki paint started splattering halfway through and I switched to sand which is just way too light. I then got impatient and sprayed the brown over top and I think the paint is bad as it came out almost glossy.
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Posted: 11/17/2023 3:09:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vehemence]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Three0h8: Not my favorite paintjob I've done, but it'll work until after deer season. My khaki paint started splattering halfway through and I switched to sand which is just way too light. I then got impatient and sprayed the brown over top and I think the paint is bad as it came out almost glossy. https://i.imgur.com/aED8Hue.jpg You must be seeing something in person that I can’t see in your picture because I think it looks pretty cool. Not much contrast going on there so it may not be all that effective as camo, but it looks good nonetheless. |
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Posted: 11/17/2023 5:22:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bradpierson26]
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What units used/what rifles were equipped with AAC M4-2000 suppressors?
SEALs used the AAC416-SD variant on their 10.4” 416s Those should be technically identical accept for engraving Other tips would be appreciated |
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Posted: 11/17/2023 5:43:30 PM EDT
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 Got the collar from Black Ankle Munitions. Only thing I'm waiting on for this thing to be done is the GG&G rail/sling mount so I can throw the Surefire back on. Then we're gucci. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/17/2023 8:04:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: What units used/what rifles were equipped with AAC M4-2000 suppressors? SEALs used the AAC416-SD variant on their 10.4” 416s Those should be technically identical accept for engraving Other tips would be appreciated 416sd cans also had some dimples and the serrations in a different spot. Pretty sure some M42k were on DEV guns too though. I found a picture with an SDN6 on a 10.4 DEV 416 as well. The SDN6 was a DEV can also. I'd say run the 2k on a 10.4 416 if you wanna be cloney. |
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Posted: 11/17/2023 9:47:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: 416sd cans also had some dimples and the serrations in a different spot. Pretty sure some M42k were on DEV guns too though. I found a picture with an SDN6 on a 10.4 DEV 416 as well. The SDN6 was a DEV can also. I'd say run the 2k on a 10.4 416 if you wanna be cloney. Sweet Any pics would be welcomed |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/18/2023 1:15:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HipSh0T: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HipSh0T: Originally Posted By ThatGuy01: You sure lived up to your screen name... I like it. I've always had a soft spot for those parts despite how mediocre they are. Originally Posted By Slyce: nice near perfect Glover clone |
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Posted: 11/18/2023 4:34:28 PM EDT
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/18/2023 4:54:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: Sweet Any pics would be welcomed Scroll the NSW thread and that new dev thread. Pretty sure the 2k is on those 10.5 noveske guns. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:18:42 AM EDT
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Idk where else to post this so
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:45:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:31:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brandonbeezy: Idk where else to post this so https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/517593/20231118_194735-3033809.jpg What kind of rail is that? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 12:17:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: What kind of rail is that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By Brandonbeezy: Idk where else to post this so https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/517593/20231118_194735-3033809.jpg What kind of rail is that? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 12:19:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thatARMSguy: It's a Leatherwood scope mount Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thatARMSguy: Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By Brandonbeezy: Idk where else to post this so https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/517593/20231118_194735-3033809.jpg What kind of rail is that? Neat Never seen that before |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 12:41:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Brandonbeezy]
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I like how far forward i can mount the Aimpoint.
If you run them, be sure to run a quality optic, theres no sight channel incase you brake your shit |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:37:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbutcher: Ok here it goes. I don’t want this to be more long winded than it needs to be. I’ll also preface with “this is my opinion and preference based on my experience.” The 416 (a real one, not a poser brownells with a faxon barrel) was the coolest but most hated 556 sbr I owned. Let me explain. It was very cool because of the history, the GWOT significance, and the events that the gun participated in. It’s also cool because of the engineering. If I never shot my guns, or only shot my guns a little bit, I’d still have my 416. Here’s why I don’t have it anymore: it sucked to shoot, and it sucked to maintain. My experience spanned a non vented AF (with the heavy barrel) and a vented BE (with the lighter barrel). Both with surefire cans. The AF ultimately ended up with a slash xh buffer and a law folder, putting the reciprocating buffer mass over 10oz. It still ejected at 12:30, threw brass several feet, and had very fast carrier speed. Truly ridiculously fast carrier speed. However, that wasn’t the worst part. The worst part was the truly amazing amount of gas that ended up in the shooters face. You would think the vented BE gun would be better, and lighter to boot! Well, it was lighter. Exact same experience as tbe AF, except I would use more reasonable buffer weights. Quick recap: they are absurdly overgassed. Past the point of reliability and into the realm of excessive wear. Not a problem if you are an organization with a large budget for weaponry. Big problem if you’re an individual who shoots a lot. Parts are expensive. Very expensive. And not all bad. The parts are very well made. And they need to be, because the gun beats itself to death each time you shoot it. If I could buy DI barrels made out to the 416 barrel steel and chrome lined (so literally just a 416 barrel set up for a DI gun), I would. Hodge barrels are the closest I’ve found. TL/DR: it was hard for me to justify keeping a gun that I hated to shoot, no matter how cool the history. There is some validity here. 416's were designed that way to guarantee cycling in extreme environmental conditions. KAC is similar on their MOD2 rifles. I found the vented 10.4 416's to be much easier to tame (as you noted). On a different note, HK removed the tapered bore partway through 2008. This was also the same timeframe they lightened the barrel profile as well. There are guns out there with IH date codes that have the lightweight profile, no taper, and no vent on the gas block (transition guns). Although i'd have to disagree with your statememt that they beat themselves to death as even with their heavy cycle they still last significantly longer than a DI gun. I have seen multiple broken lugs and broken receivers on 416's, but their round counts are generally astronomical with very heavy use and abuse, or the bolts were from a specific bad batch (supplier changed alloy and did not notify HK) The 416's i have will be some of the few guns i pass on to my kids. |
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